WMD, what's that?
 
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DarkDragoons

TRP/PFC Jennabelle/2SQD/2PLT/1COM/1RGT/1BAT/VEA/VE/Tadath

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. " -Darth Vader

The UN, by the way, would never be wrong about the WMD, only the US, the liars!
 
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DarkDragoons

TRP/PFC Jennabelle/2SQD/2PLT/1COM/1RGT/1BAT/VEA/VE/Tadath

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. " -Darth Vader

oh I'm sure the government lied many times Hunter, not necessarily about WMDs though, I still personally think its a lie to get an excuse to go into Iraq for black gold.

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He will give them death, and they will love him for it -Gladiator

TRP/PFC_Rogueboy/1SQD/1PLT/COMP/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE [LoR]

Well, it sure as hell wasn't to liberate Iraq, or else there wouldn't be well over 300,000 dead civilians.
 
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Your comfort with government dishonesty worries me greatly.
 
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"The way of war is a way of deception. When able, feign inability; when deploying troops, appear not to be. When near, appear far; when far, appear near. Lure with bait; strike with chaos. If the enemy is full, be prepared. If strong, avoid him. If he is angry, disconcert him. If he is weak, stir him to pride. If he is relaxed, harry him; if his men are harmonious, split them. Attack where he is unprepared; appear where you are unexpected. This is victory in warfare; it cannot be divulged in advance. Victory belongs to the side that scores most in the temple calculations before battle. Most spells victory; least spells defeat; none, surer defeat. I see it in this way, and the outcome is apparent." -- Sun Tzu

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle but in defeating the enemy without ever fighting." -- Sun Tzu

"I don't think they went in there for oil because then our gas prices wouldn't be so high or would they Rouge Boy lol"

You can't possibly be serious. Think about it. The government wants gas prices to be high. With high gas prices means more income for the gas companies, more income means more income tax on that money, which in turn gets the government more money.
(this concept may not be exact to what really happens, but it is probably quite similar, which just happens to be why I refer to it as a concept)

In my book, government and greed are nearly synonymous.

As far as lies go with government. It isn't that they "lied" about WMDs it is more they acted before getting enough information to have a firm foundation for their argument.

This doesn't mean that I agree with the reasons that this happened nor does it mean that I think it is "ok" for governments to lie. This is just adding logical thought to the matter.

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DarkDragoons

ASL/SSGT Sandwich Sam/2SQD/1PLT/1CMP/1REG/1BAT/Tadath/VEA [LoR][BM][GS]

"If I offended anyone by any previous statements, then well it sucks to be you. If I offend anyone with future statements then once again, it sucks to be you. Go cry to someone who cares." - Me

"Oh logic, thou art the most wise of beasts" - me

great job, Sam, you should be a debate person, you'd make a lot of influence on people.

"In my book, government and greed are nearly synonymous."

Love this quote, I must get this printed on the pages of all the newspapers, maybe Sam should write the contents of it.

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DarkDragoons

TRP/PFC Jennabelle/2SQD/2PLT/1COM/1RGT/1BAT/VEA/VE/Tadath

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. " -Darth Vader

"...I do not believe that their essence is corrupt(Arturus, post 1504)."

It really isn't a matter of essence. Look at it this way, water can have pollutants in it, but technically its essence is still good. The water is still two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen.

Governments are similar to the water. Their essence isn't corrupt, but they have "pollutants." It is the same concept.

Though I suppose I should have been specific and said the US's government is nearly synonymous to greed in my book. My fault on that one.

Plus, I didn't say they were synonymous, just nearly synonymous, which I guess means they are quite similar. I could have said similar or almost the same thing I just wanted to use synonymous 'cause it is fun to say. :P

"...but alas the perception is the opposite and that is a most unfortunate thing(Arturus, post 1504)."

The perception is only opposite because in the modern world, people have been taught to look for the flaws in things and not look at the good things. This is kind of "cheesy" but Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall," is a good example of these teachings. The main role models for children are teachers, who focus most of the time, on what the student has done wrong or incorrectly. Teachers may see the good things that students have done, but those are not circled in red, which subtlely implants the idea that we, as a people, must look for what is wrong. This mentallity forces people to see only the darkness of things rather than both the light and dark in equality.

People are supposed to "learn from their mistakes" but by doing so just re-enforces the mentallity that was mentioned above. The only way to learn and avoid this mentallity is to, rather than focus on just mistakes or success, is to accept both without a bias towards one or the other. If a mistake is made and is brought to one's attention one should fix it rather than dwell upon it. The same holds true for a success that is brought to one's attention.

I've been told many a time to "look on the brightside" yet those who say that don't do it themselves. I never look on just one side, dark or light. I find myself to be open minded and look at both aspects of things.

Enough of my ramblings for now.
 
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DarkDragoons

ASL/SSGT Sandwich Sam/2SQD/1PLT/1CMP/1REG/1BAT/Tadath/VEA [LoR][BM][GS]

"If I offended anyone by any previous statements, then well it sucks to be you. If I offend anyone with future statements then once again, it sucks to be you. Go cry to someone who cares." - Me

"Oh logic, thou art the most wise of beasts" - me

"If someone fails they fail, there is no positive in that (Arturus, post 1505)."

I would have to disagree. Failure can be attributed to nearly an infinite number of reasons. For instance, if a student fails on an English paper. The student may have made many valid points that pertained to the subject matter, but due to other factors, such as syntax; spelling; and word usage, are probable causes for the failure, not the information given by the student. The information given would be a positive in the failure.

I find that nothing is completely negative nor positive. Though often times the negative or positive will be greater than the counterpart.

