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  James Cameron's Avatar
December 19, 2009 2:16:27 AM    View the profile of Decembrist 
So I saw that on Friday. It pissed me off.

... because Star Trek won't be winning any visual oscars.

The film was absolutely flawless in it's cinematography and cinegraphics. The range of motion on the faces of the Na'Bi was incredible. This film blowed me away, floored me, roofed me, etc etc. It gives me hope for cinema in an era of commercialism and cheap storylines to make a quick buck.

And don't even get me started on the political messages laced overtly and covertly throughout the movie. Good god, this was a brilliant work of art.
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 19, 2009 3:49:52 AM    View the profile of Ron 
Well I heard it sucked.

/me goes to kill aforesaid informants.
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 19, 2009 4:33:21 AM    View the profile of Helena 
I'm hoping to see it today with a few friends. I'll let you know what I thought
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 19, 2009 5:08:09 AM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
I'm going to see it today too.

Even though It's probably going to be amazing, we all know it's not the TRUE Avatar film.

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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 19, 2009 8:11:05 AM    View the profile of Jager 
...Ehhh, looked great. Story was a fairly predictable romp. I got worried when it started drawing clearer parallels with real life events, even cringed on a few lines, but at least it had the tact to mention them, then move on unlike a lot of message heavy movies.

If you can sit through the first 2/3rds of the movie, the last act makes it totally worth it, if just for the visuals. But face it, its this or paranormal jump scares or The day after tommor-I mean, Deep impa- no wait, 2012.

District 9 was better in every aspect, in its message, its visuals and its story.

In the end it just goes to show, you make Titanic and Terminator 2 and they will let you do anything you want.
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 19, 2009 9:22:13 AM    View the profile of Hunter-Morrell 
Hopefully I can go see it sometime within the next week. Dunno for sure though. I hope its as good as you peoples say it is
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 19, 2009 10:07:26 AM    View the profile of Rogueboy 
my experience with hype, it never lives up to its expectation.
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December 19, 2009 10:31:26 AM    View the profile of Ron 
District 9 was amazing.  I will love Peter Jackson until the day I die.
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 19, 2009 1:20:08 PM    View the profile of StarFruit 
It's pretty much Ferngully with Hexxas.
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 19, 2009 2:16:38 PM    View the profile of Ron 
I had no idea what that was, until I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferngully

In a way, i suppose it is... I'd say Pocahontas is a better cartoon metaphor.
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 20, 2009 6:33:08 PM    View the profile of Ron 
So yeah, sorry for the double post but...
Jager wrote:If you can sit through the first 2/3rds of the movie, the last act makes it totally worth it, if just for the visuals.

I agree with Decembrist, and not Jag, on this one: the movie was flawless.  And not just because it had one of the greatest fighting scenes at the end of the movie, in fact, i consider the FIRST 2/3rds of the movie to be on the same parallel as the ending.

Now I'm not overreacting or some shit, and I'm not a big fan of anything James Cameron has done before.  I walked into the theater thinking it would be crap and walked away loving it.  If you are a science fiction person (which you fail for being in this club if you aren't) this film is a must see.  Let me repeat that in bold, red, capped, giant underlined font:

MUST SEE


I have nothing left to say, other than the fact that this film is amazing and makes Star Wars look like shit.

Go ahead and challenge me on that one, you know it's true.
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
December 24, 2009 7:16:41 PM    View the profile of Jager 
Its dances with wolves/The last samurai/A dozen other movies about the evils of imperialism, but with Aliens and crammed with gratuitous amounts of wonderment and wimsey (The forest glows inexplicably, poorly explained flying mountains) to try and distract you from that fact.

I'm baffled by the fact that it has been in the works for ten years... you'd think he could have come up with a better story in all that time.

Now sure, it looked good, but that doesn't make up for the rather bland story that drags it arse around until the final act, and the final act got bogged down in parts as well. The acting from most of the supporting cast was hammy except for the marine commander, the one saving grace of the film. Oh sure, he chewed scenery like no other, but it was a good kind of chew. Worthington's role probably wont (Shouldn't) win him any awards. They had stereotypes in droves as well, for example, every god-damned marine in the film was a mouthful of tobacco away from a beer hat. Because not having a painfully clear distinction between the good guys and the bad guys would confuse people...

Frankly, there are better sci-fi movies out there which you could probably find at your local video store for half the price of the movie ticket. District 9 (Is that out on DvD yet?), Blade runner (A must see), Alien (Cameron at his finest), hell the original star wars trilogy. All far better films both in setting and storyline.

But face it. You'll see this film. Most people will. It'll win awards. But in the end what do we have?

Did it break new ground in the genre? No. Once again, anesthetics don't make up for a contrived storyline.

Was the story memorable and gripping? If you haven't seen Dances with wolves, or the last samurai or the slew of movies like them, then still not really.

We've simply retreaded old ground and given it a flash new coat of paint...
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December 24, 2009 8:35:37 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Story was similar to Pocahontas - but I loved it.
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December 24, 2009 9:20:06 PM    View the profile of Decembrist 
Jager: It was the style of cinegraphics that distinguishes this film as well as the political context that surrounds it that will make it famous.
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December 25, 2009 5:11:27 PM    View the profile of Corvin 
Good graphics and not much else. I spent the film alternately wishing the alien scenes would end and anticipating the inevitable smackdown by the humans. The film made me root for the genocidal caricatures and hope they would win. Not a good sign.

Watch if you really want to see a 3D movie and have a high tolerance for nonsense and bad plot. Otherwise, don't bother.
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December 25, 2009 5:16:31 PM    View the profile of Garryll Gates 
Funnily, that's almost exactly how I felt.

Not a fantastic story, but very, very pretty.
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December 25, 2009 10:05:29 PM    View the profile of Wicket 
I saw it! I liked the the alien land. Pure beauty
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
January 6, 2010 1:24:29 AM    View the profile of Ruwe 
watched it...and totally worth going back to see it again...and again...and again...and again...and again...and again...and again...and again...and again...and again...

in conclusion i dont think i could see this movie enough...i was totally and completely captivated by it (once of course the headache subsided from trying to watch 3D (which was only 15 minutes anyways))

i dont know how anyone can say its like any other movie...it definitely is NOT like any movie i have ever seen..honestly i wish there was some kind of world out there like that...i would definitely rid myself of this body and be one of them in a heartbeat..thats how captivating this movie was to me

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January 8, 2010 2:24:30 AM    View the profile of Jegora 
I...still haven't seen it. Judging from the various opinions here, perhaps I should try and change that.
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January 8, 2010 9:24:02 AM    View the profile of Corvin 
Again, depends on your tolerance for nonsense and lack of subtlety.
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  RE: James Cameron's Avatar
January 8, 2010 10:44:21 AM    View the profile of Rogueboy 
I wasn't a big fan of the movie, graphics were awesome, I found it too long, quite a few questions I have that were unanswered. The plot was cliche.
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January 9, 2010 4:42:34 PM    View the profile of Aeos 
What Rogueboy said.

Look, visually. I won't deny it. It was brilliant. I didn't even see it in 3d.
But seriously. I wanted to vomit at 40 min. And I think I spent 30 min somewhere of the movie in a giggle fit trying to surpress my laughter with my friends.

I mean, it was just waaay too sappy and romantic.
It was like Pearl Harbour and Titanic all in one but with blue-skinned aliens which could have been a bit more original and awesome graphics.

*shrugs*

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January 9, 2010 6:02:20 PM    View the profile of Sandwich Sam 
Looked good, but all I could thing of was "Dances with Wolves" and "Terminator" as far as the plot goes.
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