Liquid
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 19, 2003
8:56:14 PM
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/me points to the storynet
i've had one up for a while..... (actually me and JMac)
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Dark Jedi Knight Liquid of the Dark Jedi Order
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are you man enough?
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 20, 2003
11:20:14 AM
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I'm game. We'd better have more of an impact then the story that Liquid and I tried, though, because a complete lack of response is kinda disheartening. -----------------------
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 20, 2003
2:15:42 PM
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without putting too fine of a point, i never even knew you guys were up to something. Heck i dont think anyone did? wheres the publicity? Well if u guys wanna try a new one let me in on it if u dont mind? -----------------------
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 20, 2003
10:55:39 PM
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Once again one of our main problems strikes down another attempt at activity.
I'll say it again, we have a huge problem communicating in the VE, the VEN in particular.
No one really knows who is doing what, who is where on what project, or what we are supposed to accomplish when we do get around to doing something.
I realize there are certain things the higher ups would like to suprise us with but ince in a while an idea of what is up everyone's sleve does prove to be quite fruitfull.
In every RPG book I've read where it gives advice on running a game one of the first things they talk about is giving the players enough information but not too much. Suprises are good but they should not be the order of the day.
This does not apply to just the higher ups. Everyone needs to do a bit better of a job communicating what they are up to to every one else. Just reporting in to your SL actually is not enough.
Another idea I have that may work is something I'm thinking of putting together for the army. We have a lot of competitions where the squads try and compete with each other. Instead why not have a comp that emphasises on the squads working together?
This is tough enough in the VEA and would be more so in the VEN but it could quite easily prove to be what we need to get some ideas going.
Perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself, after all we'd probably have a lot more success getting activity back up if we focus our energies on one problem at a time. -----------------------
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 21, 2003
3:18:00 PM
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I see that people are just as worried about the situation concerning the VEN as I am. And I beleive it would be great if we had a story. But that doesn't draw crowds like it used to.
And I agree, comunication is one of the things that should be fixed. However, even if we were to come up with a way to spread information faster, I'm not sure there would be any real difference. Often times, people are just lazy and don't bother to check the comnet. And others who want to get involved, are not sure were to look. So maybe we should make our directories more clear.
And a team idea sounds great... But I'm not sure it would work. I have a lot of experience with such things, and they always end up bad... But then again, this is an entire new frontier. It may be worth a try.
But as was mentioned I beleive earlier, no one knows what wrong where... And using the CoC will not solve all the problems. So, I say we compile a list of the large problems, and the itty bitty problems... Sometimes all we need to do, is identify the problems before we can try to fix them.
Many have already been identified, such as those of which involve member activity. Never the less, a list is necessary.
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 21, 2003
5:28:04 PM
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I had to go back to the second page to get this but that's nothing major.
These are the major problems that need to be fixed as I see it.
Our problems in a brief restatement:
Lack of MP gaming
Apathy
Communication
No good over-riding story
Inititive
Our problem with communication isn't speed, the problem is it does not happen very often. We already have the comnet, IRC, ICQ, AIM, YM, adozen others, and e-mail. Yet very rarely does any one even use one of those to let people know what is going on. I can count on one hand the times I've seen major items of note spread by even one of those methods.
Of course it is also a monumental event if I manage to show up for a meeting.
Apathy is a far more complex problem and I'd have to give it a lot of thought before I can really come up with something that would help solve that situation. Even if the store, casino and stock market are brought back on line IC's are not going to be much of a reward/punishment to most of the new blood we're going to be able to bring in. Heck even when we had such things I didn't care about IC's, still don't matter to me.
Lack of MP gaming is another muddied issue. There hasn't been any hot new flight sims but what is wrong with dusting off the still rather good ones you already have?
Give me some ideas and I might even come out of retirement as a mission maker for XvT and XWA again. I can do TIE as well but that seems a bit pointless to me if you also have XvT and/or XWA.
A good overiding story is easy enough to accomplish once we solve the communication and apathy problems.
Few people are showing any personal inititive. We don't have to wait for the higher ups to come up with some half baked scheme for something for us to do. We have a stake in this too. Without those who pay for the site we'd have no organization and without us they'd have no mindless minions.
Why do we have to change what the navy is?
Again I'm going to state that I think becoming a star fighter piloting unit that also does ground pounder work is a bad idea.
I seriously have, without inflating numbers, seen four units in two different orgs go that way and all fail. -----------------------
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 21, 2003
7:26:10 PM
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Alrighty... We've got a whole crap load of problems correct? I have an equation. Look into it...
