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Wiki Update|Ranks!
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March 5, 2007
7:57:42 PM
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You may have noticed a new category under the Navy Wiki, Ranks. Under ranks is Admirals, Commodores and Captains, Commanders, Lieutenants, Warrant Officers, Petty Officers, and Crewmen. In each of these is a category for every Naval Rank.
In addition, under each of your profiles(and you should all have a profile now) is the code [[Category:Your Rank]] with your current rank substituting the second part of the code, of course.
This code lists you in the category for your rank while still listing you in the NavyMembers Category.
I'm telling you all this so that when you are promoted and go to edit your wiki, you can also edit this category to place you in the right Rank set.
Thank you. ----------------------- [-=Nazgul Squadron=-]
FM/PO1 Raigen DarkBlayde Tei-Yehn/Nazgul Squadron 2-8/Phoenix Wing/mSSD Atrus/1VENF DEF/VEN/VE(=*A*=)[VC:B][BWC]
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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March 7, 2007
4:01:25 PM
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Well done, Raigen. ----------------------- *Flash Was Here...*
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Raigen
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 3, 2007
3:47:39 PM
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Just a reminder that the Rank board/medal board needs to be updated. Either we can have someone do it each month or it can be done as people are promoted. I will do it this month.
We can:
1. Have a position in the Navy that deals with wiki updates and have them do this.
2. Hold each person responsible(as in we aren't going to do it for you) for updating this.
3. Have one person do this as a commissioned job, ex: 1k ICs a month.
4. Have each squadron deal with their own promotion and medal updates and the squadron commander can assign someone to do it from there.
Honestly, I like the idea of new jobs in the VE that won't necessarily take away from story posting. People will be willing to do this because of the respect that taking on extra positions brings. Pay can also influence people to do this.
I don't think I every really gave a valid reason for making my rank/medal boards. Here it is:
The rank board separates the VEN up into groups based on ranks. This separation strengthens camaraderie between groups of ranks such as lieutenants and crewman and petty officers and warrant officers. Kind of like squadron pride only, it is rank pride. This also lets us see how many people are at each rank. Like research, or a sociological study of the VEN. And, let's face it...we'd like to see how many people we outrank. Point is, this isn't a pointless page. We can put it to use.
The medal board was already integrated into the navy medal pages, I simply made it into a table and set it apart so that it wasn't in the way of information about those medals. ----------------------- [Red Dragon Order]
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 4, 2007
4:04:56 PM
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Excellent work, Raigen- really, very well done. And I've thought about that, except that I was thinking of giving the position to you considering you have such an affinity for it. Seeings how you seem to intend it for someone else for whatever reason- I'd like to integrate it into squadron responsibilities. Hrm- much to think about... You'll see more from me on it eventually.
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*Flash Was Here...*
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 7, 2007
5:17:53 PM
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Why not have a set off from the VEN that handles information and administration. They can update wiki and handle promotion and medal orders. Much simpler than waiting for someone with access to the roster do it. I have a plan for it in mind, as well.
Imperial Customs Corvette Tracer
SCAP :
ShXO :
Naval Administration Squadron
Webpage: none
Equipment: none
Motto: Bureaucracy means, we'll file your trash.
Administration Flight: Wiki and Roster Updates as well as general announcements :
Squadron Commander :
Flight Member :
Flight Member :
Flight Member :
Promotion/Pay Flight : Promotion orders, promotion recommendations, Fleet Rank Board, and other rank related activities :
Squadron Executive Officer :
Flight Member :
Flight Member :
Flight Member :
Awards and Commendation Flight : Medal orders, Fleet Medal Board, and other award related activities :
Flight Leader :
Flight Member :
Flight Member :
Flight Member :
This opens up the option of small stories within this Squadron. This ship can also be used as a diplomatic vessel, a transport, and a basic ship that gets caught up in dangerous situations. These stories will be less frequent than other squadrons.
