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February 3, 2002
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Woohoo! ...Is that good that we're Green Beret type people? ----------------------- Uhhh... uhhh... ummm... I dunno... ?
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February 3, 2002
1:40:56 PM
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So, if I get this right:
Wraiths: Special Ops
Dread Knights: Black Ops ----------------------- Ramon Stonefish
"How can we say we are protectors when we are more feared than that which we defend against?!" --Lucien, the First Fallen.
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February 3, 2002
1:47:59 PM
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LOL!!! That sounds about right. We do the stuff no one else is lacking enough morals to do  BTW, that was a great analogy ----------------------- Argon Viper
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"He who knows his enemy, needs not fear confrontation" - Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
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February 5, 2002
4:03:34 PM
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yeah that sounds cool ----------------------- SL/1SGTRaziel/4SQD/1COMP/1BAT/1RGT/Tadath/VEA/ {EW1}
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February 5, 2002
4:50:36 PM
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Alright, equipment needs...and my projections on them.
Here goes....
Dark Dragoons - Repulsorlift squad
Standard stormtrooper armor, Stormtrooper II carbines and A-280 armor-piercing rifles, 2xStorm Skimmer Repulsorsleds, 1xHoverscout
Raiders - Walker squad
Standard stormtrooper armor, Stormtrooper II carbines, 2xAT-ST, 1xAT-ST/A, 1xPX-4 Mobile Command Base
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replace one AT-ST with 2xAT-PT which would slow you down some
Wraith - Special Operations
Storm Commando armor, ES-23 ESPO riot guns and Whisper sniper rifles, 2xArrow-23 Tramp Shuttles (modified), 8xNebulon-Q swoops
Dread Knights - Special Operations
Storm Commando armor, X-1 Concussion rifles, Whisper sniper rifles, E-11/H rifles, 2xStorm Skimmer Repulsorsleds, 1xX10 Ground Cruiser
Look them over, modify what you think is wrong, needs added, etc.
Remember that you are - within reason - allowed to carry a different weapons load; so if you are heavy weps, you can have a repeating blaster or grenade launcher, a sharpshooter can get a sniper rifle if they so choose. Grenades and knives are up to you as well. If you can conceivably carry it without slowing down your squad, use it as your SL's discretion.
As for heavy ships, consider the Dominion ready for overall use, the Scythe will likely stay as a Spec Ops craft...and we can work on having some kind of transports specially assigned to squads as well should ppl want them.
As always, if you need something for a storyline, feel free to check to see if you can use it. The equipment list is to be a guideline, not a restriction.
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February 5, 2002
6:23:12 PM
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Fish-like suggestions for alternates:
Dark Dragoons - Mechanised Infantry
Std Stormtrooper armour
Stormtrooper II Carbines
A280s
2 x Light speeder with mounted E-Web Heavy repeating blaster
1 x tracked APC
1 x Skimmer APC
Raiders - Tank squad
Std Stormtrooper armour
Stormtrooper II Carbines
PX-4 (whatever that is)
1x AT-ST
1x MT-AT
3x AT-PT
Wraith - Spec Ops
Commando Armour
Spec Ops Kit - Night vision goggles, silenced sidearms, vibroknives, lockpick
Silenced Carbines (of some variety)
2x Whisper rifle
4x ESPO
9x Swoop
2x Shuttle
Dread Knights - Spec Ops
Commando armour
Spec Ops Kit
Silenced Carbines
E11 Carbines
2x Concussion rifle
2x Whisper Rifle
1x Skimmer APC
1x Shuttle
----------------------- Ramon Stonefish
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February 5, 2002
7:35:59 PM
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How about these suggestions:
Stormtrooper Two carbine
A280 Armor-Piercing Heavy Blaster Rifle
2xStorm Skimmer Patrol Sled
1xGX12 Hovervan
6xSTAP
3xHeavy STAP
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February 5, 2002
7:47:19 PM
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Uh, what about those of us that have no morals in the Wraiths....I would have no problem killing someone's family ----------------------- Rear Admiral (L) Riel Fury
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February 5, 2002
8:28:05 PM
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Well, you shoulda stuck with the DK 
As to equipment, here's my projections on what we'll need.
4xWhisper sniper rifles
4xCustom armor(we may not want to be recognized)
4xStandard E-11s(silenced)
Night vision goggles, IR goggles, UV goggles, lockpick kit, misc stuff like that.
1xTransport(hard to detect)
2xRepulsorsleds
Misc spy gear
Misc explosives
/me looks it over. Looks good to me ----------------------- Argon Viper
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February 5, 2002
11:30:11 PM
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As to the personal gear, once again, I wouldn't deem myself so much of a control freak to force those things upon you. Besides Argon, if you could find a helmet your size, you'd find a lot of those vision filters are standard options...heh. However, I do like the idea of a codified spec ops kit like Fish suggested. That way newbies can figure out what they are going out in the field with.
I spent some time going over aggregate speed and power when considering vehicles and shots per power cell/clip and lethality with the weps. With that in mind, I really like the input I'm getting. as they seem to coincide with that.
