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Concerning FTCs
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September 3, 2006
8:56:27 PM
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Since the position was invented to allow squads to be more versatile, I've had problems with the way Fire Team Commander/Leader has been used. It was never supposed to be a position that gained you money or power, merely an on the fly breaking up of the squad to aid in a difficult spot. As such it shouldn't have been included on the roster, and I've argued this from day one. The SLs have agreed with me and the position has been removed from the active squads. Anyone who has a problem with this can take it up with me. DO NOT harrass your SL about it. ----------------------- XO/MAJ Merrick/VEA/TADATH/VE [CotE][SoA][CoH]
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 3, 2006
10:43:06 PM
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Why don't I get a mention in there?
Merrick: Because it's part of my job to take credit for your efforts too, duh.
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 3, 2006
10:48:59 PM
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MErriok, I f I had an office I would pull you in it, but now I will say this. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIKED THE JOB?! not for money or power or nothing. Jsut cause they liked it.
Merrick: Sure you would kid. You'd lose an appendage at the attempt to touch me.
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Rizzit
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 3, 2006
11:10:16 PM
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I'd just like to make a note before you go bitching at Merrick, your Squad Leader, Assistant Squad Leader, or one of your platoon staff members:
The position has NOT been done away with. It has simply been removed from the roster. As Merrick said, it was never meant to earn any extra pay or power from: it was mainly for storyline purposes. SOMEHOW it ended up on the roster, but let's not re-open that arguement.
When I first invented the position of Fire Team Captain for Raiders Squad back in 2002 (I think?) the position was solely used for storyline purposes. We had three groups of three and each team had a leader. Fire Team Captains never had any power or payraise, it wasn't even on the roster then. We had full squads at the time this position was implemented. Now we're barely hanging on to stay alive. I'm still curious as to how they gained the power they did, I guess I never questioned it so they assumed it was okay.
Now should any of you Squad Leaders decide you want to keep the position of Fire Team Captain in your squad, you will not be condemned to the pits of the Sarlaac Pit Monster for your misjudgement. You are free to keep the position open for storyline purposes and for all extensive puroposes to have them help you manage the squad (or serve as a backup ASL should one of you go on leave) when there is 9 troopers in your squad again. Just remember, it is the Squad Leaders decision to have or not to have the position.
On a side note, I'd just like to remind you all that this is not a New Republic or "rebel" group: we are NOT a Democracy. We do not take votes or anything like that. When we make an executive decision like we have done today, the decision is final. There will be no protests or turn-arounds of our decisions. I know we are a somewhat relaxed group of enforcers, so the opposite seems to be true. This applies to SLs and above who actually have the power to make decisions. We're always happy to answer concerns about our decisions or to get input on various things from you, but there is no voting or trooper rebellions to go on that will reverse our decision. Please try to understand this. Thank you!
----------------------- Colonel Rizzit BlackHeart
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 3, 2006
11:19:18 PM
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Also, the golden rule: Praise in public, punish in private. If you've got a "problem" with any superior, you take it up with them in a private matter. ----------------------- Cleric "Cosmic" Vor'soth
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
5:59:49 AM
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The hell with that!
Rizz, you borrowed my miter saw FIVE months ago and haven't returned it yet!
*scoffs* ----------------------- NightStalkers
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
4:10:48 PM
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In addition to Merrick's reasoning, look at our squads...FTC is a useless position at the moment. The only time Kami and I EVER used the position was when we had a full squad. A SL and ASL is all a squad really needs to function.
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
5:02:44 PM
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Nine people isnt really big enough to need three teams most of the time anyways. I usually just use two. ----------------------- Raiders
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
5:06:06 PM
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Well, 9 really isn't divisible by two. Makes more sense to have three. ----------------------- Jester Squad
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
5:09:36 PM
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Then you need to stop and wonder: what is the exact cutoff point at which I will have more chiefs needed to look after my little indians? ----------------------- Cleric "Cosmic" Vor'soth
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
5:31:23 PM
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One team of Five and one team of Four works perfectly fine. ----------------------- |EXO/WO2_Demonic/Kaph 5/PheonixWing/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE| (=*A*=)(=*SA*=)(VC:B)(MC2)(VEB)(DSM)[BWC]-=TOP PILOT=-
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Kairo
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
6:04:12 PM
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Or four and four, because in all likely hood someone's gone AWOL and you can just kill them off, thus making nine into two, with someone just being dead...
