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33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 16, 2007
6:26:27 PM
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A horrific tragedy. My prayers go out to all of the familes that have been affected.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 16, 2007
8:29:40 PM
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Amen to that. ----------------------- TRP/PFC Sayah/1SQD/2 PLT/1 COM/1 RGT/1BAT/Tadath/VEA
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
12:06:55 AM
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So, which video game gets the blame this time? ----------------------- XO/MAJ Merrick/VEA/TADATH/VE [CotE][SoA][CoH]
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
12:24:31 AM
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Probably GTA, depends on the eye-witness accounts. That said, it is close enough to DC and conservative bastions like Robertson and Falwell's schools that it will get that kind of play.
And then will come the counter-arguments that no one should own a gun.
The White House press secretary already got into a tizzy today about unequivocally supporting gun owners as long as they obey the law, and honestly, given things in Iraq, I totally expect someone to blame "Hollywood" and game designers to take the heat off.
Nice to know you can't simply mourn the dead without making sick political points off of it. ----------------------- PRF/GG Fury/VEA/TADATH/VE [MoHx2][SCPx2][PoC][SotE:HC][SotE:VEA][SCP][MSM][IOC]
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
6:10:39 AM
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I pray for all who lost loved ones, and that something like this never happens again. ----------------------- ~ Sol Larith
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
11:57:08 AM
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You forgot one, Fury, how this tragedy is directly caused by the lack of prayer in schools and God's punishment against gays/feminists/liberals/you/me/everybody and his brother.
When the fact that people overlook is that college campuses are just as secure as they were when I went to school 17 years ago.
When the big story was the serial killer at the University of Florida....
And, yeah, it's disgusting how the politicos and the Fred Phelps of the world just have no (expletive) respect for the dead....
Makes me ashamed of my own people sometimes, cos I know we're better than this.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
12:32:57 AM
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You do have a point Evil Clown. This would not happen at Bob Jones University because a Korean student would not be allowed to date someone not his race in the first place.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
1:26:43 PM
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This is really quite simple. This world is home to some really sick bastards; some who feel the need to make upwards of two dozen people share their 'pain'. People who feel that murder, suicide, and the blackness that is death are a solution to absolutely unparalleled personal problems.
That is the only reason those students lost their lives, and for not a damn thing but the products of insanity.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
1:52:02 PM
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No, Fury, Bob Jones University would just send their psychopaths to Operation Rescue instead....
My point, Jak, isn't that this happened because he was a sick SOB.
That goes without saying.
My point is that officials had red flags left and right(he was sent to counselling for his efforts at creative writing, reported to security for stalking women and torching his dorm room)and this seemed to be ignored.
Add this to the fact that he was allowed to roam free for two hours after the first shooting without anyone securing the campus, putting men out to look for him, covering all bases, basic police work in general.
Short form: How much tuition and grant money is 33 lives worth?
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
5:25:18 PM
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
6:29:13 PM
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The main problem is what we have seemingly universally agreed upon as the proper college experience.
- You get to run away from home and the only structure you ever knew and have hopefully found ways of growing up and adapting for it.
- You have trained university staff to help you with the transition, but it is mostly on you to take advantage of it.
- You have a weapons-free zone and, depending wildly on the campus, varying levels of campus security detailed to protect you from outside elements.
- Add to this the pressure of coursework, social interaction, access to drugs, alcohol, and random sex undreamed under mom and dad's roof and you could conceivably have a messed up kid who didn't quite fit in.
I'm not blaming society or the campus cops or the university, or even society in general. I'm just saying, before people start casting blame, let's at least take a look at the environment this happened in.
To me, it is the risk we take to have the open educational system we currently have.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
6:36:49 PM
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The world is too much with us; late and soon,
Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;
Little we see in Nature that is ours;
We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon!
