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Fury
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 5, 2003 1:43:51 PM    View the profile of Fury 
I know I've been spending a lot of time working on Imperial Center and letting the army work through its stories.  I am prepared to do some more behind the scenes stuff for the Army, but need some direction. Through posting here or via email, I would like to know what information you need or needed as a new member to make you feel knowledgeable about Star Wars, particularly about being a stormtrooper?  I don't want to bury people in data, but there are ways of giving you a better all-around experience than we have been doing. If you have a lot of insightful suggestions on this, I am definitely willing to part with a portion of the DarNamell estate to reward you for your participation.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 5, 2003 2:22:03 PM    View the profile of Swomz 
Well... For one thing I think the specialties could be more in depth. For another thing maybe it would be good to have a compiled list of does and donts for story making and other tips, I know people are always quick to help when you do something wrong, but don't you think it would be easier to just circumvent the problem altogether?
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 5, 2003 5:52:20 PM    View the profile of MaraJade 
I agree with you on the specialties.. thats a biggie.. more detail and what the training is going to entail.  Also maybe a better example of what your goals should be when you join.. ok, your out of drill, now your in a squad, where do you go from here?  More detailed road map I guess I am saying.  more to come...
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 5, 2003 8:27:09 PM    View the profile of Rizzit 
For specialties, I would really like some hard-core examples of how you can "train" for a specialty when you got a storyline, or something like that. How do you spend an allotted time training. Also, a more detailed list of the responsibilities for the fields would be good. Like what exactly do they do? Not what they can do or might do. I would like to see more medals that us SLs can give out. We can only give out one medal I believe, and that kind of sux. Also, I would like to see XO become an official position in the VE. Platoon Leader Assistants get official positions why can't the squad leader assistants? That is all from me. Hope this is what you wanted to hear.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 5, 2003 8:51:26 PM    View the profile of Shadow 
How about you run an AWOL check more frequently and get rid of the people who don't do anything? I never see half the people on the Army roster doing jack crap. Also, I wish you would have a word with some of the squad leaders, Fury. Rizzit seems to be doing a nice job with the Raiders, but from what I can tell, the other squads just basically sit around and do nothing. Or if their members are active, it's purely by their own choice and not part of any organized effort.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 5, 2003 10:03:27 PM    View the profile of Peacemaker 
and thats from someone who dont even sends a report ..... if you wonder why i dont post much on a story then try to imagine how fun it is sometimes to write in a other language, but anyways, i write something up.
 
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February 5, 2003 10:07:18 PM    View the profile of Fury 
That's funny...I see your SL every day. As for the responses I've been getting.  All good ideas.  I especially like the "road map" concept and the idea of increased medals that SLs can give out...though I gotta say if someone gets recommended for one of the higher level ones, it would likely be approved.  You don't think that people get Silver Stars or Purple Hearts in the US Army because some higher up saw a need do you? No, it is because a sergeant or lieutenant submitted the request. As for the condescending remarks about other SLs, I just want to remind you all of the "praise in public, punish in private" philosophy that has been beaten into all our skulls at one time or another (and if this is your first time hearing it, welcome) and that constructive criticism is going to go a lot further with me than anything to the contrary.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 5, 2003 10:36:23 PM    View the profile of Riel Fury 
The mantra set down by Majere lives on!!!! LONG LIVE MAJERE!!!!!!! *commits ritual suicide*
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 5, 2003 11:41:42 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
I agree with Shadow on the AWOL checks. There needs to be more of them. I don't think that it should be done every week (like the Navy ), but I do think that mabye we should start one every two weeks. Keep the troops on their toes. Speaking of which, I'll have to make an AWOL check for the Trainees soon.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 6, 2003 8:31:11 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Two weeks sound pretty good.  EH is up to one month of no contact gets you AWOLed (one week to start the process), and the RS...  Well, some of their fleets have a two month limit (they send out monthly missions, so that's their test), and some fleets are rather out of it...  Surprisingly enough, both systems seem to work.  However, with a smaller group like ours, two weeks should be a lot better 
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 6, 2003 8:34:20 AM    View the profile of Fury 
Then again, there is obviously stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.  I could've sworn that Yun was gone and long since AWOL as I never see any sign of his presence, and then all of a sudden there's this new website. So, like I've always maintained, the SLs know best what their troops are doing. Though in case some of you SLs missed it, there is a request for a fresh AWOL check.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 6, 2003 11:06:47 PM    View the profile of Swomz 
