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the3Djedi
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  RE: Concerning Swearing...
May 31, 2002 11:53:59 PM    View the profile of the3Djedi 
I have recently noticed many people swearing in the chat room: #Vast_Empire.  Mainly Moderators, but other also swear after realizing that it's "OK".  Now maybe i'm just being stupid, but aren't there any RULES around here?  I thought the moderators were the High Command guys set the example for others.  It's not that I look away every time I see someone swear, mainly it's the fact that some of the moderators are, well, kind of abusing there power.  If you think that i'm being silly, then tell me please! (Anakin: Ep2)  I hope this doesn't get me banned or anything.
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June 1, 2002 12:24:04 AM    View the profile of Anakin 
Thank you every much for reminding everyone...including myself...as a common respect for everyone, please try to keep it down...   ----------------------- -=:General Anakin:=- Executive Officer for the Vast Empire XO/GN Anakin/HC-2/Lotaith/VE [SCP][CDS][IOC][CM-SS][LoCx23] YAPI!!!!! E-mail 
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June 1, 2002 10:48:06 AM    View the profile of Shadow 
I've noticed this as well. In some rooms it doesn't matter, but it is prohibited on the main channel. Maybe part of the problem comes from there being too many ops or maybe the ops are just abusing their priveleges.
 
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June 1, 2002 8:36:44 PM    View the profile of Talon 
Or some ops like myself don't talk in #VE unless our names are said or someone asks us to pay attention.
 
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June 1, 2002 8:38:31 PM    View the profile of Rizzit 
CONGRADULATIONS SHADOW! You have touched upon a highly sensitive subject. The reason people swear are because they feel that they can get away with it. However, let me catch someone swear when I get ops in a channel. PMs are different, so let's try to keep the language in there, and in places such as #Closet
 
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June 1, 2002 11:07:21 PM    View the profile of Merrick 
Funny how no one mentions the sexism and stuff... but then I guess none of you have to put up with it, DO YOU.. And yet you all wonder why there are no female members.. hmmm... geee...
 
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June 2, 2002 9:30:05 AM    View the profile of Threeof4 
Or that 50% of them never go in the channel.
 
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June 2, 2002 9:10:54 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
/me waits for 3 to die    Well Merrick, to be quite honest, I've never seen any sexism on IRC...
 
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June 3, 2002 8:45:03 AM    View the profile of Merrick 
I haven't seen you in #VE. You have to be there to see it, dear. You would also have to be female to be subjected to it, and not a complete asshole to notice it. Having your head up your own ass is not the best way to see what is going on around you, you see. I am not in this club to be raped and molested in the channel, and that is what I mostly get.   ----------------------- Skyalin Tel'sha Jester Squad's chick with a sword To thy protection fear and sorrow flee, and those that weary are of light find rest in thee. If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, hunt it down and kill it.
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June 3, 2002 9:19:09 AM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
Geez, no wonder I never see Merrick in the channel. I wonder how Say put up with it ...
 
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June 3, 2002 10:35:35 AM    View the profile of Riel Fury 
heh, Say doesn't care, that's why.  Personally, I think you all are a bit too uptight.  If someone swears, we do kick them.  Of course, I guess maybe the definition of a swear word is in order.  A swear word is normally one of those offensive four letter words that you wouldn't say in front of your mother (present poster not included).  So, make sure you're up with the definition.  Ass, for instance, is not a swear word in any of the ops books, I believe.  Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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June 3, 2002 1:15:55 PM    View the profile of JMac 
LOL!  Merrick, I don't have a clue what you are talking about.  Raped and Molested?  I have never seen anything like that, and I am in mIRC all the time.  The cosest thingm is some slightly lewd humor, which we direct at each other more then we direct it at you since you flip out about it so easily. 
 
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June 3, 2002 5:49:20 PM    View the profile of the3Djedi 
Reil, I have seen people use those 4 letter words, mainly moderators. (One in particular, but I'm not using any names.)
 
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June 3, 2002 7:29:10 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Thanks for your remarks Merrick, I don't think even JMac would agree with them(and we have arguments all the time  ).  I know that I've never participated in that(All I do is immature pranking), and I've never seen anyone else do anything beyond a few lewd jokes directed more at the guys in there than any girls anywhere    And I do drop in from time to time 
 