This Sea that bares her bosom to the moon,
The winds that will be howling at all hours,
And are up-gathered now like sleeping flowers,
For this, for everything, we are out of tune;
It moves us not.--Great God! I'd rather be
A Pagan suckled in a creed outworn; (1)
So might I, standing on this pleasant lea, (2)
Have glimpses that would make me less forlorn;
Have sight of Proteus (3) rising from the sea;
Or hear old Triton (4) blow his wreathed horn.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
7:52:06 PM
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God, don't even talk about that kind happening at Bob Jones. We would be in an uproar, and every college in SC would be on lockdown.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 17, 2007
9:12:18 PM
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Honestly, as long as they don't start say he was a bullying victim and that peer teasing caused it, I'm fine. I think the police and the college administration handled the situation well and the only reason people got hurt, was because the psychopath was determined to kill. You can't stop determination. ----------------------- [-=Venom Squadron=-]
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 18, 2007
1:59:04 PM
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Well said, Fury.
Even though I must add a kid doesn't have to leave mom and dad's roof to have wild, rampantly random sex anymore. ----------------------- [-=Nazgul Squadron=-]
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I'll dance in their faces when the guitar sounds.
Won't be long, I won't be gone.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 18, 2007
9:06:15 PM
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supposedly the kid was seeing a therapist, I think someone should get fired or re-evaluated. ----------------------- Raiders
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 18, 2007
11:10:52 PM
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Sorry but no amount of bullying can produce that in a normal person. Plenty of people grow up with tough lives, and most of them get the hell over it and make something of themselves. The same goes with video games, movies, etc.
It truly sickens me that they continue to use these kinds of tragedies to get more/less guns or security or bans on things that normal people wouldn't be offended or encouraged by. Hell, it's not even just unruly college kids. When a primary schooler walks in with daddy's gun and blows his 6 and 7 year old friends away, someone has to realise there's much more wrong with him than a little teasing or too many video games.
The gun debate shouldn't be about the right to own arms though. The point of it is that you shouldn't feel the need to, and that's where the police, govt, everyone is failling.
Over here not so long ago, a little girl (6) was forced to write an official apology to a friend she hugged. For assaulting her... It was a hug between friends for her birthday, ffs.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 19, 2007
12:02:42 AM
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The gun debate shouldn't be about the right to own arms though. The point of it is that you shouldn't feel the need to, and that's where the police, govt, everyone is failling.
Silly foreigner. You obviously do not understand America.
We have one party completely devoted into telling you that owning weapons means you can take the law into your own hands for almost any reason. Said party is also guided by a principle of resisting any form of law and order that you are not directly in charge of. As if a hunting rifle can overthrow a force armed with Tomahawk missiles and tanks. But I digress....
The other party in charge is devoted into making you feel as if you could hand over even basic logical decisions to government rule, regardless of whether one should possibly keep some choices personal options and to hell with the "greater good."
You see, Americans aren't comfortable thinking logically or just thinking period. And to compromise and handle issues in an adult, calm manner with open discussion and respect for other opinions, well, that's just crazy talk.
Sure, this kid had obvious mental issues that weren't properly getting dealt with, but it is soooooooo much easier to blame a gun culture or a permissive gun-free university environment, depending on your highly marginalized political opinions you learned from talk radio.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 19, 2007
3:08:20 PM
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/me collects the two cents
and I really hate the NRA's response of if everyone had guns this wouldn't happen. I hope the president of the NRA gets shot. ----------------------- Raiders
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 19, 2007
4:46:21 PM
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Arrogant American.
Who said I was only talking about the US? We have stricter gun laws than you. ----------------------- XO/MAJ Merrick/VEA/TADATH/VE [CotE][SoA][CoH]
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 19, 2007
6:07:52 PM
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First - My prayers to those who lost loved ones or were caused any grief by this tragedy.
