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Arturus
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  RE: Before you make any "political" statements...
February 3, 2004 05:59:34 AM     View the profile of Arturus 
As someone so nicely put it in the economist..george w bush + howard dean = mr. bean

although i must say...i think mr. bean is more intelligent than the shrub but oh well...must be the Dean influence :P
 
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  RE: Before you make any "political" statements...
February 3, 2004 06:00:29 AM     View the profile of Arturus 
oh on another note...just a little fact

The president with the lowest IQ is george bush jr.  The 2nd lowest IQ belongs to george bush sr.

For the smartest it goes Clinton, Roosevelt, Kennedy
 
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  RE: Before you make any "political" statements...
February 3, 2004 06:15:38 AM     View the profile of Hashi Shiyun 
Did someone mention.. Mr.Bean?
 
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February 3, 2004 06:18:46 AM     View the profile of Arturus 
yes :P
 
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  RE: Before you make any "political" statements...
February 3, 2004 07:37:30 AM     View the profile of Vukan 
Having an IQ doesn't mean you know how to run a country.  In fact, many people think, and I believe studies show, that the smarter members of society are also less realistic about it as well.
 
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February 3, 2004 07:38:21 AM     View the profile of Arturus 
Well that might be true but I look at the things the most intelligent 3 accomplished...cant tell me the shrubs have done better or have the capacity to do better.
 
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No...I expect to leave on some beach with absolutely no name at all while I sail away on my ship...and then Ill shout the name back to you...savvy?
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February 3, 2004 07:46:46 AM     View the profile of Vukan 
First of all, please dont call them shrubs.  And many of our first Presidents went by Republican (than called Democratic ideas).  Of course back then, Republicans and Democrats both fell under the same name, and they compeated against the Democrat-Republicans and whigs and other parties, but no history lesson needed.
 
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February 3, 2004 07:50:33 AM     View the profile of Arturus 
a bush is a shrub...therefore by the principle of a=b and b=c therefore a=c  bush is a shrub

besides...it is way more fun to call that so-called president (i prefer michael moore's labelling of him as a ficticious president) a shrub anyhow :P
 
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No...I expect to leave on some beach with absolutely no name at all while I sail away on my ship...and then Ill shout the name back to you...savvy?
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February 3, 2004 07:57:03 AM     View the profile of Vukan 
Ah, that's nice.  Well I happen to think that he has done a good jobin Iraq, and has helped bring the economy out of the slump it was in.  To explain it to you it would require lots of time and technical terms, but basically it is above average for the second year of a slump in terms of percentage return.  A normal return is about 35% in the second year, this year it was 40, which is a LOT.  Third years average is usually around 6%, but we will see how that goes.  As for the war in Iraq, he has done a great job.  No, he didnt find WMD, but that was only ONE of the many reasons for going over there.  Obviously the liberals have to go and focus on the on thing he did not accomplish over there.  His post war policy wasnt great, but nothing is perfect.  I forgot anything?  The principle difference here is a persons beliefs.  You believe in Socialism, I believe in Capitalism and thr Republican party.  This stems from a persons upbringing and how they view life.
 
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  RE: Before you make any "political" statements...
February 3, 2004 08:02:51 AM     View the profile of Arturus 
Well all those economic numbers are fine and the fact the US GDP grew by something like 8.6% in the 3rd quarter.  However there is one vital statistic...net jobs since the shrub took power...-2.7million.

Also, the Iraq war was illegal under international law, was not thought out, the reconstruction effort is disorganised and somewhat ineffective, and the US has isolated itself from the international community and cant get the support it needs to do a good job quickly.  If you call this a successful and good war...what to you is an illplanned bad war.
 
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No...I expect to leave on some beach with absolutely no name at all while I sail away on my ship...and then Ill shout the name back to you...savvy?
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February 3, 2004 08:08:29 AM     View the profile of Vukan 
Too bad about 27 other countries joined the US there if you did not notice.  And job creation has grown with the increase in economic growth, as always happens.  It is always easy to find fault with things you are against, but is that just because you are so blinded by what you want to see that you cant see some good in what it has done?  The majority of the Iraqi people are ecstatic, we changed peoples lives.  The Iraqi dinar instituted by the US government (the shrub to be specific), has gone from over 2000 to the dollar to 1250 to the dollar, which is extremely amazing.  And you talk about helpigng people, do you only want to help a certain type of people?  Because I know darn well we helped millions of Iraqi citizens.
 
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February 3, 2004 08:09:19 AM     View the profile of Vukan 
Just another thought...isn't it ironic that this topic was made so people wouldn't have heated political discusions?
 
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February 3, 2004 08:10:59 AM     View the profile of Arturus 
true...but at the same time friendly discussion is important for maintaining the strength of democracy and freedom...two things Im sure you embrace.
 
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No...I expect to leave on some beach with absolutely no name at all while I sail away on my ship...and then Ill shout the name back to you...savvy?
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February 3, 2004 08:13:05 AM     View the profile of Vukan 
Yeah, I think we should have a group hug *pulls arturus and the VE together* Ahhhhhhhhhh, much better.  Socialists and Capitalists giving each otehr hugs...only to fight a minute later :-p
 
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February 3, 2004 08:14:36 AM     View the profile of Arturus 
damn you capitalist!

