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Riel Fury
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  RE: Recruiting
February 11, 2002 12:13:00 AM    View the profile of Riel Fury 
I have seen, in the navy at least, that a lot of new recruits don't know what the hell the Vast Empire is about.  There's a problem with that.  I would ask all of you, when you recruit someone, direct them to the About VE link on the main site before they join up, so they know what they're getting into. 
 
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Rear Admiral (L) Riel Fury
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Argon Viper
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  RE: Recruiting
February 11, 2002 12:20:23 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Yeah, I haven't heard a thing from my two newbies, and it's been over a week now...
 
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Raziel
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  RE: Recruiting
February 11, 2002 1:16:11 PM    View the profile of Raziel 
one of the problems is that people are told that we are a clan from my experience of clans that is not what we are at all. We need what we really are to be properly explained to recruits, all of them regardless of division
 
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LoneWolf
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  RE: Recruiting
February 11, 2002 5:45:43 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
Ive told reil me view on this you CANNOT recruit ppl off the zone without them thinking the VE is a clan and if you do certain things must be meet with their needs to stay. you all know that recruiting off the zone really gets us very little progress in keeping active ppl.
 
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Riel Fury
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  RE: Recruiting
February 11, 2002 6:18:01 PM    View the profile of Riel Fury 
Now, I agree to an extent...but have you read the about VE link?  It gives a good synopsis of what the VE is about.  i think that a lot of people who look at it may not be interested, but those that do, will be.
 
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  RE: Recruiting
February 11, 2002 7:23:24 PM    View the profile of Warmaker 
The Problem is, the ppl from the Zone want to play ther games, i talked with a lot ppl on the zone, the most question was "did we get trained?" and well, we play often games here, spezially now in the ESC, but a Clan plays more games and thats what many Zone Guys want in he first place, the join, see that we doesent play that often as they would do and then they are out again, the same happened to my recruit, i recruited him from the zone, he asked me did he get trained, i sayed yes, we would do that and this is btw the truth, but a few days later i saw him again on the zone .. in a Clan now and there he gets what he wanted, 5 clan members was there and trained the new member. when i talk to ppl i try to tell them what we do, not only MP games, but chating, story posting, many are interested and all sayed the Site looks Great, but fact is the most zone guys want to play theyr games at first
 
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  RE: Recruiting
February 11, 2002 7:29:22 PM    View the profile of Red5 
Regarding the link: When I origninally joined VE, it was through mere chance. I was searching for Star Wars fan clubs etc and up came this link that said Vast Empire. Some stuff. Join at www.vastempire.com Well, the stuff said that in VE there was included an online game. I have since learned that this means the member gaming of XvT, XwA, BG, SC, JK, etc. This is a misleading link, my fellow crew. What we need is a game at VE. About VE. Trying to rebuild the Empire. If you've ever played any online games like Dominion (www.kamikazegames.com) or Starkingdoms (www.starkingdoms.com), this is the layout I would propose. As to actual game storyline, I would suggest www.swcombine.com. This is a Star Wars based, graphical RPG. The graphics may be a bit much right now for us, but I believe we could make a massively multiplayer online game, with factions such as the Empire, the Alliance, Smugglers Alliance, Hapes Cluster, etc. Small clans could be forged for those who didn't wish to be a part of the big war. And whereas most games are only a month or two at a time, VE should be ongoing from the start. Those that have been with VE for a time should have that advantage.
 
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LoneWolf
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  RE: Recruiting
February 11, 2002 8:14:06 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
And how would you suggest we get a massive amount of recruits? hope  whole bunch of people join. Plus we can't change the story line were in the only way we could pull a big thing off woudl be moving to the unknown regions and then possible do more drastic things but thats out of hand a bit. what im trying to say is you cant tell everyone not to play the games the got now and say you dont support them. And you also can't get a bigger amount of recruits but off the Zone i garuntee it. Bear was up the right lane awhile back considering seperating gamers from club members. And the reason why i dont recruit on the zone any more is this silly dispute of the VE not being a clan, you make it sound too difficult calling it a club at times. I refused to recruit any more people from the zone filling them up with false lies of training and plenty of people to play with, and i still stand by this. People will look at the sight but the wrong things you put up there they see 200 players not people. all im suggesting is that you change a few things to apeal to other audiences. then once you get a grasps on them one way you can exploit them to the other part of the VE the one you want more people of. adn in the long run you would also get more too.
 