Also, I wish you would have a word with some of the squad leaders, Fury. Rizzit seems to be doing a nice job with the Raiders, but from what I can tell, the other squads just basically sit around and do nothing. Or if their members are active, it's purely by their own choice and not part of any organized effort. -and there Shadow hath summed up what I said once in its entirety, but not in public, nopers. AWOL checks=good Rizzit's AWOL checks=really good Instead of just having us check in, we also have to post a couple times on the story.  Not to mention the non-SW gaming thing we do helps for activity a lot.  Squad Leaders overall do a good job (once again, the praise in public speech), but they need to create comps for their members or comps between the squads.  If something is being made, great, but at least throw something together like, "You guys play these games, send in a screenshot, and recieve a medal, promo, or some cash"  that's all it takes, we can handle it from there. don't underestimate the power of the n00bs/lowly troopers.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 7, 2003 10:12:05 PM    View the profile of Rizzit 
Swomz, I am glad that you think I am doing things well as your SL, but I think there are a few things you should be aware of: 1. Some squads don't do as much witing as we do. We do a lot of writing, so that is my form on an AWOL check. 2. It takes hard work to put a competiton together. They are not mandatory no matter what you may think. You need to closely track the games played, and decide what each win counts for. Not to mention how prizes are issued. Speaking of which, I don't remember EVER giving out a medal or a promotion just for winning a competition. Now in bigger competitions like an ESC, that is something else. 3. Respect the way the other SLs operate. Not everyone runs like we do. They could be doing a lot of behind-the-scenes work, and we don't know about it. Also, no one it criticizing you new troopers. Where you got that idea I will never know. 4. If you're going by that praise in public speech, why aren't you praising the SLs and other troopers. Just cause I am your SL does not mean I want you to praise only me. "Give credit where it is due." There is another speach for you to memorize. If any of you other SLs have anything to add, please feel free.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 8, 2003 2:50:42 AM    View the profile of Drogo 
I would like to see a new format for some stories. For example give people their own individual story or pair people up and let them coordinate. This will allow for more flowing stories that are easier to follow and stay on one train of thought. Also it will allow for some deeper character development. It might be a bit to ask of some people that aren't really into the whole storywriting thing, but it's just a thought.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 8, 2003 9:45:46 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Nah, I'm more into the group effort because: "None of us is as dumb as all of us" http://www.despair.com/meetings.html
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 9, 2003 4:47:10 PM    View the profile of Fury 
To be honest, I would love to see some individually sponsored stories on our down time.  I remember back before Chapter 7 a bunch of us grabbed a shuttle and went on vacation.  It stopped with the beginning of the next chapter and we never got back to it, but it was a lot of fun to plan and work on.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 9, 2003 7:58:57 PM    View the profile of Rizzit 
Well, I don't know about that; but I do know that in the missions I have been trying to make posts that seperate a portion of the group from us. Let them make a few posts and then re-group. It's been working out good except that we now have an injured trooper. heh.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 9, 2003 9:09:04 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Meh, I preferred the squad runons myself.  Heck, the platoon runon we did was pretty cool too.  It all depends on whether you can count on activity 
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 10, 2003 9:11:13 PM    View the profile of Kjerri 
Ok well I think we need less RPG information for a trooper's training and more information on how the Vast Empire works. Some people get gittery, especially gamers if you focus highly on RP matters for training. Its a good thing to have, yes, just that I think new soldiers would enjoy some information on how the army works, how the vast empire works, and how they can do well besides "stay active". Ill think of a better post, but thats just my idea
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 10, 2003 9:54:03 PM    View the profile of Swomz 
wow, hi Kjerri, long time no see anyways...I like to be able to just see the information, you don't HAVE to use it, it will be there for your convenience
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 11, 2003 12:01:22 AM    View the profile of Fury 