/me fights the capitalist

yep you were right vukan
 
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No...I expect to leave on some beach with absolutely no name at all while I sail away on my ship...and then Ill shout the name back to you...savvy?
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February 5, 2004 03:11:30 AM     View the profile of Vukan 
w00t w00t, Capitalism prevails.  Bwahaha, I love the way it is so easy to twist people's words.  Not that it was done in any way, shape or form on this topic... :-p
 
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February 5, 2004 06:43:16 AM     View the profile of Talon 
"Just another thought...isn't it ironic that this topic was made so people wouldn't have heated political discusions?"

Go back and read what I said.
 
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February 5, 2004 07:32:50 AM     View the profile of Vukan 
Err, yeah, I didnt really read it...just skimmed through a ways, sorry.
 
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February 5, 2004 07:55:48 AM     View the profile of Talon 
Funny how that works.
 
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  RE: Before you make any "political" statements...
February 6, 2004 06:02:55 AM     View the profile of chipmunk man 
There is international law? Wow, I never knew that we had a world government. Say, do they tax us? What is it called if I violate a law? Ultra-felony? Where they based? The moon? Who runs it? The super-inteligent aliens who have humans' best intrest at heart? I think not. There is no world-wide governing body, just a bunch of pot-bellied idiots who call themselves the United Nations and are too stupid to back up their own resolutions. And so that means that there is no such thing as "international law."
 
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February 6, 2004 07:50:31 AM     View the profile of Dragoon 
Umm... arturus, I know I'm late to jump in, but you do realize that IQ tests are both a) not accurate at all and b) probably not given to everyone before they swear into public office.  That's first.

Second, I don't buy that either of the bush's showed up with low IQs.  I honestly think that that information is fabricated. 

Third, you listed Kennedy as one that had a higher IQ and stated all that he had done for our country....  I'm sorry, I think that his presedency was one that was full of contreversy and that he wasn't that great of a president, other than what he did for the minorities in this country. 


 
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February 6, 2004 06:17:44 PM     View the profile of Vukan 
I don't know much about Kennedy, but I do know that he was one of the reasons we went to the Vietnam War.  Apparently he had lots of plans that Johnson followed to take them there, the build up of armed forces and such.  So, who knows, if Kennedy had finished his Presidency what might have happened?
 
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February 7, 2004 02:55:50 AM     View the profile of Shazam 
    Well, it is truly unsafe to say what the future holds for those of us who no longer live.  But I can't say that he was the push Vietnam either, he had his own [edited] to deal with on top of everything else...

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February 7, 2004 05:00:33 AM     View the profile of Vukan 
He didn't actually make the  push into Vietnam, he meerely began plans for increasing troops inn vietnam to many times greater than they weere already.
 
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February 7, 2004 06:00:15 PM     View the profile of Chatham 
I don't know about you guys...but I think FMJR said he has his own...."[edited]" to deal with.  Btw V-NaM was like 17 years long...and it was a failure...I mean common..

[edit: Yes, he did. That's why it was edited.  -Tal]

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February 7, 2004 11:30:08 PM     View the profile of Vukan 
It only takes one push to send a boulder crasshing  down a hill.
 
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February 8, 2004 02:56:47 PM     View the profile of Sniping101 
ta-da i got bored and decided to post something political and get a fine again.

alright here we go:

First Iraq was to be politicaly correct, intellectualy and moraly. . .wrong. what right dose he have to move in on another country simply because they was making weapons of mass destruction, we have weapons of mass destruction and you dont see us caring one way or another, and what right do we have to "free" people who we dont even know care one way or another (and dont say the people wanted to be freed, because nobdy seems able to prove that, i've seen places that say they did and i've seen places that say they didnt) maybe they liked it how it was.
of course this is coming from as fury said, an Anarchist, i believeing in freedom and anarchy the only true freedom. Although at the time that wasnt what i was thinking, i thinking more like having revenge acceptable and things like that. anyway believe what you will and forget the rest.
 
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February 9, 2004 01:49:00 PM     View the profile of chipmunk man 
Um, Snipe? The difference on the WMD situation is that, uh, SADDAM ACTUALLY USED THEM, WE DON'T. And he didn't just use them in desperate defence of his nation, but AS A COWARDLY ATTACK ON CIVILIAN CITIZENS OF HIS OWN COUNTRY!
 
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February 9, 2004 02:55:35 PM     View the profile of Fury 
Ahem.

I don't know if you've ever heard of the places, but perhaps Hiroshima and Nagasaki come to mind?

NOBODY has killed more people with WMD than we have.
 
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February 10, 2004 08:15:49 AM     View the profile of chipmunk man 
Again, I bring my historian background to the table. It is the opinion of many highly respected historians that had the atomic bomb not been used on Japan, more than a million additional casualties would have resulted. Remember that the Japanese emperor told his people that should the Americans invade, the civilians were to jump off of cliffs and kill themselves before being captured. And the people believed almost blindly in him, so it is likely that they would have obeyed. Imagine that: the entire population of Japan jumping off cliffs. Not to mention the additional American casualties resulting from the tooth-and-nail defense the Japs were famous for. Stopped and prevented by the atomic bomb. Don't believe me? Watch the History Channel.

Please note: I am not in favor of indescriminate use of nuclear weapons by any side. I do believe there are extreme circumstances that warrant their use. WWII was one of those extreme situations. Saddam's attack on his own civilians was not.
 
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