Just thought I'd see where some of you stand on the origin of humans. Personally, I would like to favor the idea that God was not alone when he created the world, which I suppose would place me in the category of the "God came from another planet theory"

My basis for believing this would have to be that once Cain kills Abel, he tells God that he feared that the others would look down upon him, and kill him, and that he must go to the land of nod. When he got their, he actually found a wife. At this point, God had created Adam and Eve, and they had two sons, so were did the "others" Cain fear, his  bride, and even the Land of Nod? Simple. When God/Enki (as the Summerians would call him) originally created the first test tube baby (The Adam), he didn't create just one, but he massed produced them to mine gold in southern Afirica to replinish the atmosphere on their dying planet Nibiru.

Now, you are all probably thinking right now, what an idot. BUT, it clearly states in the bibel that God created humans in His own likeness. I havn't seen to many people that look like a divine cosmic being lately, so this leads me to believe that God was possibly of some kind of a human nature. As for the immortal aspect, look at a fly. Their lifespan is but a few days. If they could talk, one housefly would say to their children, look at that divine man. He has lived in this place for countless generations, and not aged a day. He is an immortal.

As one more little piece of information, in the Hebrew bible, it states that "God created main in THEIR image, and in THEIR likeness"

And probably one of the more perplexing chapters in The Bible would have to be Genesis Chapter 6, The Origin of the Nephilium. I don't feel like getting into an indepth discussion about them right now, but if anyone would like to know more, I would be glad to explain it on IRC some night.

 
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To me, it's not a question. It's faith.

I believe that there is no other god, but only the one true Almighty God. And as for His existance, it's not a question of whether He was born or not. He has been here since the beginning. There is no beginning and there is no end to Him. He just is.

As for the fact that we're made in His image, I believe that to be true as well, and there's different ways on how you can look at it. God's son, Jesus, was God's own child, as we all are. However, Jesus healed the sick, brought back sight to the blind and spoke of God. However, Jesus is our Lord. Jesus is our God. I spoke to a Minister some time ago, and he asked me the question: "Do you believe that Jesus is God's son?" I replied with "Yes." And then he asked me, "Do you believe that Jesus is God?" That question stumped me for a few seconds, but I replied with "No. I believe that Jesus is God's son." That's where he smiled and explained to me that Jesus and God are one in the same.

As for the first man to walk the Earth, I believe that Adam
was the very first man, as it says in the Bible. God created Adam, and then Eve was created from Adam.

I could go on, but the fact is that the Christian religion is not about wondering where everyone came from, or if God was actually immortal or mortal. Our guidence for our faith comes from the Bible, and the Bible can answer all of life's problems if you read it carefully. As I said before, God isn't a question. He is God. He just is.
 
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Ah, that brings me onto Eve. God put Adam into a deep sleep, and took from Adam a rib, and made from it a women.

Kinda makes you wonder if Eve was the first recipient of an organ transplant, beings of the deep sleep, etc etc

And Cos, everything I just said was taken from biblical scholars. I am a Roman Catholic, and have a deep love for God. I do believe in the fact that Jesus was the son of God, yet one in the same as God, and is also the Holy Spirit, hence the Trinity.
 
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More towards LostSoldier:

To me, the fact that it says that there is a God and a Heaven in the Bible is all I need. I know that there is a God and I know that there is a Heaven. The proof that I can show you (and should be the only proof that everyone needs, but that's not the case) is look around you. The sky, stars, planets, galaxies, plants, animals. I believe, as a Christian, that all of these were created by God.
 
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As far as I am concerned, no one created God. He has always existed. As you say, you could go on asking who created the first being. My answer is the the first being was not made, he has just always existed, outside of time. Like the universe prompted the begining of time so there can not have been anything existing in the 'space time continum' as neither space nor time existed. So you can't really say that God has always existed as 'always' suggests time, whereas God simply exists, in the infinitive if you will.
 
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well, I guess it all fits in to the incomomprehensible myserty of faith I suppose
 
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interesting that all these "1. confidience or trust in a person or thing. 2. belief that is not based on proof. 3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of a religion." come from the same word. very different meanings. maybe.
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thats about one of the best therioes ive ever heard...
 
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Exactly chipmuhnk! That is the exact theory of Zecharia Sitchen,  that God jumped the gun on evolution. He ties it in with Summerian mythology that God wasn't alone when he accelerated the evoultion of the Cro-Magnon man.
 