Understand, Plan, Solve, Lookback... Think about it guys... If people have failed before, don't be afraid to try other things, or learn from their mistakes. This isn't any "clan..." On the contrary, this is a group, a community, we are our own. We are the Vast Empire...
No matter how reassuring mine or any others can be though, there are risk. The fact that people have seen done by others... "Fail" that is... Is just what it is. We are not that... We are different. That's because we know that these clubs are about....
Fun. Fun... We don't try to make it anything more or less. We ask that you report in, try to stay active, play some games with us if you can. Not a big deal. We arn't going to fold like paper. The book isn't going to close, and the story will not be over.
Great, we've gotten through step one. Understand... So, let's move to the next one. Plan. What can we do to make our activities more fun? Why have IC's? They are fun if you know how to make them that way. Other wise they're pretty much useless... Are they not?
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 22, 2003
10:04:18 AM
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Looks like I've managed to chase off everyone but Shazam.
Everything has been following a pattern I am very familiar with.
It has just taken longer because there are more people here.
I tried warning people before it was too late but all that sparked was a fight between myself and those that I warned.
We still have a chance to avoid the fate that I see coming but we need far more than what has been put forth so far in terms of support.
So far the only idea that I have seen presented to try and get the VEN out this rut we're in is to turn it into something that sounds good on the surface but is very likely to fail. Who knows I could be proven wrong.
If this is all the support/effort that the VEN is going to get then we may as well give up now.
This topic has degenerated to myself trying to poke holes in people's plans to get them to think about them more and Shazam putting up a noble effort to get people to think about our problems.
I try and do my best once in a while to try and rally the troops of the VEN to make an effort to be the best division in the VEN possible. This time it seems I have become more of a source of discouragement instead.
I can live with that.
I'll wrap this ramble up now so you all can get on with your lives. -----------------------
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 22, 2003
2:05:45 PM
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I don't feel noble, much less am... But I, as a part of the VEN, must try to encourage the survival of the VEN. I will not let us fail. Even if I have to carry you on my shoulders, this group will not fail, and it will not fall. |
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 22, 2003
2:20:48 PM
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chase everyone off, no. make people begin to ignore you, possibly. I dont wanna sound sour but it doest seem right if you posting here in a army nick, it's like kicking dirt in our faces. I'm tired of discussing things too. If anyone is going to post anything productive they will post a solution not cheers of pride or compliments or burns. That is what i hope why ppl stop posting... we all got our dreams.
i will type out my brief idea for a navy story and email it to anyone who wants to hear, and help or give their own ideas. I plan to be more active now.
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 22, 2003
2:44:08 PM
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I agree with LW completly... We've argued this point to death... And I also just so happen to beleive that pride is a gret wy to rally up succes. It may become easierto come up with ideas... Also, i'm interested in those stories.... You can send me some at [email protected] . Anyways... anyone else wants to send somethin send it to me or post it on VEN subject...
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 23, 2003
8:49:06 AM
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Well now if you want me to actually argue with people instead of trying to provoke some thought I'll go ahead and do that instead.
As for posting with an army nick here, I'll keep doing it as long as I can get to every comnet I need to get to with one log in. It isn't meant to show off any army superiority. If I could get on to the VEA comnets I need to with my navy nick I'd use that one instead and the situation would be reversed.
Ignore me all you like. I'm quite likely percieved as an infalable arrogant batard by now any way. Though despite that I'm not always right and sometimes I actually do give some good advice.
We don't need to argue what to do we need to decide what to do. There are maybe a dozen active members in the VEN. Four have been posting on this topic in recent times. I had hoped to provoke a few more people into at least spitting out more ideas but it seems I failed in that.
Do I hope I've changed a few perceptions of myself? Hell no. Despite popular opinion I am not that much of an ego maniac.
I guess all that is left for me is to give up and stop caring because those who seemed like they did have stopped as well.
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 23, 2003
7:18:14 PM
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I'm sure everyone appreciates your concern, but I think we'll be ok. And I'm certainly not fighting with you. So, let it be known... (This is to end the post...) The VEN has some problems. But the fact that some of us are trying, will hold true. Even the least amount of people can make a differance. Don't forget that. |
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RE: Naval Report - Sep 14th 2003
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October 24, 2003
5:15:07 AM
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Agreed. I'm going to be posting the intro and orders for a story either today or Monday. All who read this, please, please participate. -----------------------
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