Now:
I'm thinking along the same lines as Merrick. If you have to have a gun in your house/on your person, the government and/or police are not doing their jobs as best as possible. They should at least make you feel safe enough to not need to carry a weapon out of fear of being shot, rather than you having to rely on the fact that you have a Magnum stashed under the seat of your car/truck/van. ----------------------- SC/WO2/Trevor Evenson/Nazgul 1(1-1)/Wing 1/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE/(=*A*=)(=*SA*=)[VC:B][LSM][BRC][SWC][GWC]
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 21, 2007
1:33:50 PM
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What is happening all over the media seems to be happening here: this tragedy is being turned into an excuse for anti-gun activists to go overboard and start suggesting irrational solutions to problems such as these, involving the banning of weapons and such. My point is if you have a madman determined enough, no amount of legislature can stop him from acquiring weapons and killing someone. And the idea behind owning a firearm, for many people (including my family) is not because we feel that the police can't protect us or we feel insecure, it's for either to just have one or for sporting purposes (I like to hunt.) If you want to own a gun, you don't need any real reason at all, and everyone should have the right to own said weapon if they wish. You can't blame the gun for firing itself.... ----------------------- ~ Sol Larith
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 21, 2007
7:20:29 PM
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"Guns don't kill people, but they certainly help."-Eddie Izzard
Honestly, why don't we (in Amerika) institute pyschological profiles of people wanting to buy guns? Am I the only person that thinks that this may just slightly curve the number of school shootings and violent crimes in general? Or am I just crazy for thinking that limiting the amount of weapons in the market would stop the amount of people being shot? I dunno. Maybe I'm just a little crazy.
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 21, 2007
8:19:01 PM
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That would decrease the amount being bought, but that would make the peole impatient. And would probably help them to think up other ways of killing. ----------------------- TRP/LCPL Luckystar/1SQD/2PLT/1COMP/1BAT/1RGT/ Tadath/VEAVE
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 21, 2007
8:26:10 PM
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You tell me: does the gun have to have its trigger pulled to fire? The answer is yes, and it is the person who is pulling said trigger who is responsible for that action. You can't blame the gun for doing what it was designed to do: fire a projectile. It's the human who decides what that projectile is shot at. ----------------------- ~ Sol Larith
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 21, 2007
8:33:10 PM
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yeah but its so much easier to shoot someone then it is to stab them. When you shoot someone its just so quick when you stab them you have to be close; feel their breath, most likely look into their eyes as the life drains out of them. It's much more intense on top of that there's also a higher likelihood of leaving something for a forensic team to dig up; blood, hair, dangly bits, or something else they may use. ----------------------- Raiders
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 21, 2007
8:40:16 PM
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I think they invented the gun to kill things easier.... ----------------------- ~ Sol Larith
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 21, 2007
8:43:01 PM
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If said gun was all that much harder to get, odds are the trigger wouldn't be pulled at all
I'm not nessicairly against guns (ok, those who know me know that I am except under specific conditions and circumstances). I do think that the rules for buying said weaponry should be a little bit better thought out. Knowing that some idiot (for lack of better term) can walk into the local gun shop and collect what he needs, in most places without hardly any checks. Sure, it is the person who's at fault when someone gets shot, not the gun. I acknowledge this. But to make the gun harder to possess might make it a bit harder for said idiot to obtain a gun.
Meh. I just think things could be tightened up a bit. ----------------------- SC/WO2/Trevor Evenson/Nazgul 1(1-1)/Wing 1/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE/(=*A*=)(=*SA*=)[VC:B][LSM][BRC][SWC][GWC]
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 21, 2007
8:52:23 PM
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with my argument I was saying that if it wasnt so easy to kill people less people would die (something to do with a lazy society jk) but imagine a school "shooting" with a knife there would be less deaths and people are more likely to stand up to a knife rather then a gun. ----------------------- Raiders
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RE: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
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April 21, 2007
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Honestly, I don't think handguns should be illegal. Yet the restrictions should be waaaay tighter. And a psychologic profile would restrict it, yes? (This is based on the theory that criminals who kill people are insane,in a way).
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