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June 3, 2002 7:46:33 PM    View the profile of g5 
hope you all enjoyed that and are thouroughly mad at me.   ----------------------- FC/LCM G5/Modified Frigate DeathScythe/VEN/=A= Combat Engineer G5
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June 3, 2002 9:32:54 PM    View the profile of Merrick 
Me flip out so easily, mhm. You'd have to 1. know me to say that, 2. have actually seen any of what I am talking about. Say doesn't care because Say never talks. Say never talks, so no one ever talks to her. I try to get in on the jokes and stuff, and the 12yr olds end up doing something stupid like saying I look rapetastic etc. Don't need that here as well as irl, thanks. Biggest thing rape victims DONT need, is that kind of stupidity from people. And FYI, I don't flip out, I just leave the gods forsaken channel to the NewBs.   ----------------------- Skyalin Tel'sha Jester Squad's chick with a sword To thy protection fear and sorrow flee, and those that weary are of light find rest in thee. If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, hunt it down and kill it.
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June 3, 2002 9:57:24 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Merrick, all you had to do was mention that you had a problem and others(definitely me, maybe others too) would do what they could to help out.  Now that I know about it, I'll help where and when I can, and I think there are a lot of others who will too.  But you actually have to tell us, or we have no clue what's going on.
 
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June 4, 2002 1:11:20 AM    View the profile of Merrick 
I've been telling people for the past 2 months! Nothing has been done about it, for crying out loud. And I even know most of the ops, sheesh. What more am I supposed to do!
 
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June 4, 2002 8:05:58 AM    View the profile of Anakin 
famous quote from the 80's comes to mind... "Boys will be boys..."  (sorry don't feel like singing it atm) sorry but there isn't much we can do about the sexist stuff... if men hate or argue with women...women call it being sexist and same goes the opposite way.  Sorry but I don't have the power to control what other people think and say....I'm only a demi god...perhaps in the future...
 
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June 4, 2002 7:49:44 PM    View the profile of Merrick 
Well, you can look forward to getting my resignation.
 
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June 4, 2002 8:21:28 PM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
Merrick . . . I hope that all of this has not actually driven you to a resignation. First off, I was only joking about the Say comment. But Say DOES talk, believe it or not. Second, I have only seen you on IRC twice since you joined - not that that doesn't mean that you don't frequent the channel reguarly. I just have never seen anything like what you have been referring to. Third, I am extremely pissed off to hear that this has been happening. Two months? And no one has done anything about it? Aren't there supposed to be some kind of controls around here somewhere? People swearing in the channel is bad enough, but lewd comments is something else - especially when Merrick has been complaining about them. Whoever you complained to, Merrick, they obviously do not care. But I hope someone with some power DOES care. I don't want to see an active member leave, whatever the reason. Whoever has been making these comments toward her needs to be reprimanded - NOW. Two days would be too long to let this continue - two months is unbelievable. The purpose of the Vast Empire is to HAVE FUN, I'll grant you that. But each member's right to have fun has a limit - the boundary of what other members can tolerate. Anakin, you yourself are always talking about respect between our members, and then you go and make a comment like that. I can understand if you feel that way about men and women, but the comment was completely unnecessary. You should be doing something to stop this harassment. Okay, okay, so what if I sound like someone just trying to sound all cool and get on Merrick's good side? I don't care, cos this is how I feel; besides I don't even know her. But I do know that I have seen inappropriate behavior grow on the channel in recent months AND that several potentially active recruits in the Navy have split in lieu of IRC incidents. So, please, someone - do something about this. I was joking around earlier, but this really does tick me off. If ALL of our members can't enjoy IRC without being harrassed (to a certain extent, I'll grant you that), then something is wrong here. Maybe Merrick won't be the only one turning in a resignation letter. Thank you.
 
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June 4, 2002 8:32:47 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
I agree with DH, two months is far too long for this to be going on.  If there is someone who is feeling harrassed for any reason, their complaints should be heeded.  I personally(to use myself as an example) would immediately stop my immature pranks if someone complained about them, and this is worse by orders of magnitude.  Anakin, I'm going to ask that you do something about that, because it's not something I'd ever like to see in a club devoted to gaming and having a good time.
 
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June 5, 2002 12:58:52 AM    View the profile of Riel Fury 
I personally frequent IRC quite a bit (too much, most likely) and other than the general goofing off, I see none of this "sexism".  I may joke about stuff, as do all of us (DH and his sheep come to mind), but unless a sheep has accosted you sometime in the past, I see no reason to get all up in arms about the whole issue.  I have not seen any sexism towards Merrick, I see genuine fear towards Merrick.  I have yet to hear a word from Say or Kelly or even (yes, god forbid) grrl_exfury on the subject.  Perhaps the sensitivity level may be a bit high here.  Like I said, I joke around quite a bit.  Everyone involved, however, know it's a joke.  When it gets offensive, as my brother will atest to, people get kicked.  Now, if you're a complete homophobe and don't like seeing purble type obscurely mentioning an act of some sort, then that's an issue that you need to solve on your own time. I'm wondering how a cursing topic got twisted into a discussion on sexual harassment, however. 
 