As for the Dark Dragoon's vehicle load...it seems that there is a move by Demi Wraith to go to a lighter but faster alternative. Which I can do if that's the way he wants it. I just wanted to add a little more punch.
A concern for putting an MT-AT in with the Raiders...it seems like it would be easy for that craft to outpace it's support vehicles, which would also be restricted in free movement by defending the "mother" vehicle more often than not. It's one of those things that I'd love to do with an armor platoon, but not just yet in squad form. Then again, let's see what G5 has to say about it.
It also appears that people want assault shuttles or some various thereof. That makes sense and I'll look into it as both of our ships can carry them even if the shuttles can act independently.
Keep 'em coming. ----------------------- XO/LTC Fury/VEA/TADATH/VE [SotE:HC][SotE:VEA][IOC]
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February 6, 2002
7:03:44 AM
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ok i'm happy with what we'll get except a few things 
i'd request:
-hieb and stich knives for the squad as i won;t permit vibroknives (too noisy)
-Mynock Q33 Silent Slugthower Pistol's
-Grappling guns (to help across difficult terrain and getting to higher places.
also i looked up Tramp shuttles and found this:
"Tramp Shuttle
Model - Modified Aratech Arrow-23 Landspeeder
Scale - speeder
Length - 8.1m
Crew - 2
Weapons - 1 laser cannon turret , 1 concussion grenade launcher
Passenger capacity - 5 troops
Cargo capacity - 800 kilograms
Speed - 400 kmh
Altitude range - 4m
Description:
Tramp Shuttles are medium assault speeders used for anti infantry and anti vehicle work. They fly at just over four meters above the ground and can travel at speeds of 400 kilometers per hour. Tramp Shuttles usually speed ahead of advancing troops and deliver a deadly barrage of laser bolts and concussion grenades on enemy positions."
This correct? ----------------------- SL/1SGTRaziel/4SQD/1COMP/1BAT/1RGT/Tadath/VEA/ {EW1}
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February 6, 2002
7:24:41 AM
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Sounds great man .. I back that ----------------------- Sergeant Rez 'Raxen' Darkswift [Navy: Fallen]
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February 6, 2002
9:32:33 AM
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That's the craft Raz....and if you and Argon or Fish or whoever can come up with a quick spec ops kit...like able to pack along in a quick, light pack or something, give me some ideas as I don't want to clutter the roster up too much with every particular recommended sidearm and piece of gear. ----------------------- XO/LTC Fury/VEA/TADATH/VE [SotE:HC][SotE:VEA][IOC]
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February 6, 2002
3:51:36 PM
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ok, first of all, whats with the command thing, it's a squad, not a company. I can fight with the rest of my boys. i've been thinking about how i'm gonna do this. first off, i'd like a PT. i'm letting the other guys choose their things. i also want to have at least one of the vehicles be abloe to carry either a speeder or a stap somehow, i don't really care how. I just want to be able to have a recon vehicle. My policy would be to basically let the ment bring whatever they felt like, above and beyond what i order, if it can fit in their vehicle.
I'd like some opinoions on this. I would also want to make a armor survival kit, i'll construct that and get tyou a list within the end of the week. ----------------------- WC/TO:A/LCM G5/Raptor 2-2/Wing 1/mSSD Atrus/VEN/=A=
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February 6, 2002
4:50:33 PM
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How about this:
Standard Stormtrooper Armor
Stormtrooper II Carbines
A280 Armor-Piercing Heavy Blaster Rifles
500 Squad Repeating Blaster Riot Guns
2xStorm Skimmer Patrol Sled
2xSX20 Airskimmer
1xGX12 Hovervan
6xSTAP
3xHeavy STAP
----------------------- Sergeant Major Duran "Demi Wraith" Driscoll
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February 6, 2002
5:37:11 PM
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Fishy Spec Ops Kit:
Universal Silencer attachment
Nightvision attachement for combat helmet
IR attachment for combat helmet
4x scope (universal attachment) - doubles nicely as a telescope 
Electronic lockpick
Cianide tablet (to be taken in case of capture)
That's kinda what I had in mind, though the cianide is optional as it does lend a darker theme to the kit (and also an easy way to get rid of AWOLs j/k).
----------------------- Ramon Stonefish
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February 6, 2002
6:22:38 PM
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I kinda like DW's new idea for our squad. ----------------------- GV/ SP Japer/Sith/Dark Knight 1-2 Cabal/ Eagle Sect/VEDJ
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February 6, 2002
6:44:26 PM
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OK I've got the impression that the Raiders want to be heavy Aromor and Recon. So I'd say give us some walkers. Well, I'll make a list.
the same aromor and weapons mentioed above
2x AT-ST
1At-ST/A
2x STAPS
2x Heavy STAPs
and possibly another walker or assualt vehicle or some type.
That's my input.
