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Fury
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October 7, 2003 11:43:32 AM    View the profile of Fury 
I'm not sure any of us should be so hasty to leave the Vast Empire.  The track record of members who have quit/retired is not so good.

First, we have Sesswanna, chronic egotistical hacker, who took down our entire domain because he was "just trying to help".

Now, we have Bear, who has apparently turned into a racist hate-monger.

Basically, go into the reserves, stay active, but DO NOT LEAVE THE VE.  You will turn into a ninth-dan schmuck and social degenerate.

You have been warned.
 
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Bear
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  RE: Former members
October 7, 2003 12:29:26 AM    View the profile of Bear 
Please see my email.


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Please do not give my website any credibility by publically insulting it, or myself.

The website was engineered by myself and several school-mates, and was designed for their humour and enjoyment. They are, in the majority, politically-stupid and wouldn't even bother going deeper into any of my comments.

However, it has now apparently been released into the public where much more politically aware people can view it, such as yourself.

I deeply resent the term "racist hate monger".

You want to see hatemongering?

You got it.


If millions of people protesting about an unjust illegal war all over the world did not make you sit up and take notice, and a website an unemployed 17 year old knocked up in half an hour DOES... good lord. The world has gone insane.


I'm actually shocked that someone thinks I pose a threat to world security. I await my Homeland Security email with baited breath.
[This message has been edited by Bear (edited October 7, 2003 12:51:35 AM)]
Fury
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October 7, 2003 2:08:30 PM    View the profile of Fury 
1. I do not advocate extremism in any form.  That goes for people who think George Bush is too liberal and for you, you poor misguided soul.

That "unjust, illegal war" of your's is one that many people I know have either been involved in or are about to be.  You do not have to like the situation, but you can sure as hell reach into that lump of coal in your chest you call a heart and learn to respect their willingness to go despite their misgivings.  If you can't, you can just go to hell.

2. Anyone who pokes fun at Jews and Blacks and idolizes Hitler is an automatic "racist hate monger".  You'd better get used to the label.

3. You want to dislike this country, go right ahead.  You want to poke fun at dead service members; buddy, you've totally missed the point and have gone WAY beyond the concept of good taste.

4. Basically, I think you are a threat to human kind, not any one country.  Poor critical reasoning and misplaced wit with an internet connection.  This is why the gene pool is too thin.  Kindly take your hate speech elsewhere.

I merely wanted to make an object lesson of how despicable a person can get.  You just keep proving my point better than I can.
 
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October 7, 2003 2:29:45 PM    View the profile of Arturus 
um...wow...this is quite the topic and although I have not seen the site and although i am very much against the war in Iraq which I wont go into now, Fury does make a couple of very valid points.
 
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October 7, 2003 3:32:28 PM    View the profile of Rizzit 
Yes, but I think we should continue it on a Lounge thread....
 
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Fury
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October 7, 2003 3:42:57 PM    View the profile of Fury 
Perhaps you are right Rizzit.

In either case, I read the email that was sent to me to attempt to explain this behavior.

In all fairness, Mr. Frew seems to be completely oblivious to all the inappropriate things many of us discussed earlier.  He seems to believe my only offense is that I'm am American and thus have some righteous indignation.

I will leave his defending his behavior to himself, but I can see that most of what has bothered myself and others has not even shown up on his internal radar.

I do not agree with the approach, or his concept that this is merely satire, but I can at least see that the problem is more a lack of perception than of pure malicious intent.

Still doesn't explain the Hitler fixation, but its not as godawful as I had earlier believed.
 
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October 7, 2003 7:56:29 PM    View the profile of Zed Zeon 
i have the feeling that i missed something around here
Merrick
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October 7, 2003 10:09:57 PM    View the profile of Merrick 
Just wanted to say one thing to Bear.

Opposing the war is all fine and dandy, before troops have been deployed. Once they are there, it is a downright insult to them and their job, and their patriotism, to outwardly oppose it. For one thing, it is not their choice to be there, and yet they are there to save your pansy ass from being ruled by a communist or some other dictator. Keep your problems with said war to yourself, because I can assure you that not only Americans with relatives or friends over there will massacre you, but most other people as well. What the defense forces do is something worthy of our respect, and you should damn well give it to them. I would like to see someone like you called upon to defend your country and allies, and agree without a second thought.

Guess that's it. Grow up, grow a brain, and perhaps you won't always be such a retard, Bear.
 
