Sorry about posting with my army nick again but as long as I can get everywhere I want to go with it it's all I'm going to use.

I don't know how it is in other nations but in the U.S. the marines started as a part of the navy then became thier own indepentant branch.

The marine idea doesn't entirely work on a fictional basis.

The reason the marine idea doesn't work is that the function of the VEA covers the propsed mission statement of marines so it would just be another army division that would be axed in the next round of budget cuts unless it could provide a unique and usefull function.

Nah what we need is to figure out something where we can spark some interest and keep the interest going.

There isn't really anything wrong with XvT and my biggest complaint about XWA isn't too major of a deal(the lack of ak-ak fire from ships).

I'd be much more interested in playing those games in MP if we could arrange some flight on flight combat.  With my connection it is rather questionable if I could participate in such an endevour.

Our major concern is to make people interested in devouting a few hours a week to the VE.

As such we need to figure out incentives and rewards that mean something.

Ask yourself these questions and try to answer them honestly:

Am I having fun?
If not then what would I do differently?
What are my other priorities?
How many other organizations am I in that I actually want to be in?
If I could change something about the VE as a whole what would it be?

Answer them yourself no need to post them or send them in an e-mail unless someone with some actual athourity wants the answers.

If anyone wants any further nuggets of my lackluster wisdom you know how to get a hold of me.
 
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Great Death Leader of the Fallen
The Chief Instigator of Pain and Terror
GN Daishi(2LT Kuroishi)
"Victory through terror, terror through infiltration. Redefining pain and suffering since 2000 and damn proud of it."  Fallen Angels motto.
"And the sound of many heads hitting many solid objects was heard throughout the land." me

I know i sound like a broken record but...

Gaming is not the only thing the VE is, and the problem is having SW games. we can play all these other fancy games even some other SW games but the fact remains that there hasn't been a piloting game for SW in years.
 
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Lonewolf/Polaris 2-1/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE/(=A=)(=SA=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)[SRC][VC:Ebony]

CM/DJK LoneWolf/Sith/Eagle Sect/VEDJ

"With each kill, I grow wiser, with added wisdom, I grow stronger..." -Artemis Entreri

Back when therewas an IW and I was a part of it there was something interesting that happened.

There used to be a rough equivelant to the VEA called the POD.  It worked for a while then it was decided the IW should go ahead and trim some of the dead weight off.  The flagship was destroyed(I'd hate to say it but I had wanted that to happen for some time in that era), the Planetary Operations Division was trimmed back to a single platoon on the premise that we'd fly first and do our psycho terrorist thing second.

Thus the Fallen Angels were born.

The idea only worked because everyone wanted to put forth the effort and could.

In the end it still failed because everyone stopped caring.  We could have lasted much longer if we wanted to but we didn't.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the navy as is except no one gives a damn.

My next point is how many of you are already in the army anyway?

If we want to have a thriving truely independant navy we do need people who want to devote thier time just as equally to the navy as the army.

Right now the army is sort of working(from what I can tell).

It is true the lack of a new flightsim is killing us.

In the end it is our decision not the HC's what happens next.

There are my nuggets for now.
 
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Great Death Leader of the Fallen
The Chief Instigator of Pain and Terror
GN Daishi(2LT Kuroishi)
"Victory through terror, terror through infiltration. Redefining pain and suffering since 2000 and damn proud of it."  Fallen Angels motto.
"And the sound of many heads hitting many solid objects was heard throughout the land." me

well u know

its fine to say go do something

but we need to come to a consensus as to what the hell our strategy is going to be to revive the navy

so we need to get a list of objectives and ideas and work on them

navy meeting perhaps for this?
 
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SL/ESN_Arturus/Kaph 1-1/Phoenix Wing/M-SSD_Atrus/VE/VEN/(=a=)(=sa=)(=jcpa=)(=scpa=)[MC:1][SV][BRC][LoC]

I'll be the devil's advocate as needed.

Part of our problem is communication.
Despite having IRC, e-mails, and the comnets pertenant information does not get to where it needs to go.

Because of that myself and Rielf Fury had a bit of a squable but we managed to solve it like reasonable people.

This is a problem on all levels.

What we got six different people even talking about the problems that face the navy as a whole?

If we're going to do everything we need to do we got to do a hell of a lot better then that.

I'll stand with you all and fight tooth and nail at your sides when we can come up with a winning plan.

Our problems in a brief restatement:
Lack of MP gaming
Apathy
Communication
No good over-riding story
Inititive

Some of those will be easier to solve then others but so far no one has really proposed a good idea.

The Fallen Angles worked only because they cared and wanted to devote thier time to such an endevour.  Apathy caught up to them as well.  I was thier leader so I should know what I'm talking about in that regard.
 
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Great Death Leader of the Fallen
The Chief Instigator of Pain and Terror
GN Daishi(2LT Kuroishi)
"Victory through terror, terror through infiltration. Redefining pain and suffering since 2000 and damn proud of it."  Fallen Angels motto.
"And the sound of many heads hitting many solid objects was heard throughout the land." me

A purge will rid the Navy of basicly everyone but those who have posted here. While this may, in fact, be representitve of those who are active members of the Navy, I am not sure that such a harsh purge is in order.

I do believe that there needs to be things to -do-. Gaming is basicly out of the question in my mind at this point. It has become clear that there are few or no navy oriented games out there for members of this organization to play. Those few games that are available and are also navy-oriented need contests organized for them and participation needs to be encouraged as much as possible. Exceptions should be games like Galaxies, which can only marginally be considered Navy-oriented anyway. Activity in any contests from here until the Navy reaches a more stable point should be rewarded very heavily, perhaps to the point of insanity.