Members of this Squadron can be reserve members or members of squadrons who have enough time to play a second character within this squadron. ----------------------- [Red Dragon Order]
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 7, 2007
5:25:07 PM
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Sorry but I can't see sub-dividing the navy even more. I think it would be better just to give pilots secondary positions as administrators. ----------------------- Pilot Proficiencies:Weapons Proficiencies:
Leadership Skills:ReconnaissanceNoviceEscortNoviceInfiltrationVeteranSpace BombardierNoviceGround SupportVeteranDogfightVeteranElementalAceSmall ArmsModerate ProficiencyHeavy WeaponryIneptExplosivesLimited ProficiencyMeleeLimited ProficiencyHand-to-HandTraineeAuthorityModerateTactical SkillsModerateStrategic SkillsStrong
Diplomatic SkillsCourteousDecisivenessModerateInspirationUninspiring
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 7, 2007
5:27:12 PM
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...That's what I meant. But have it organized as well. ----------------------- [-=Nazgul Squadron=-]
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 7, 2007
5:33:03 PM
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I was essentially saying throw the ship and story ideas out the window. If you want organization then I say have a part-time job created as Chief Administrative Officer and have 3-4 administrators dealing with the wiki. I guess technically I could organize it given my adjutant/assistant/advisor position with Shaz. I'll talk to him next time he is on. ----------------------- Pilot Proficiencies:Weapons Proficiencies:
Leadership Skills:ReconnaissanceNoviceEscortNoviceInfiltrationVeteranSpace BombardierNoviceGround SupportVeteranDogfightVeteranElementalAceSmall ArmsModerate ProficiencyHeavy WeaponryIneptExplosivesLimited ProficiencyMeleeLimited ProficiencyHand-to-HandTraineeAuthorityModerateTactical SkillsModerateStrategic SkillsStrong
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 7, 2007
6:00:52 PM
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*Meh*
I think making it a monthly process would be better- assign each group their own responsibilities and have them split it up amongst themselves. This way there are always things that can be passed between members of the group- always someone asking what they can do: do this  Not to mention, if someone were assigned the wiki and only that- they wouldn't always have a job. Helping people set up their wikis is 24/7 (academy position), but adjusting the fleet metal board or the ranks- that doesn't happen everyday. That can be tied in fairly easilly with the stories of the past- there are only so many and people will only be able to put the summaries of new stories up after they've been completed, which is one every two months or so. ----------------------- *Flash Was Here...*
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 7, 2007
8:19:30 PM
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Well, General wiki editing and correcting can't be a whole job. But assign these people to the roster, and give them access to rank and medal orders. Then you have yourself a working part time group that can make the VE run smoother. I'll offer to head up the group, or at least work within it. All I am saying is that we can streamline the VE with this and it won't take away from story posts. I am somewhat committed to this idea and I think, with some effort, it can be perfected.
The ship story, that can be thrown out. But it was worth a try. The large squadron type, that too can be replaced with by a "detachment" as we call them. This detachment would essentially hold the same jobs as they normally do and simply work in administration on the side. Each member contributing. The possibilities are endless, I'm just naming a few.
I think refining the idea before judging it would work better than simply pushing it aside. Besides, Squadrons are having enough trouble as it is. It would be better to rely on more active members with squadrons being a fall back.
Remember, this also gives members a chance to prove themselves and be more than just a pilot in the VEN. ----------------------- [-=Nazgul Squadron=-]
FM/CRW Casca "Black Curse" Phennir/Nazgul Squadron 2-7/Phoenix Wing/mSSD Atrus/1VENF OFF/VEN/VE(=*A*=)[VC:B][BWC]
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Raigen
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 7, 2007
8:44:11 PM
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Naval Administration Detachment
Webpage: none
Equipment: none
Motto: Bureaucracy means, we'll file your trash.
Administrations Commander :
Administrations Executive Officer :
Administrations Officer :
Administrations Officer :
AC
AXO
AO
These prefixes would precede the squadron positions in the id line.
AO's would report to both the AXO and AC each month and their basic job would be editing wiki for errors, summarizing stories, formating wiki, embedding images and layouts into wiki, processing promotions and passing them on to the AXO and AC immediatly, processing medals and awards, counting story posts and editing career story posts, issuing the writing commendation awards once a member has attained the required posts, editing and formating the rank and medal boards, editing roster and all wiki pages to keep ranks and id lines up to date, and issuing reports of promotions and awards to the entire navy, montly.
The AXO and AC would recieve promotion orders and clear them with commanders as well as clearing award issuance for the more prestigious awards. The AXO would recieve reports from the AO's and summarize them for the AO would would then pass the information on to the Wing Commander/Wing Adjutant each week.
The AXO is also acting AC in the AC's absence.
Example
and I'll use an NCO for an example of an AC
AC FL/MCPO firstname lastname/Generic Squadron/Broken Wing/ISD Destroyer/OFF/VEN/VE
that simple, no confusion. Now for pay.
AC - 5000
AXO - 3500
AO - 2500
Pretty low, considering what trainers make. Anyway, I think its fair. If we can get some people who update wiki frequently,(Tomas, looking at you here!) we can get this started before the next meeting.
