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April 11, 2006
2:15:13 PM
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Okay, I was thinking/wondering if it might be a good idea to create seperate divisions for the Navy and for the Starfighter Corps. Hear me out before you yell at me. Throughout the movies, books, etc, these have been seperate divisions. My idea for how it would work is the following:
The Starfighter Corps would be a sub-division of the Navy. It would have it's own ranks, etc. Pilots would start out in the Starfighter Corps and work their way up through that. The Navy would hold all the command-level positions (ie- NHC, NXO, TO, etc). Squadrons would be, as they currently are, Ship Commanders. Wing Commanders would be the highest level in the Starfighter Corps. When it comes time for a person to be promoted out of the Starfighter Corps and into the Navy, they would take an entrance exam and be accepted or denied.
So that was the basic idea, pretty jumbled up. Im not sure how much work it would take or if it would even be worth the work, but let me know what you all think. -----------------------
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April 11, 2006
4:19:00 PM
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I've pondered over similar things in the past. I run up against a few obsticles. First and foremost is simply the issue of numbers. Currently we do not have enough members to be able to sustain the squadrons we have with full active membership. Without being able to reliably fill the current roster it seems unreasonable to expand it by adding more positions. Concurrent to this first issue is the issue of experienced commanders. Logically in the system you suggest, they'd basically be the first people eligable to be moved into the greater 'Navy' division (ie: out of the starfighter corps). However, there are not, honostly, many people who I consider 'ready' to be able to jump into their positions and take over the leadership of the existing squadrons.
The second issue is best paraphrased as something like 'What would they do?' I would guess that they would either make up the commanders or bridge crews of capital ships. I know many longer-standing members of the Navy have expressed interest in postings like this simply to get a change from all the starfighter piloting they've done. Implimenting the system is somewhat more complicated, however. Most bridge crewers are officers and the current ranking system does not easily support a massive number of officers in the membership. Officer are ment to definitively be the leaders of units and to assist me in the overall operation of the Navy. By having them at that rank and simply crewing a ship, in command of few or no other members sort of undermines the sort of priority, respect, and trust I put in those I approve to be promoted to the officer ranks.
So, could this be done? Maybe.
Basically it would require hashing a lot of issues out, probably in some sort of meeting. It would also require a generally higher level of overall activity in the Navy and enough members to more throughly fill out the existing squadrons. I know several, er... we'll call them 'senior' members (some that have been around as long as, or almost as long as, I have been) would -really- like to see something like this. There are enough issues with it that I haven't really ever attempted to actually do it, though some people may remember me mentioning similar things a few times in the last year or so. -----------------------
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April 11, 2006
5:12:47 PM
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"I know several, er... we'll call them 'senior' members (some that have been around as long as, or almost as long as, I have been) would -really- like to see something like this."
Hear hear!