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Warmaker
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  RE: Recruiting
February 11, 2002 9:08:18 PM    View the profile of Warmaker 
Uhhh, what? not more support our Games? well, i know such Graphic RPG Games, we have a good one in Germany www.Galaxywars.de, i must say, its really fun, but i dont give my XWA and sometimes JK up. btw, i agree mostly with LW`s post, yes its right, when they take a look on our Site they see 200 members and think these are all players, first they are really impressed, becouse normal clans have not many members, the most under 30 but when they see that we dont sit the whole day on the zone as other ppl, they go and join a clan
 
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  RE: Recruiting
February 12, 2002 5:46:49 AM    View the profile of Jedi 
Not only that, but mostly the majority of the rooms is one clan. They have a huge impact on the zone. The people see how successful they are, and see how little people we have. They then go to join the other clan instead of us. However, I think that the recruits situation is rediculous. But then again, look how Riel turned out
 
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Bear
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  RE: Recruiting
February 12, 2002 6:30:02 AM    View the profile of Bear 
People have been saying something which can be pretty much summed up like this: The VE's main priority is not multiplayer gaming. That much is obvious. We get far more story writing, graphics design, websites etc done than we do by gaming. Therefore, recruiting off the zone is probably equivalent to flogging a donkey which is already dead.. Also, as regards Riel Fury's comment on recruits not knowing what they're getting into.. there are more reasons than that. One major reason is wrong email addresses. When I was NTO, only about 50% of recruits gave their right email addresses in! There is also the challenge of making them reply, and to stay active. Too often (saying this from my own experience) they know EXACTLY what the VE is about. Why? Because they are long-standing members of another club, looking for a better one! Out of those 50% who had right email addresses, only about 50% of those replied (25% of total), and about 50% of those were members of other clans (12.5% of total), who, in most cases, suddenly did not have time for a new club. That leaves only 12.5% (an eighth) of new recruits as perfect recruits. However, about 50% of those will not reply once having passed basic training (6.25% of total), and 50% of those will have disappeared within a month (leaving about 3% of total). Therfore, out of 100 new recruits, only 3 will turn out to be good members after a month. The solution? Theres two of them. 1) Recruit twice as much. 2) Put in some sort of code to the joining form so it only accepts valid emails. There will be less new recruits, but a higher percentage of them will last longer than a month (6% = 6 out of every 100). Someone also said something about a specific game platform. This is a GOOD idea!!!!! There is an entire SUB-GROUP (about twice the size of the VE, at least) in the Emperor's Hammer which plays a game they made themselves! Ok, its not too advanced, and its web-based, but they have quite a good following.. if anyone has any experience in game design, feel free to try something. I'm sure theres a lot of volunteers around. Assistant Ambassador Bear
 
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Corran
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  RE: Recruiting
February 12, 2002 12:16:37 AM    View the profile of Corran 
My Brother is curently creating a 3-D game engine which me and him will be making a game out of. It will be quite a long time coming out and will be even longer before it has internet support but it was going to be a Star Wars game and i'm sure I could change it into a VE specific game. by the way what there is of it sofar can be found here. It is looking quite promising and will have a level editor so people could make their own levels.
 
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LoneWolf
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  RE: Recruiting
February 12, 2002 5:41:16 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
well bear you mihgt of just kicked your self right in the butt there cuz i was recruited off the zone and was expecting to join a mutliplayer clan. sure i just supported you right there but what i want to point out was that i was RECRUITED OFF THE ZONE! you shouldn't be recruiting there expecting ppl to be as flexible as me. and what im merely suggesting is that we expand our community to other outlets IE: MP. its a small thing to sacrifice and its a way to keep a grasps on those pesky newbies who run away.   ----------------------- WO1 LoneWolf /Aegis 1-2 (Aegis Two)/mSSD Atrus/VEN/VE/(=A=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)[SRC][VC:Ebony] "Its the scared People who dont get anything done" "theres no such thing as luck only skill" "If you have Honor you deserve my respect" -Navy's best pilot-
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  RE: Recruiting
February 12, 2002 9:10:47 PM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
Bear has an excellent point here. A lot of new recruits give me invalid e-mail addresses and a huge majority of them fail to ever reply back to me, even after multiple e-mails. I don't give a damn where you are recruiting people, whether it be the Zone or a bestiality chat room. You still need to make it clear to them WHAT the Vast Empire is. People who are recruited off of the Zone must realize that the VE is more than just a gaming clan. Gaming is a part of it ... but most of us here don't game all too much. Like me - I love gaming, but I just don't have the time (and my connection lags like crazy). Riel is right ... all new recruits should be shown the "About VE" link. I'll go add that to my welcome e-mail right now. I understand where you are coming from Lonewolf, Warmaker. But the VE is so much more than that. If you all want to get gaming more active on here, perhaps you should talk to the people in charge of that. I know that Cosmic is in charge of the VEA for the Zone ... Bear was the VEN's guy - I'm not sure we even have anyone now. It would be nice if the VE could get back into all of the WOWs. The misleading number of members bothered me as well. The NHC (including myself) has done a nice job of trimming down the roster. I am ecstatic to see that the army has followe our lead. If you check out the main site, there are only 90 or so members listed now. One last thing - when new members join, PLEASE say something, anything to them. It makes them feel welcome and also lets them know we care about new members. And I hope most of you do. It also makes us look better when twenty members say hi instead of five. Thanks, everyone. I hope to see a increase in the number of good, loyal recruits in the next few weeks.   ----------------------- NTO/FL/CM Darkhawk/SXO/Aegis 2-1(Aegis Five)/WingOne/SSD Atrus/DEF/VEN/VE/(=A=)(=SA=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)(=FOCE=)[BRC][VC:Ebony]
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LoneWolf
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  RE: Recruiting
February 13, 2002 2:51:46 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
hmmm Dhawk i coulda swore you had pretty much all of bears jobs now... well scince your not claming responsibilyt for gaming who is? and to make it clear im not suggesting or demoting the VE is somethign less than it is im trying to point out that we coudl expand into different areas more, instead of being a bit stuborn.
 