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WC/SMar Raigen DarkBlayde Tei-Yehn/Alpha Flight/Raptor Squadron/Ace Wing/KBcC Helsa/Guardian Fleet/Navy/RDA(O)
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 7, 2007
9:56:16 PM
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I will absolutely not be handing out roster access like that. Roster access will remain just as strict as it is right now. End of story as far as that is concerned.
As far as creating entire new branches of the Navy just for handling paperwork, its not necissary. Virtually every duty I've heard discussed can trivially be rolled into some other position, and we're not going to needlessly clutter the chain of command or the roster or anything else to add such positions in.
Edit: I'm currently in finals week, but once this is over I plan to begin taking a much more active roll in the VE again. To that end I cannot see the need to have people 'process' promotions or medals or anything of the sort. The reward process is painfully simple and does no require any further complication. Squadron commander (and even flight leaders, or heck almost anyone) simply has to request promotions for people under their command (or medals or something for someone they think deserves it). Then, someone up the chain of command with the requisite authority (typically Shazam or me) review that application and approve or deny it (I think I have only every denied a rare few anythings to anyone - mostly highly unreasonable rewards).
What further processing is required? Why do we need to complicate the process further? As far as wikis and whatnot go, I consider it the responsibility of each member to keep their own wiki information up to date, or find someone to do so for them if they don't know how.
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 8, 2007
4:03:38 PM
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Others may put in their ideas as well, so far only Japheth, Shazam, Arturus, and I have posted here.
Japheth: No argument, roster was a bad idea, as was a separate division of the navy. But let's not kill the idea all at once. Wiki seems to provide plenty of oppurtunities to this idea, let's just see if we can tie it to some processes that take a bit long to finish.
Also, I'd like to see the group check id line's for accuracy. I see that no two id lines follow the same pattern.
LsM's should be rewarded upon meeting the requirments, and since some may not know they qualify for it, a group that finds and keeps track of this information will be useful.
http://comnet.imperialnetwork.com/topic/7272/
Two to Three months go by without posts being counted.
http://comnet.imperialnetwork.com/topic/7069/
Competitions must be made to promote wiki updating.
http://comnet.imperialnetwork.com/topic/7974/
Self explanatory.
http://comnet.imperialnetwork.com/topic/7235/
http://comnet.imperialnetwork.com/topic/7957/
http://comnet.imperialnetwork.com/topic/7906/
http://comnet.imperialnetwork.com/topic/7665/
It's not that I think that the navy can't function without this, I just think we should consider the option, refine it, and see if it is something we can all agree on and could benefit the navy in the future. And honestly, what harm could it bring?
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Arturus
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 9, 2007
8:22:49 PM
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You know Raigen, I can think of a group of people perfectly suited to doing all of this. Squadron Commanders and their deputies.
With command comes some administration duties. These should be part of that. And I am with Heth, giving out roster access is a very bad idea.
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 11, 2007
11:09:59 AM
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/me pops out of no where to deliver his thoughts.
It's all useless, trivial stuff. Wiki is just a helpful information source. I doubt it was ever designed to become this huge thing some people are making it to be.
Also, this "group" thing is worthless. Why give out random extra "jobs" and "tasks" to a group of people that can easily be done by the squadron commanders and even the XOs. It's pointless and just extends out trivial "powers" to people that should just be consentrating on being active in their squadrons and not having to worry about updating the wiki, counting posts, making sure people's ID lines are correct. None of that is what the VE is about. It's about having fun in a community setting and playing online games and writing. All this other stuff is just useless.
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Senior Chief Petty Officer Hunter
FM/SCPO Hunter/Nazgul 6/Pheonix Wing/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE (=*A*=) (=*SA*=) (VC:B)
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 11, 2007
2:04:49 PM
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/me points to what Hunter said
Now that makes sense. ----------------------- ~ Sol Larith
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 11, 2007
2:53:00 PM
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I know when to give in...I'll work on other ideas for the moment. ----------------------- [-=Nazgul Squadron=-]
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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May 14, 2007
6:35:06 PM
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Obviously the wiki has more worth than many besides myself originally put into it, but I simply disagree with creating more jobs that are bound to get lost or misplaced. I think that squadron infrastructure should deal with it as a monthly check-up, and that would eliminate the need for these people to 'update.' ----------------------- *Flash Was Here...*
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RE: Wiki Update|Ranks!
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August 14, 2007
10:14:32 AM
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Fleet Rank Board Updated!
[-=Nazgul Squadron=-]FM/CPO Casca/Nazgul 11/Phoenix Wing/mSSD Atrus/1FL/VEN/VE(=*A*=)(=*SA*=)[VC:B][SWC][BRC]
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