Oh wait, that's not positive... um, let's go with the five and four thing.
I think it's a good idea, because when the people who got the FTC position, when there was one, sometimes thought that it actually gave them authority or power in the squad and such, which tended to get really annoying.
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Rizzit
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
6:33:22 PM
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Amen. ----------------------- Colonel Rizzit BlackHeart
Wildcard Platoon Commander
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
6:49:49 PM
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You dont need three bosses for six troopers - and there is usually less then that. ----------------------- |EXO/WO2_Demonic/Kaph 5/PheonixWing/mSSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE| (=*A*=)(=*SA*=)(VC:B)(MC2)(VEB)(DSM)[BWC]{O1}-=TOP PILOT=-
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
10:10:50 PM
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"I think it's a good idea, because when the people who got the FTC position, when there was one, sometimes thought that it actually gave them authority or power in the squad and such, which tended to get really annoying."
Agreed. coughtypexcough. ----------------------- *DarkDragoons*
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Typex3
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
10:16:32 PM
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 , I'm watching you Gio....... ----------------------- DarkDragoons
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Sniping101
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 4, 2006
11:40:38 PM
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/me does the Happy Snipes Dance,
I don't really have much more to add, just happy to see it erased as a roster position, Wraiths never used it anyway.
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 7, 2006
12:18:28 AM
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All I see here is the backasswards way of looking at this.
Consider the following: FTL is a position you assume because someone above you thinks you *may* be capable of leading troops someday.
It is your TEST, not your PRIVILEGE.
That is all. ----------------------- PRF/GG Fury/VEA/TADATH/VE [MoHx2][SCPx2][PoC][SotE:HC][SotE:VEA][SCP][MSM][IOC]
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Typex3
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 9, 2006
9:49:21 PM
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Shocking, but true......
Case Closed: It was a wastefull position... ----------------------- DarkDragoons
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 9, 2006
10:20:35 PM
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doesnt leave much positions to be gained in a squad though ----------------------- He will give them death, and they will love him for it -Gladiator
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RK
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 17, 2006
3:29:24 PM
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I can't believe it, i actually agree now. It was usless, you did nothing, all it did was made you feel important, that's all. ----------------------- Jester Squad
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Hashi Shiyun
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 18, 2006
10:31:32 PM
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It made you feel important?
FTC is still viable in stories. Squads are usually divided into fireteams ; maybe two teams of four or three teams of three. In the real world, military organizations across the globe break their basic squads into fireteams for the purpose of fire and movement, a fundamental principle of small unit warfare. That's a touch of realism for you in your stories. While FTCs are not administrative positions within the Stormtrooper Corps structure (no official responsibilities), they still serve quite a useful purpose, albeit fictional.
I would highly endorse them being used for in-character purposes. In that way, a newbie Stormtrooper corporal can slowly groom his character into a combat leader in his own right and etc.
And for those who think that FTCs should be reinstated back into the official chain of command, do realize that it should take no more than two people to command a squad of a maximum seven troopers (which is rare since we are all below authorized strength). Just messes thing up.
Keep FTCs just for stories.
Those who have no clue what fire and movement is, please read up. You people are supposed to be grunts.
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 18, 2006
10:59:14 PM
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I was waiting for this information to come along from you Hashi. You seem to know a lot about squad organization. Thanks for the info.....
Type, you got something on your nose. Wipie it off!
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RK
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RE: Concerning FTCs
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September 19, 2006
6:01:33 PM
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For some of us Hashi, yes ----------------------- Jester Squad
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