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The Bible is also the only book to contradict itself over 100 times. I'd love to think that was all real, and quite-possibly, it is. In my opinion, it's the most likely. But what's to say the Quran isn't right ? Or one of the other hundreds of thousands of ancient religious writings ? Honestly, I'm too stubborn to have faith like that, but I hold alot of respect for any man that does. Props to Cosmic, Japer, all you faithful
 
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On a more serious note i have to say that i do not have faith, i am someone who likes to question things, it is why i will be spending most of my time studying physics. I am not someone who can simply say i have faith and carry on.

On the origins of humans i believe we did evolve from something. One thing i am sure of is that we were NOT the first things on this earth.
You can put in the things that were around when life started... hydrogen, water, ammonia, methane and hydrogen sulfide. People have then made sparks (representing lightning) and complex organic molecules with the parts for nulceic acids and proteins is created. They have even made nucleic acids than make exact copies of themselves (as it's believed molecules started to do before making cells and becoming life)

But if i really wanted to learn more about creating life and the origins of man i'd probably study something else...
 
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What makes you so sure that God didn't create all of the elements? And if He didn't, who did? Where they just there the whole time? If yes, then you would be contradicting some previous statements as to how God could have existed the whole time, too.
 
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but if God does exist he obviously doesn't just say i want a person to be there and they are.
The universe is incredibly complicated (i would say too vast to be here just for us) and humans are incredibly complicated.
If one being created us they must have had to think hard about evolution and came up with the idea of beings replicating themselves to carry on and the ideas of using DNA and sexually reproduction. And creating the whole universe from the basics of fundamental particles is insane.

Basically if there is a god he's a brilliant scientist lol
 
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Sorry Japer, but I've never heard of Zecharia Sitchen and know nothing of Sumerian mythology. I think there is way too much evidence for evolution to simply discount it, but on the other hand think it near imposible for the exact amount of elements needed to just happen to be in the right place at the right time. I think God started out with single cells, and went from there over millions of years. Men couldn't have been here first, in any recognizablely humaniod form(whew, long words!). The evidence simply points the other way.
 
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Ah, it's about time I jump in the fray    Anyways, here's a quote from a friend of mine in the EH that relates to the whole "in man's image thing":

Man has forgotten he is more than a man...that the gods...so whome they might be, created him in their image...and with that image came abilities of their image....and so we begin the journey traveler, who is the fool? Or is enlightenment only profound in the foolish?

Anyways, Chipmunk, you have the same belief system as my friend Cynthia (creationism then evolution), and I happen to approve of it.  It may still believe in God, and unprovable entity, but it's great in that it allows itself to change with new ideas, rather than staying rigid even if it knows it's wrong 

My personal belief is the same as Raziel's, and I can supply a whole bunch of evidence that shows that it is actually quite possible to happen.  In fact, if you look at my hypothesis, it seems quite impossible that evolution did not happen...

*scientific lecture mode*

Okay, there are over 100 billion stars in the Milky Way Galaxy, right?  Now, assuming that these stars do have planets (our own system has nine, but we'll assume an average of three), that makes 300 billion planets out there.  Now, one out of our nine has the right distance for life, so we'll stick with the 1:9 ratio for now.  That means that in our galaxy, over 33 billion planets have the correct distance from the star for life.

Now, the odds of a planet having the right elements for life are pretty low too, but it can't reduce it below 10 million planets.  Now, our galaxy is not the only one in the proven universe.  In fact, I recently got hold of a hubble picture in National Geographic that photographs litter tens of thousands of galaxies in less than a square millimeter of space as seen through our eyes.  This means that there must be uncountable numbers of planets out there that are suitable for life.

Now, the odds of each individual requiremed reaction happening are small, very small.  The odds of all of them happening together, and in the right order are almost infinitesimal.  However, take the amount of chances out there, and you end up with, not just one planet with life, but litter billions, and even trillions.

Evolution doesn't seem as far fetched now, does it?

As for the bible, I would love to believe it.  It's a scientists' dream, a perfectly made and explainable universe.  Each piece of is fits together beautifully with every other piece.  There are only two problems.

Number one: It does not fit most of the evidence we are discovering on a daily basis here on Earth.

Number two: It all comes back to this God idea, something which we have no way of proving right or wrong, and which, according to everything we know, we can't even prove where it came from.  In fact, every direct description of him in over 2000 years old, and is written in an area where there was little actual education, a whole bunch of superstition, and plants that could be smoked quite easily for hallucinatory effect.

That's my take on the whole thing.  It may be that I'm wrong, but if anyone can prove it to me, I'll happilly admit it.
 
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