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Riel Fury
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  RE: Recruiting
February 14, 2002 8:33:04 PM    View the profile of Riel Fury 
gah....okay, tell ya what.  We're going to have an open forum for all members of the Vast Empire to attend tomorrow at 8 PM EST (that's Friday).  There, we will discuss recruiting and gaming issues.  All will be heard, but I'll conduct the meeting, since I thought of it :P  This WILL be a formal meeting, however, so wear your best duds.
 
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  RE: Recruiting
February 15, 2002 3:40:16 AM    View the profile of Bear 
I set the WoW up on behalf of Sythspawn. It was then given to TJ, and now..? It's never been the TO's job to sort out multiplayer competitions, and never will be. Its the NCC's and NXO's (and, to an extent, senior command officers). Go and ask them whats happened to it
 
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  RE: Recruiting
February 15, 2002 5:07:42 AM    View the profile of Spartacus 
Bear's percentages are dead on.  I had nearly the same figures when I was the Army's Commander of Training. Something to be noticed is that Star Wars computer games are considerably dated by well over a year. Jedi Knight was released when? 1998?  X-Wing Alliance came out shortly thereafter. Hmm.  Four years ago. Most of the individuals who play these antiquated L.A. games have been bouncing from one ZONE clan to the next for years and have been around the block before they reach the VE.  Old games do  not always provide the best, fervent, "gee-I'm-excited-to-be-playing-this" recruits.  The largest recruitment surges the Vast Empire experienced was always when a new Star Wars game was released by LucasArts and, of course, when The Phantom Menace hit theatres. In terms of recruitment, 2002 is going to be a very important year for the VE. Within two months, Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast will be released. A month after that, EP2: Attack of the Clones hits theaters to cause even more recruitment surges (RS recruitment *quadrupled* when TPM came out).  A few months after that (August), SW: Galaxies will have a public beta test and then around Thanksgiving - Christmas BioWare's Knights of the Old Republic will be released... not to mention the horde of EP2 spin-off games... These will be the first LucasArts SW PC games released in quite a while.  We are kind of fishing for recruits in the middle of a seasonal drought . . . while the spawning season is just around the corner. Pending on how big of a splash Jedi Outcast makes when it hits stores in thirty-sixty days, the VE may catch quite a lot of new fish in the next few months.  Better have the nets ready.   ----------------------- "As you have seen, I am a writer who came of a sheltered life. A sheltered life can be a daring life as well. For all serious daring starts from within." --- Eudora Welty (1909 - 2001)
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  RE: Recruiting
February 15, 2002 12:13:58 AM    View the profile of JMac 
When I joined, I was searching the net for a gaming clan, and was impressed by the site and the number of people in the VE.  The impression the site gave me was that of a highly developed gaming club.  Later I found out about the storyboard and all.  I don't see why we shouldn't expand to new areas as long as we don't forget all of the other aspects.  And I think that the idea of a VE specific online game sounds like a lot iof fun. Well, there's my two cents.  I will try to make the meeting tonight.
 
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  RE: Recruiting
February 15, 2002 12:22:16 AM    View the profile of Warmaker 
a meeting is a good idea, i try also to be there
 
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