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VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 27, 2005
11:50:15 PM
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Wouldn't it be kind of cool to have a vast empire clan for starcraft? Clan Ve, and this could be the website. It is probably possible for the Engineers to make a segment of this site for the Starcraft clan. the only i would see would be the fact that then every online gamer he would want it to. Ah well.
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
11:31:49 AM
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
11:34:52 AM
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Far back as I can remember, the Vast Empire has tried to distance itself from all mention of the word "clan." Clans are immature 13 year olds who spend their days perfecting their skills at a video game and shout things like " "zomg hax", omgwtfbbq" and speak in 1337 because they are incapable of writing proper english.
Clans breed rivalries, rivalries breed problems, both for our members and possibly for the site.
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
1:48:58 PM
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thats half true. But clans on;y do that BECAUSE the leaders or people who hold the group allow that stuff to happen. For example,the starwars clan that i'm in in starcraft. (A clan thats dedicated to starwars, sorta like this.) And the clan that I'm in has never had any problems. Never. besides how can you not call this a clan? It is one but it is jut more well organized and probably bigger than most. that is about the only diference.
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
2:53:54 PM
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This is not a clan, because we do not associate with clans. We do not have "wars" with clans. We are a Roleplaying Club based in the SW universe. Our main focus is writing. I doubt even 3/4 of gaming clan members are even literate enough to write comprehensible english (proof enough of that is given by your posts).
Don't ever compare the VE to a clan again.
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
4:35:51 PM
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i still play starcraft, mainly cause it's of a few games my dialup can handle. ----------------------- Corporal Yillis
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
5:16:56 PM
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The Vast Empire is not a clan - re-emphasis.
There is a considerably huge difference between a clan (small public entity) and a club/organization such as we are. Size is not the sole means of describing the difference between "clans", "clubs", etc. The primary difference, as I have seen in my years, is organization. Clan's are a bunch of people packed together with the common cause of doing one mundane thing over and over again. It's what they do. They'll play a game over and over and call themselves a "clan" because they want to be known as a "group" of players with similar goals.
We are a club, an star wars entity on the Internet that has many divisions and subdivisions, all with a common goal, but with very different aspects and traits.
If you want, here's the Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary definitions of Clan and Club.
Clan: a group united by a common interest or common characteristics
Club: an association of persons for some common object usually jointly supported and meeting periodically; also : a group identified by some common characteristic ----------------------- Cleric "Cosmic" Vor'soth
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
6:55:43 PM
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Hehe...I`m one of those 1/4 people who have been in/are in a clan and can read/write/type proper English.
Well...Semi-proper....(Too many stuipid grammar rules that are too hard to remember.) ----------------------- FM/PO2/Trevor Evenson/Nazgul 3(1-3)/Wing 1/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE/(=*A*=)
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
11:24:25 PM
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Well, everyone has different opinions...or almost everyone. But i disagree with you on certain aspects, such as the grammar and other things. I have seen even officers speak worse than most Starcraft players i know on IRC. The only reason why we speak so well here because it's a requirement. If it was required that everyone on the B.net had to use goo grammar, and obscene language was not allowed, the channels would probably be a lot more cleaner. There are even clan channels were you ARE not allowed to have bad grammar, and it's against the channel rules.
Also I take offense at what you said about my spelling skills and what I wrote up above. I was tired and I have bad vision, horrible vision that only gets worse when I'm tired. I am not in an advanced English class for nothing guy. As you can see here my spelling isn't all that bad now is it?
And I'm still comparing this to a clan that is just better and more organized . What are you going to do? Shoot me? Report me? This is the lounge buddy, and as long as I'm not disrupting the peace, or posting about rude things, there isn't really much you can do to stop me from voicing my opinions on things. If you do not like what you see here, then maybe you shouldn't post here, and perhaps you shouldn't even bother reading it at all. Cheers.
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templar
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
11:29:35 PM
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Also I might add, you contradict yourself in your own post. You may say that we do not associate with other clans, and that we distance ourselves from other clans. But the VE DOES associate itself with other organizations. there is even a link on the main VE page that says " other affiliating websites." Ha! There is even a link that says: "Allied Forces" which, if you click on it, shows a list of web sites that are " Allied" with us. Thats sure sounds like an association to me. We may not have "Wars" with other sites, and competitions, but I'm pretty confident that it is only a matter of time before we start having Internet wide competitions. that is the way all Internet games and organizations are going.
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templar
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 28, 2005
11:38:35 PM
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Wow, I have even found a flaw in Cosmic's post to! Im on a roll tonight, three replies in ten minutes. Cosmic the definitions that are at the bottem of your post do put fourth a good point, but not for the reasosn you think they do.
The definition of a clan states that it is a group of people who are unified by a common goal or common charactristic. The definition of club states that it is a group of people who are unified by common characteristic(s) and by a common object.
Well, this proves that the VE is simular to a clan because we do share a common intrest, which is Star Wars. Also if you note both definitions state that there may also be a common characteristic. i cannot at this moment put my finger down on what characteristic that may be, but if we all DO have a common characteristic, then we neatly fall into both catagories.
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 29, 2005
12:48:54 AM
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Hmm....It seems to me that you know of the Edit button, but still decided to triple post. I`m not sure if it is for sure against the rules, but I do know that its frowned upon.