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October 8, 2003 4:47:40 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Now in no way believe that i am joining bears side at all. Personally i'm for the troops in iraq.

But i have to ask were the people who openly opposed vietnam wrong?
 
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October 8, 2003 7:45:27 AM    View the profile of Swomz 
No.

As to retired members track records, you forgot me Fury.  I am a good friend of Sess and Bear, so wouldn't that make me some kind of hating, anti-VE sunuvabitch that you need to disrespect on a message board where apparently you find yourself to be a step below god?
 
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Fury
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October 8, 2003 9:39:09 AM    View the profile of Fury 
No Swomz, because while I do find you irritating, you haven't run off to join the Aryan Nation or anything.

Your lack of being listed here is probably a testament to your being a person with better standards than the other two.  Too bad you keep trying to screw that image up by posting things like this.

As for calling me a tin god, I'm not, and anyone who deals fairly with me would know that without even thinking about it.  But thanks for playing.
 
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October 8, 2003 9:41:16 AM    View the profile of Liquid 
technically, you never retired if you're still around...now shoo!
 
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October 8, 2003 11:29:41 AM    View the profile of JMac 
Yes, the people who openly opposed the war in Vietnam were completely wrong.  Should we have been there in the first place?  No.  Was trhe war run wrong by the politicians right off the bat?  Absolutely.  Should they have protested like that?  Of course not.

Our soldiers went over there, in horrendous conditions, and fought, bled, and typically died.  Those that survived were shattered, and instead of support when they got home, they were met by a wall of hatred.  If a soldier at least has something to believe in, and if he thinks that the people back home are with him, then he can typically pull through.  If he has the mass of ignorance and hate back home which our soldier's did, he falls apart.  There are still people that have never gotten over the scars of Vietnam.  Almost as many soldier's killed themselves as died in the war!

Now that I have vented, what website?  Why is Swomz trying to take part in a (somewhat) intelligent conversation?  Why is this in the Main Comnet instead of the lounge?  What is the meaning of squid?
 
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October 8, 2003 12:59:22 AM    View the profile of Matok 
Well here I go, on a ranting rampage that I will try to be moderate, democratic but say my democratic opinion.

Sooo.... first of all I have some things to state related to Bears and to others comments here. This isn't going to get in-depth by any means, just general comments.

There is a difference Bear to opposing a war, and wishing people go to hell. I saw your comments on September 11th, and hell Bear if you want to think it's your idea, go right ahead. But then that allows me to hate you because, if it was your idea, that would mean you would have killed my uncle, one of his sons, and his niece. So if you want that on your shoulders, plus about 2500 others, I suggest not bragging that it was "your idea", even if its a great joke to you.

Next, I see more comments on the war. I'm going to make this perfectly clear. EVERYONE, and that means EVERYONE, has the right to their own opinions in the United States of America, Canada, Britain and many other countries that attempt to hold a charter of rights together. That means they HAVE the right to protest the war that is IN progress, about to happen, or has been completed. They HAVE the right, even if others believe they don't. It's sealed into the constitution; it is their free speech to do it. And you know what? They can do it without having to have people tell them they can't. That is their right. Read it over, and learn to love Free Speech. Without it there are no rights, there is no democracy; there is no point of its existence.

I don't know how many of you actually KNOW people serving in Iraq, but I can tell you from those I know, several DON'T wan to be there. They only did it because they had a piece of paper saying "GO, GO, GO!" Some may be pumped up on idealistic news and great stories of fun and excitement, and that's good. If they want to do that, they can go right ahead.

But protesting a war does not insult a lowly soldier, following executive orders. If I was out there, getting my release date (I'm calling it that so sue me), I would want people protesting to get my home. How many people do you know who have been sent back home so far? Not many. If they are saying things against the US soldiers, then yes they are insulting them. But, and I say that again, BUT if they are protesting the war, they are PROTESTING the war.

Flag waving is great. Yeah, yeah, go country and all that. But... brain power is great too. And if people want to protest, they can. If people think they should shut up, maybe they should think twice about their rights and if they deserve them or should go live in post Cold War Russian and chant patriotic songs all day, paint your house with the flag, use the flag for your bed spread, and hell, stick a flag where ever you exist, or put down democratic people in our society who are trying to use their democratic freedoms. What's the point of democracy if it can't be used?

That is all from this guy in a grey suit and waiting for his 6 and a 1/2 hour lecture to end.