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February 6, 2002
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don't listen to him, he is but a peon 
actually, i don't want it to be a recon squad, but i want a single recon vehicle so that we can go out on our own without depending on external intel.
i'm gointg to let you each chose a vehicle, as long as it is a walker. it will then have to be okayed by yours truly and fury. if you don't get me an e-mail by friday evening, well, i'm choosing for you. chances are it will be something flimsy and uncomfortable.
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February 6, 2002
8:50:23 PM
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Lesse, Fish's list sounds pretty good. Here's what I'd definitely want on it:
Universal silencer attachment
Universal scope(up to 4x)
IR/UV filters(because we really can't use Strmtrp armor...  )
Some kind of dagger
Med pack
Cyanide tablet(see Fish's remarks...) ----------------------- Argon Viper
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February 7, 2002
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I'm working on the idea here that Storm Commando Armour looks kinda like Colonial Marine armour. Now I could be wrong, and if I am, someone get me a link to a piccy of some Storm Commando armour. ----------------------- Ramon Stonefish
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February 7, 2002
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Here's one I found on a quick search...ought to be enough to tide you over.
----------------------- XO/LTC Fury/VEA/TADATH/VE [SotE:HC][SotE:VEA][IOC]
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February 7, 2002
11:54:30 AM
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Walker? 
I don't like walkers.
Can't we have a tank or something? I quite like my TIE Crawler that you gave me ----------------------- AAMB/LCM Bear/VEHC/VE
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February 7, 2002
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Infact, if I pay the VEEC, they could DESIGN a tank for me..! ----------------------- AAMB/LCM Bear/VEHC/VE
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February 7, 2002
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Cheers, Fury. ----------------------- Ramon Stonefish
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February 7, 2002
2:13:38 PM
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Well, you could be in a slow, plodding target of a tank...or you could rule the battlefield from a walker.
In the end, it's G5's choice...I was just going according to the posts I've historically seen from current members of the squads.
Plus, your cause would be better served if you actually posted as your army character Grizzly. ----------------------- XO/LTC Fury/VEA/TADATH/VE [SotE:HC][SotE:VEA][IOC]
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February 7, 2002
4:33:20 PM
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let me think, you'd also need some good long range radios for getting info from long distances, or a satellite ground terminal.
wire cutters for getting through detterants for infiltration. eg fences, barved wire etc.
claws for climbing fences are also useful
artic/desert sleeping bags as we'll be sleeping rough behind enemy lines.
wires for trip wires, fishing lines and assorted uses.
string or wire for constructing shelters and tying equipment down.
Escape belt. contains food, escape and evasion equipment, spare ammunition, water bottle, weapon cleaning kit and other essentials, useful if forces to drop backpack.
survival kit on escape kit, with radio beacon and first aid kit for emergencies.
Emergency rations.
i'm thinking of the equipment we'll deffinately need for spending long time behind enemy lines, am i going into too much detail here? ----------------------- SL/1SGTRaziel/4SQD/1COMP/1BAT/1RGT/Tadath/VEA/ {EW1}
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February 7, 2002
5:06:09 PM
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Most of that is kind of mission specific kit. I mean, you don't take arctic gear to an undercover op on Coruscant, so why put it in a general equipment list?
Something does spring to mind, though - Rambo's knife (its probably standard issue or something, but that's where I saw it). Hollow handle containing needle, cord, bandage. Compass built into pommel, and nice 'n' sharp. That should be in Spec Ops Kit too.
The other things on your list - that's where personal specialisation comes in:
Satellite radio - Comtech
Toolkit - Engineer
etc ----------------------- Ramon Stonefish
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February 7, 2002
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All right, here's what I recommend the Raiders' new equipment be. I know you want us all to choose our own ride, Snake, but this could be equipment we call on if needed. Or, you can give this junk to the people who don't report in to you. 
1 x AT-AA (All Terrain Anti-Air ... 3 crew)
1 x AT-AT (All Terrain Armored Transport ... 5 crew)
1 x AT-RT (All Terrain Reconnaissance Trasnport ... 2 crew)
1 x AT-ST/A (All Terrain Scout Transport/Assault ... 2 crew)
1 x MT-AT (All Terrain Mountain Transport ... 3 crew)
That would give us a wide range to choose from and cover just about any field of battle. Then, on top of that, each of us who reports in to you by your set date can choose their own personal ride. I think you and Otto both want an AT-PT . . . I'm gonna ask Cloud or Nomar to share an AT-ST/A with me.
Just an idea. Let me know what you think, guys, Fury.
/me salutes ----------------------- TRP/CPL Shadow/3SQD/1PLT/1COMP/1BAT/1REG/VEA/VE
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February 7, 2002
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I'd be delighted to share an At-ST/A with you Shadow. Or for my own personal vehicle, I'd choose an Espo 101 walker for my Recon vehicle, but it's alittle too light for a front line weapon. So I say I'll share an AT-ST/A with Shadow. I suggest that I could be the recon person. I'll look for you on IRC g5. ----------------------- [NAVY] sk8guy
TRP/CPL Cloud/Wraith XO/5SQD/1PLT/COMP/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE
"Death smiles at us all. All a man is do is smile back."
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