What the Navy needs is a story. The story needs to involve an overall plot and be divided down on a squad-by-squad basis. Participation in the story should be mandatory to remain active unless some damn good excuses are presented. Activity in this story should be heavily rewarded and further participation should be encouraged.

If we do not do these things this arm of this organization will die. We can all see it comming. Things have been sliding downhill for a long time now and they'll have to end somewhere. Either the graph will swing back up or it will go to zero.
 
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Rear Admiral Japheth Cappadocious, Krath Priest
Captain of the mSSD Atrus
Headmaster of the Dark Jedi Order Academy
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SCAP/RAD Japheth Cappadocious/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE/(=A=)(=SA=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)(=FCO=)[BRC][LSM][MC:1][KC:OC]
HM/KPT Japheth Cappadocious/DC-3/Krath Order/Elite Griffen Sect/VEDJ/VE

hows about we make a contest where i pay the winner an ACTUAL TEN DOLLARS via paypal?
 
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Dark Jedi Knight Liquid of the Dark Jedi Order
Warrant Officer 1st Class of the Vast Empire Navy

ph34red by many

are you man enough?

Perhaps we should have the story be more critical to the navy. the only suggestion i will say that people could be written out for lack of activity. and the rewards should be just as... deserving if they succeed. just me talking out ideas. we should also include more... non fighter scenerios too. I dunno. I would be more then willing to help ppl come up with a plot to start us out though.
 
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Lonewolf/Polaris 2-1/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE/(=A=)(=SA=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)[SRC][VC:Ebony]

CM/DJK LoneWolf/Sith/Eagle Sect/VEDJ

"With each kill, I grow wiser, with added wisdom, I grow stronger..." -Artemis Entreri

it's a joke three...get over it :P
 
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Dark Jedi Knight Liquid of the Dark Jedi Order
Warrant Officer 1st Class of the Vast Empire Navy

ph34red by many

are you man enough?

I've seen the massive perge thing done before and it really didn't work out that great.  I've also seen the special ops groups that flies and fights and that wound up just being another ground pounder unit before it faded away.

To me there really isn't anything wrong with the structure of the navy.  That part does not need any major work.

What I would suggest to fix the problem of our members going out and flying like gods is to have someone put together a mission based on the fic then have them fly it and see ho long they last.  Or we could have writting workshops were our better writters help those who need it.

IC's are not much of a reward or punishment to me and I don't think they'll be much different to a newbie fresh off the zone either.

There is my nugget of wisdom for now.
 
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Kuroishi Wraith VEA
Daishi Raptor VEN
Assistant Writer Why Project Copyright Infringment
Ich bin hessliche amerikaner.
Nahmen mir to dein frauen von vernunftig preis tugendhafte.
"And the sound of many heads hitting many solid objects was heard throughout the land." me

maybe the idea of a meeting isn't out of order. It wouldn't have to be anything big, just a place whre we could all come up with some arcing story for the Navy. This way we could take the weight off of 3's back, while still being able to get a good story together that isn't completly one sided. My key points for ths story would be to remember that we have wings of NPCs on ISDs. I think it would be cool if we took out a smaller cap ship, and just foughtke guerilla warfare against the NR. Becasue we would never be in one spot very long we wouldn't have the "kill a million people syndrome. Also, we could use this as our purge, because we wouldn't habve the invincibility problem either then. Just my 2 cents


Former WO2 g5

How bout that report, Art?

 
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LCM_FL_ JMac/Kaph 3-1/(=A=)(=SA=)(=MA)(=FOCE=)(MC1)

It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden... It's our job to arrange the meeting -USMC

Semper Fidelis

Lusthawk 12

S'ok, I'll just write a new one.
 
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LCM_FL_ JMac/Kaph 3-1/(=A=)(=SA=)(=MA)(=FOCE=)(MC1)

It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden... It's our job to arrange the meeting -USMC

Semper Fidelis

Lusthawk 12

And these are the peole who want to save the navy?

We barely have a post a day on average on something of this importance.

Well I guess since midterms are here for those of us who have school of one type or another that can explain a bit of it.

Though really, if the navy needs to be dramaticlly changed how are we going to do it if no one is doing anything about it?

If we go with the idea of making a subdivision of the army we all just may as well transfer to the army and make a character note that we can also fly starfighters and be done with it.

That's what's happened to every instance of any such unit in an org that I am aware of(four units in two orgs).

I still say other then a lack of a hot new MP flight sim to draw members to the navy there isn't anything wrong with the navy as is.

Make sure in your efforts to save something that you don't kill it in the proccess.

There's some food for thought for the lot of you.  Show me a plan that is worthwhile and will keep the navy alive as it's own independant division and I'll back it.  So far no one has shown me didly squat.

I may even settle for a plan that doesn't follow a strikingly familiar pattern.
 
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Kuroishi Wraith VEA
Daishi Raptor VEN
Assistant Writer Why Project Copyright Infringment
Ich bin hessliche amerikaner.
Nahmen mir to dein frauen von vernunftig preis tugendhafte.
"And the sound of many heads hitting many solid objects was heard throughout the land." me

This is very similar to the situation the VEN was in when I joined it over two years ago.  And you're right, it's not the NHC that's going to save it, it's the members.  That's the way it always has to be, the High Command can propose all that they want, but if the members don't do it, it will die.  So, go do something about it.
 
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SSGT Dragoon
Roses are Red
And Ready for Plucking
You're Sixteen
And Ready for High School