If anyone ever figures out how the Vast Empire really works, I'm gonna clear out the shelves of medals. Basically, and I've been back and forth on this with Argon until we both kinda saw each other's points, it is like this: We get new members.  We don't know where most of them came from.  They could be RL military members or 13 year olds who are fanatical about Star Wars with no clue what that means.  They could have read all the books or played all the games or only know the movies and maybe a comic book or two. My job, as I see it, is to provide a framework in which everyone can work. As the ATC concept starts (finally!) coming together, we are going to literally deluge you guys with information.  In fact, I'd rather hit the ground running with too much info and scale it back than otherwise. Does that mean that I plan on testing you over each and every piece of it?  No. The plan is to create some backstory to what a trooper can do, what tools they have to do it with, and how to "realistically" work within those, well, constraints.  Hopefully this will either provide a framework you can use or at least give the new folks something to grasp onto and work with. Now for those of you who have been through three or four previous groups, SW or not, and have a firm grasp on gaming, writing, etc. a lot of this is gonna be repeat info.  If you feel a need to go over it, do so.  If you think people are too stuck in a role, mention it.  If you find yourself slightly out of your element for once, figure out if there is something you are missing out on.  If you can function well without a lot if it, great. It's like this. Being Prefect, there are things I can and can NOT do in a regular story.  I know if I go charging off into single combat with some opposing general, it's gonna sound incredibly stupid to the rest of you.  And if you are a PFC in Drill squad, you are not going to be the tactical genius that saves the day.  Why?  Because even if you have the genius and cunning of Thrawn, who the hell is gonna listen to a green PFC? And that's really all there is to it.  It gives a framework to everyone and an assist to those who need it.   ----------------------- PRF/BG Fury/VEA/TADATH/VE [SCP][PoC][SotE:HC][SotE:VEA][IOC] Stormtrooper Corps Prefect Shopkeeper - Imperial Center
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 11, 2003 5:18:56 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Yeah, I like the idea of too much info.  I means that you have everything but the story covered, and you can blow everyone away with your storytelling abilities  Yup, I remember that, it was an interesting week... 
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 12, 2003 8:31:12 PM    View the profile of Swomz 
THis is off topic  a bit, but I think Squad XO should be made an official position.  Almost every squad has an XO and so I think it would be a good thing to make it a regular position
 
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February 12, 2003 8:59:00 PM    View the profile of Otto Vox 
It's been talked about before, most of the time nothing gets done about it or they pass it off. But, things are being talked about now. Commanders stuff, you'll hear later, hopefully.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 13, 2003 8:29:08 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Meh, wouldn't have helped me.  Everyone who used to be in the DK remembers that I had two semi-squad leaders.  Putting one of them in an official spot wouldn't have worked too well 
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 13, 2003 1:59:28 PM    View the profile of Fury 
I don't know if its the navy's cultural pollution or what, but the term is "assistant squad leader".  Say it with me... I mean, Argon was at least in the ballpark with the proper gear for the correct game. Anyways, yes, that is one of the many subjects up for discussion in the Commander's Comnet as Otto expressed. So...a slight recap on what I am hearing. 1. Some regimented schedule of AWOL checks.  Plus perhaps some other method than the standard "Yeah, I'm here!" email process. 2.  Road map and activity guidelines (aka the "road map") - doing some work on that for tha ATC right now but I'll take any more input. 3.  Specialties - detailed and with more background info.  Incidentally, this too will be incorporated in the Army Training Center.  4.  Individual vs squad stories.  Basically, if each squad can work independently they can have their own stories.  If there is a lull in activity, work with a couple people or just have a solo story.  Clear this stuff with your SL and PL if you can. Now, let's move on to any other subjects you may have. OH! One more thing.  Just because I asked for feedback does NOT give your guys to right to pester me with PMs on IRC and then be pissed off when I do not answer them.  I did NOT ask for information THERE, I asked for it HERE.  Any other day-to-day info can be run through your chain of command, which usually implies that the aforementioned squad leaders or platoon leaders (in that order) be noted first. It's a bit of an irritation and totally outside of the roles we are all playing at.  I am approachable if you have a serious problem, but I really don't need to attitude I've gotten from one person in particular.  Prove yourself by impressing me by your activity, not by griping about everything you think is wrong.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 13, 2003 8:20:22 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Hey, if you still need it, I can help out with the specialties. BTW, what kind of a position is "assistant squad leader" anyways? 
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 13, 2003 8:36:08 PM    View the profile of Rizzit 
Executive Officer for a squad leader. Like Otto is to me.
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 14, 2003 8:32:19 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Nonono, not the spot, I figured that out pretty quick.  I was wondering who the heck decided not to call them just XO... 
 
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  RE: ICs for your thoughts
February 14, 2003 8:58:32 AM    View the profile of Fury 
Seeing that you have to BE an officer to be and Executive OFFICER, it is pretty much self-explantory that this would normally not work. It's like calling an apple an orange and wondering why everyone thinks you are silly and insipid.
 
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