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June 5, 2002 1:54:37 AM    View the profile of Anakin 
/me sighs and shakes his head...  I really hate it when other people twist my words and ideals... First off...
"Anakin, you yourself are always talking about respect between our members, and then you go and make a comment like that. I can understand if you feel that way about men and women, but the comment was completely unnecessary."
This is completey not true and ANYONE that knows me, knows that my virtues are loyalty...and most of all respect...  And yes...I'm sorry I can't change how the sex's feel about each other....I'm implying that it takes an act of god to change that.  And talk to anyone thats been around me for a while and I'm usually the first to issue warning or talk to people when a problem does happen...
"Anakin, I'm going to ask that you do something about that, because it's not something I'd ever like to see in a club devoted to gaming and having a good time."
Let me bring up a key point here...  I have absolutely nothing against any of you, expecially you Merrick...in fact I like you very much as a friend...and I'm in awww to see this different side of you...  But let me ask you one thing....If this was happening 2 months ago as you said it has been...why haven't you talked to me about it?  I have heard absolutely no complaints on any perticular person about what they have said or done to you or anyone else... I heard about two weeks ago that there are sexist people in #VE sometimes but not once have you ever gone into details about it...  I really don't like to be blamed for something I've never done or failed to do...I take it as a slap in the face for nothing, and don't appreciate it very much...  IF ANYONE, EVER has a problem with a member or officer... GO TO THE OPS...its what they are there for... if they aren't helpfull or resolve your problem, for one they shouldn't be there... but if they don't....go to another one, or talk or e-mail me about it... e-mail form is much more official and I tend to take it more seriously... Anyway...as I have reported to the HC...I will be on leave for the rest of the week on a trip... 'later
 
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June 5, 2002 8:14:16 AM    View the profile of Merrick 
So, you don't take my constant complaints in the other channel seriously? Great to know how much my input is valued. So mufh for common respect, saying boys will be boys merely shows me that you don't believe it to be anything wrong, just something natural. Well, it is not natural and I'm sorry but it is not fine. They can be boys without being sexist bastards. I'm sorry if you haven't paid attention to my complaints and so believe me to have not made them. Ask Riel and Talon and.. well Kip.   ----------------------- Skyalin Tel'sha Jester Squad's chick with a sword To thy protection fear and sorrow flee, and those that weary are of light find rest in thee. If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, hunt it down and kill it.
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June 5, 2002 8:37:22 AM    View the profile of Shadow 
Anakin, I didn't mean any disrespect to you in the earlier comment. Your reaction just sounded a little out of character; I see where you were coming from now that I went back and reread your post.  I'm sorry if it looked like I was trying to make you the bad guy here - if you didn't know, you didn't know. (Hey, I don't think many of us did know) But I still agree with Argon Viper. This has gone on too long for someone to have done nothing about it. Merrick just gave us a list of ops who she had complained to. If indeed she did complain and they didn't do anything about it, well then I think they need to get on the ball and correct that problem. One more thing - Ani's right. E-mailing people might have gotten this all worked out sooner.
 
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June 5, 2002 10:15:48 AM    View the profile of Spartacus 
Hmm. Say does talk quite a bit. Just ask her about Chris Lee, pints of blood or monogamous relationships and you will get a good conversation going. Before we solve the cursing, sexism, and rampant debauchery, we must crack-down on the profane use of colors. We all know what happened to Lance Corporal Optic's eyesight last year just because of folks breaking the no-colors rule. We can't have tragedies like that ever happen again. Kadann is still paying legal fees for it. ----------------------- "Out of the night that covers me, Black as the Pit from pole to pole,   I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud.   Under the bludgeonings of chance, My head is bloody, but unbowed. It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul." --- William Ernest Henley (1849 – 1903)
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June 5, 2002 1:05:47 PM    View the profile of Japheth 
I, for one, am in IRC virtually all the time. I don't believe I can recall ever seeing any sexist comment directed at you, Merrick, or really anyone. Yes, there is a low of joking around, because thats *FUN* and thats what the VE is for. People may have done something once or twice, but after your rather extreme reactions both in channel and out, I would think that they are much too afraid of you to really attempt any interaction at all. HOWEVER, if I do see anything of this kind in the future, it will be dealt with switftly and harshly.
 
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  RE: Concerning Swearing...
June 5, 2002 3:17:53 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Anakin, I wasn't blaming you for the problem, I was asking you to solve it.  I can solve it for my squad(if anyone from my squad does that, tell me and I'll take care of it), but my control over the whole VE is pretty much squat.  I agree that this should have been mentioned on the comnet much earlier, but the fact is that, even if it was reported three years from now, if the members are still around, it should still be dealt with.  There is no statute of limitations on crime in any nation in the world, if you do it, it will be dealt with.  That's why I said that.
 
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  RE: Concerning Swearing...
June 5, 2002 4:00:44 PM    View the profile of Threeof4 
There is a statute of limitations in the US.  6 years.  Murder has no statue of limitations.  damn, there goes that whole thing. 
 
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