But you're right, there are several issues that would have to be worked out not the least of which is activity. -----------------------
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April 11, 2006
5:25:24 PM
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Well, I suppose we should get recruiting then, eh?  It would be cool if we got enough members and senior/experienced people to be able to do that. -----------------------
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April 11, 2006
5:50:25 PM
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we do get members, new ones come in everyday. But it's not an easy task. Tho you do get awarded medals for recruiting a number of members. -----------------------
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April 11, 2006
5:53:33 PM
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So... maybe we should go out and find more members anyways? -----------------------
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April 11, 2006
7:14:59 PM
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I have been meaning to find out where the core of our recruits come from now in days. I recall back in the day when we'd occasionally we'd leech of off the gaming community but there arent many starfighter games left out there. maybe we should make it a survey question of off the main site... -----------------------
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April 11, 2006
7:48:30 PM
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I fully encourage you all to do all of the recruiting that you can. -----------------------
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April 11, 2006
11:33:12 PM
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I imagine some of the recruits come from the websites that we see in the pay-per-click section. -----------------------
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April 12, 2006
5:05:20 AM
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most recruits come from those sites, not many are actually recruited by rl friends. although Nazgul squadron's doing a good job on that, 5, i think, of their squadron are within 50 miles of each other. -----------------------
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April 12, 2006
4:04:54 PM
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Hrm... Darius, Jaden and I all went to the same high school and both Dar and Jaden still do- I met Jen at a camp like three or four years ago and Toki is her sister who both Dar and I have met. Crimson is actually a freind of Jen's but I think he's pretty much gone for the time being. So yea- we do okay
As for where our recruits come from? For the most part is "Top List" and "Word of mouth" although I'd say about 15-30 percent of the people who come in are gamers or atleast they heard from gaming servers. The people who actually stay? I'm thinkin word of mouth... So what's that mean? Tell your freinds about us Lol, but freinds inside and outside of the internet are what I mean by that. You'd be surprised how people pick up on this site- I found it on a top_100. I think and I just thought the graphics were awesome so I stayed That makes a fine point though-
While we may not seem to have the members to support such a proposal, the very proposal put to use may attract the numbers you suggest. A bit outlandish, but we've done so before- the new academy is a prime example. Also, through the new system we can weed out the ones who won't stay or don't seem very reliable so the people who actually do join us will stay and we will only grow. Some issues still need to be addressed like a better way to keep track of ourselves, but hopefully that will be better controlled through individual leadership from the Flight Leads all the way through the CoC.
I spoke for quite some time with Art the other day about this and both he and I would like to see this go through in one way or another, but if we want to do it- we need to know. If we can implement it into the training system, or atleast know about it ahead of time, we'll be able to save a lot of time and backstrokes. Actually- Heth: d'you think you'd be around about six or sevenish central time tomarrow? Well- Thursday or Friday I should say. I think I'll be able to get on, and if Art can be there as well, that'd be excellent. Lemme know.
Thankyou for allowing me to ramble; Rock On.
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April 12, 2006
4:12:42 PM
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I found this on Google. :-p "Star Wars gaming clubs" Anyways, as for word of mouth, my friends would be sorely tempted to beat me if they found out I was part of a club based on a fictional universe that writes and (on occassion, or so I hear) plays video games. They already think I play video games too much in general, and being a 19-year old professional doesn't allow me too much free time since I have more to prove then a college graduate. I've ditched them a couple of times already to write those Flight School things lol. Anyways, back to work. -----------------------
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April 12, 2006
8:57:58 PM
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I should be able to make it Shaz. -----------------------
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April 13, 2006
12:55:07 AM
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I noticed something when I was looking at the PayScale on the roster, which was positions with the title "Elite". What is the purpose of these? -----------------------
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April 13, 2006
3:01:40 AM
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lol, you see back in the day when squadrons used to be numerous and active the navy would hold a special competition called the Elite Squadron Competition (ESC) it would be a fierce competition where squdrons would have to perform certain tasks in activity. the squadron which won the competition would then be updated into Elite status and would be paid as an elite (crewman, flight leader, commander, etc) the squadron would then usually hold that title for a year and then the ESC would start all over again ontop of the nicer pay the squadrons also recieved nicer equipment and braging rights.
ah the good old days... -----------------------
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April 13, 2006
9:21:03 AM
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If we get more recruits the ESC could return... -----------------------
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April 13, 2006
9:57:30 AM
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I think that it is a great idea about the Starfighter Corps. I have been trying to bring in some of me mates but they are not so sure about it, but I did bring in one of me pals Gentiale from the Storm Trooper Corps he joined and he enjoys it as do I enjoy being here. so I am going to keep on trying to get me mates to join here. -----------------------
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April 14, 2006
1:00:49 PM
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Yeah, a bunch of Nazgulians are from the same area. I`m from the middle of no where .
I actually found this site on one of those 'top 100' sites. I had been searching for a new forum to RP on after my old one closed down due to inactivity. Oh well, it wa badly orginized, but was fun none the less.
Oh well..nothing relating to your idea in this post;... -----------------------
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