"...if you do it wrong you do it wrong and the teacher's job is to say that (Arturus, post 1505)."

Once again, I must disagree in part. It is the educator's job to point out the wrongs done, but it is also their job to point out the success in the incorrect and they are to find a way to aid the student in correcting the mistakes. Often times, I have found, in my personal experience, that teachers point out the incorrect and make a vague note about it. For instance, on an English paper, my teacher has circled a sentence or something and put "vague" or something similar. That does not aid me in correcting the problem because in my mind what was written was quite precise.

"I guess I'll put it this way.  I agree that some...in the school system though (Arturus post 1505)."

You make good points, but my intent of my earlier post was not to suggest a total reform of the educational system, though I did say that there needs to be some change. I must admit that portion was a digression from the point in which the mentality of "looking on the dark side" was subtly implanted, which is the reason for "the perception [being] the opposite (Arturus post 1504)" of what it should be or what it is believed it should be.

"...you'd make a lot of influence on people (Jennabelle, post 418)."

That may be true but I find that only people who want to be influence are influenced. That is not to say that there is anything wrong with that. I do not make posts like this to influence people, it is more to persuade them to think in a similar fashion to myself and allow thoughts to emerge forth from the person(s) so that everyone may be enlightened. Those who speak their minds without fear of being ridiculed, tend to truly say something that has that certain item to make an impact upon those that read it.

Anyhow, I apologize for getting off the topic of this thread. Man, I'm becoming quite philosophical.

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DarkDragoons

ASL/SSGT Sandwich Sam/2SQD/1PLT/1CMP/1REG/1BAT/Tadath/VEA [LoR][BM][GS]

"If I offended anyone by any previous statements, then well it sucks to be you. If I offend anyone with future statements then once again, it sucks to be you. Go cry to someone who cares." - Me

"Oh logic, thou art the most wise of beasts" - me

Vietnam was fighting the Commies.  If they are anything like China or North Korea, they were worth fighting.  Saddam Husain is a bad man.  I believe that it is a sin to not do the right thing when you have the ability to do so.

I also hold the belief that the UN has the wrong definition of "peace" is more than just guns not being fired at each other.  Peace is not letting the Chinese Government do what they very well please to anyone that peacefully opposses them or Communism in general.  Sometimes it takes violent action and breaking the UN's definition of peace to do the right thing.  That is how my goverment was formed, that is what I believe.

Now don't give me any if someone dropped bombs on the U.S. and took over I would be depressed and want to kill my self.  Quite the opposite, I would join a resistence cell, I would kill as many of those invading bastards as I could until I could drive them out or I died with honor trying.  But that is because I grew up in a democracy.  The attitude for ones goverment for many under a dictatorship or military government would be quite different.

I am hopeing that one day a rebellion will break out in China and North Korea that would fight the corrupt goverments.  Many would call them terrorist, but people that understand would call them freedom fighters.

On the other hand, militant Islam really is terrorist that just live to hate western culture in a genocidal fashion.

Final note: If you are Christian, Chinese Christianity is under ground because the Commies kill thier religious leaders and send them to force laber in the "Christmas Light Project" complex.

Now I will step off of my soap box and move on with life for a while.
 
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fury's right, and I for one think Than Sion has been in the bad side of politics too much, cause that's just the kind of people being mocked by the Chinese.

The Chinese are good people, they are a developing country and they require our help. I being a Chinese Christian, one thing you stated correctly was that, Than, but everything else was crap,

I don't know where Than got his information, but I think it's totally messed up, his ideals is exactly how America got mixed in Iraq, it's old Eisenhower dominos again, if one government falls to a dictator, so will all the others.
 
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DarkDragoons

TRP/PFC Jennabelle/2SQD/2PLT/1COM/1RGT/1BAT/VEA/VE/Tadath

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. " -Darth Vader

I think democracy is the new religion and that democratic armies are the new Teutonic knights, and Commies are the new non-believers which is such a load of crap I think things might have been better if communiciation wasnt so developed.

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He will give them death, and they will love him for it -Gladiator

TRP/LCPL_Rogueboy/1SQD/1PLT/COMP/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE [LoR]

Christianity was being forced through the point of a sword, Teutonic Knights slaughtered everyone who would not convert, men, women, and children, burned them, beheaded them, all kinds of terrible stuff, unfortunately the wiki makes light on their crimes. If you saw the movie kingdom of heaven (which I thought the ending was well done) it would show the Templars (Who are the same as Teutonic Knights) attacking innocent Sarissans,

How that fits into todays world is Demos going to war with Commies

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He will give them death, and they will love him for it -Gladiator

TRP/LCPL_Rogueboy/1SQD/1PLT/COMP/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE [LoR]

Wow, I thought you all told me this was a dead subject ? Seems there is a whole lot more to talk about than any of  YOU thought? Read back to some of my earlier posts and then if you STILL have questions lemme know.  IT'S A HOLY WAR OUT THERE don't ya know?
 
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"my soul was cast into the vastness of space for my fear of loneliness" Chronicles of Mykill Doomslayer bk III>chpt 6

Playing this into a holy war concept only gives creedence to the radical psychos on both sides (all sides?) of the various conflicts.

I'm tired of dealing with idiot zealots and will thus maintain to refuse to sink to their level.

Plus, as Art says, there are no communists currently in conflict against the West. Call our adversaries fascists, dictators, anarchists, theocratic goons, etc. and you can stay in the narrow bounds of what reality is.

Seriously folks, don't drink the kool-aid without checking out the contents first.
 
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