Edit:

BTW: Art, I suggest reading the comments where he insults some countries. You may 'enjoy' that (quotes being notes for sarcasms).
 
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[This message has been edited by Matok (edited October 8, 2003 1:00:51 PM)]
Arturus
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October 8, 2003 6:00:20 PM    View the profile of Arturus 
(Matok tell me what the site is and Ill read it, I have become very curious)

Anyway I just wanted to say one thing to Merrick

Protesting during a war isnt an issue, as long as you protest the war and not mock the troops there fighting it.  They have no choice, but that doesnt mean that because they are now deployed we have to suck it up and like it.  While my country isnt involved, I am an activist and very anti-war...especially this one.  To me, it would seem a hypocrisy not to protest the war even while troops are there.  If they are fighting to protect freedom of speech, let there be freedom to condem the war as long as you dont condemn the unfortunate troops there fighting it.

I think it is wrong it suck up anything and like it when you can make a stand and make a choice in a democratic system.

This is sorta a spur of the moment arguement, if you want to take this up with me sometime ill be willing to give u a much more constructed and less flawed argument.
 
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October 8, 2003 6:22:05 PM    View the profile of Fury 
Matok, Art...I totally agree with you.  At least as far as the legal implications of protesting.

However, the real application of a war protest always (let's emphasize ALWAYS) turn into some thing where even at best a loud fringe element demonizes the public at large and the troops in general as some type of murder-hungry pack of yes-men and -women for whatever administration is in power.

Let me clarify that.  No, I don't think that is what the majority of protestors mean to say.  However, this is EXACTLY the image that the media and our troops abroad receive from such protests.  As such, the concept extends that protests are fundamentally anti-troop and insulting to the public at large. I've lived in enough medium and large cities during my life to give you first-hand reckoning that I have never seen an anti-war protest that did not devolve into chants akin to "baby killers" when troops were addressed.

That being the case, I respect the right of someone to protest, but I also completely agree it is bad form seeing as anti-war protestors are too afraid of reducing their numbers to address the troop-hating element in their midst.  You change that attitude, you may begin to change minds on this feeling most of us have.
 
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Kjerri
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October 8, 2003 10:40:48 PM    View the profile of Kjerri 
Hey Art, see Fury's post about Bear, click that link.. and I think thats what Matok means. (The word thats a link is the link to Bear's site).
 
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October 9, 2003 9:10:33 AM    View the profile of Kuroishi 
I've read this topic and the website.

After 9/11/01 I thought it was bad taste to keep calling myself 'The Head Terrorist'.  So I removed that from mysignature.

Now I know technicly freedom of speech protects what Bear did but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

If you really want to take over the world read "The Prince" by Niccolo Machievelli(I think I spelled that right).

Personal insults aside, Bear if you are going to do something like that try not to utterly disgust people.  Do a little research on the people you want to use as examples/heros as well.  You might find out a few intersting things and not go on a rant that makes no sense and makes everyone mad at you.

I'm a realistic pacifist.  That means I'd prefer not to fight but I realize that there are times when fighting is neccessary.

I didn't mind Afghanistan but I still disagree with the Iraq 'war'.

I am one that does try and draw distinctions between things that are related(you'll never catch me calling a soldier a baby killer or saying everything is Bush Junior's falt).  I may not like the politics but I support the troops.

Perhaps someone should lock this topic before it becomes even more uncivilizied.
 
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October 9, 2003 9:19:40 AM    View the profile of Rizzit 
Yes, but I think we should continue it on a Lounge thread....

Perhaps you are right Rizzit.

By any chance can we move this to the lounge? Really, it doesn't seem like a fit place to be discussing things like this.
 
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Fury
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October 9, 2003 10:21:32 AM    View the profile of Fury 
I asked once if we could get a move option.  Hasn't appeared yet.

If someone wants to create a new thread and link to this one, I'll lock it.  Otherwise, it will probably just die off on its own.
 
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JMac
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October 9, 2003 11:18:35 AM    View the profile of JMac 
Amazing, I actually agree with a lot of what Fury has said, and I even agree with most of what Kuroishi said.  I disagree with locking a discussion on the basis that it might get nasty, if it does, it does, and those are usually a lot of fun.  I will take the opportunity to make an overflow topic in the lounge though, because as much potential as this thread has, it really does not belong on the main comnet.
 
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Fury
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October 9, 2003 4:21:49 PM    View the profile of Fury 
Locked, and moved over to the Lounge if interest remains.
 
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