As you said, you are voicing your opinion, and we are voicing ours. You think there should be, and that clans are good, whereas we think there shouldn`t be, and think that in general clans arn`t all that great, and prefure to be called a club/orginazation rather than a clan.
And for your information, I`m 14, in grade 9, Have like, 8/20 vision, and have a 63% Average in English class, yet I manage to keep my posts readable, even though it is 1 AM here. So Do Not blame a bad post on tiredness, or vision (after all, your screen can`t be more then 4 feet away from you, and your keyboard should be less).
There we go..I`m done. ----------------------- FM/PO2/Trevor Evenson/Nazgul 3(1-3)/Wing 1/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE/(=*A*=)
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 29, 2005
8:56:42 AM
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wow wow relax there guys, I'm all for a "clan" and I think the main reason he used that word is because on starcraft that's what their generally called, and as for typing early in the morning I can relate, sometimes at like three in the morning I can hardly see, usually because I'm smashed but whenever I'm up at that time and not drunk my grammar is terrible and I can hardly see. On the topic of having a starcraft clan/club/organisation, why not? it would help unite members and possibly get more people to join Vast Empire. ----------------------- Trooper Rogueboy
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Angel
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 29, 2005
11:58:57 AM
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First off, I won't be losing any sleep over you being offended.
"This is the lounge buddy, and as long as I'm not disrupting the peace, or posting about rude things, there isn't really much you can do to stop me from voicing my opinions on things. If you do not like what you see here, then maybe you shouldn't post here, and perhaps you shouldn't even bother reading it at all. Cheers"
-This, coupled with your behavior on IRC just shows that you ARE a product of a clan. (i.e. rude, immature etc etc etc). Yes this it the lounge, but that doesn't mean you can say whatever you want here. This isn't some slophouse. Go read the VE CoC and Axiom.
Now I could go on for pages and pages about how you're just embarassing yourself further, but I don't have the time nor the inclination to do as such. I DID laugh my ass off about your pathetic excuse of having "bad vision." I can just picture the look on one of my professor's faces if I walked up to him and said "I have bad vision, so I shouldn't be expected to do this the right way. I should be held to a lesser standard"
So rather than go on and on about how clans are worthless wastes of bandwidth, and how the VE surpasses anything any clan could ever hope to be, I'll sum things up:
Three words templar: idiot, annoying, wrong
in case you missed it, or your vision wasn't good enough to read it (*snicker*) those three words describe you.
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Cosmic
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 29, 2005
12:30:58 AM
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You're just digging yourself into a deeper hole, Templar.
The fact that we have affiliated sites proves nothing about what we are. Also, it should be enough for you if our members, including our officers, tell you that we are a club and nothing like a petty clan at all.
If you have any ideas to come up with for a SC group, by all means post it, but comparing us, and stating us "similar" to a clan, isn't true. Yes, it is true everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but what we are telling you is we we truly are and not what you assume us to be. We are a StarWars club. Not a StarWars clan. ----------------------- Cleric "Cosmic" Vor'soth
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templar
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 30, 2005
2:27:04 PM
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I respect your opinons people, but I do not hope that this thread will cause any trouble. So...I don't think people should really post on here anymore as it will cause problems. Thank you for your thoughts anyways.
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 30, 2005
6:52:14 PM
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well just a quick little thing to say a clan and club are not the same definition yes i was loser enough to look it up on the online dictionary.
CLUB: a group of people with a common interest.
CLAN: a group of people with blood ties, or friendship
and as this topic example showed us we are not all friends therefore clan is ruled out, even though it is the common reference to a group of people on the SC Bnet. ----------------------- Trooper Rogueboy
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 30, 2005
7:56:07 PM
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"The only reason why we speak so well here because it's a requirement. If it was required that everyone on the B.net had to use goo grammar, and obscene language was not allowed, the channels would probably be a lot more cleaner."
You see, this is precisely the point. Those who put the time and effort into a more writing/role playing community such as VE generally use reasonable spelling and grammer. They are also generally more mature (though not always) and don't need to be bound by tight rules in order to act appropriately. We have the CoCs for those who can't figure this out and most who can't don't last very long. ----------------------- FM/ESN Corran "Arturus" Hargraves/Nazgul 2/Phoenix Wing/M-SSD Atrus/VE/VEN/(=A=)(=SA=)(=*MA*=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)[MC:1](x2)[SV][BRC][VC:B][LSM][LoC]
"The way of war is a way of deception. When able, feign inability; when deploying troops, appear not to be. When near, appear far; when far, appear near. Lure with bait; strike with chaos. If the enemy is full, be prepared. If strong, avoid him. If he is angry, disconcert him. If he is weak, stir him to pride. If he is relaxed, harry him; if his men are harmonious, split them. Attack where he is unprepared; appear where you are unexpected. This is victory in warfare; it cannot be divulged in advance. Victory belongs to the side that scores most in the temple calculations before battle. Most spells victory; least spells defeat; none, surer defeat. I see it in this way, and the outcome is apparent." -- Sun Tzu
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 30, 2005
8:40:40 PM
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*scratches*
here we go again
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Angel
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RE: VE Starcraft Clan?
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December 31, 2005
5:30:23 AM
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*saves this page for posterity*
Art and I actually agreed on something...and even backed each other's points....
*faints* ----------------------- Iron Horse Squad
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