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Talon
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  What do you want?
November 12, 2004 2:08:17 AM    View the profile of Talon 
What would you guys like to see in Chapter 8 and 9? Stay on topic with this because it's a serious question. Also, if you have an idea but feel constricted by the EU (expanded universe) storyline, don't worry. Throw it out here anyway. We might be able to adapt it.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 12, 2004 2:10:47 AM    View the profile of Liquid 
I want to see another DJM become the ruler of the universe, preferably me, but another will do
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 12, 2004 2:32:46 AM    View the profile of Cosmic 
I'd actually think it'd be interesting to have a New Republic version of General Grievous.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 12, 2004 3:50:53 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Hmm a bit more interactivity and possibly some less faceless enemies. If i understand it we're not on good grounds with Thrawn? A rumble with Thrawns force's would be awsome

Could we maybe take one of the stories from Zahn's trilogies and mess up Thrawn's plans?
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 12, 2004 9:24:51 AM    View the profile of Rizzit 
Well, I'd like to see us seriously take a pause from this (doesnt have to actually effect the storyline: just stop the posting for a bit), then resume it after the holidays. A lot of my troopers are asking for a HSC, and I'd like to honor that if possible.

As far as the storyline goes, I'd maybe like to see us doing more than fight rebels (or new republic troops) whatever you want to call them now The New Republic must have allies by now, wouldn't they be involved in this? That's all from me, I'll post more if I think of anything.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 12, 2004 9:52:32 AM    View the profile of chipmunk man 
If we could get the new Navy recruits out of training they might be able to start posting...

/me pokes Liquid.

By the way Liquid, your phones aren't working. I tried your house and cell.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 12, 2004 11:14:05 PM    View the profile of Afyon 
A more realistic plot line, in all honesty I don't see how we can realistically claim that we can beat the NR back and then take Coruscant.  I mean to me that really doesn't make sense and is a bit of a stretch.

I'd also like to see maybe an all out ground war, our tanks vs their tanks, our aircraft vs their aircraft, and fight it out for a city or something.  Something along those lines would be a nice change I think.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 12, 2004 11:28:50 PM    View the profile of Talon 
You're not taking into account our NPCs. Right now the NR isn't very strong. While the idea does stretch the VE thin, it's still "possible."
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 12, 2004 11:45:53 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Besides, we have an adrenaline boost and the want to take back what is ours. We have a reason to give us a boost, whereas the NR have only the thought of defending themselves.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 13, 2004 10:23:21 AM    View the profile of Shazam 
We need some seriously detailed examinations of the places we go into no matter what it is we decide to go, creates a better understanding of whats going on and allows us to go around where we want but have everyone understand whats going on as well... 

We could always bring out our allies, whoever they are, and have a good battle one some planet.  Perhaps a really huge battle?  But that makes it hard on the details, so reletivelly smaller battles would be good.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 13, 2004 1:59:31 PM    View the profile of Giovanni Bryden 
How bout an assasination plot? Those are always fun.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 14, 2004 10:41:15 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Someone call for ...? oh assassin-ation plot, yeah those are good
I'd like to see the threads not last as long as chap 8 long. Seriously i feel that it's gone on far too long.
It makes it hard to go back and read a coherent story, it doesnt give squads the time to break new troops in gently and it makes it a bit harder for everyone to follow on.
IMHO i think we should either keep each chapter a bit shorter, or split it into threads for sub-chapters.


 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 14, 2004 2:33:36 PM    View the profile of Fury 
Well, to be completely honest, this shouldn't have taken any longer than a month.

As most of you longer served members know, squad coordination and interaction should be quick and cohesive.  I really want to get back to that as soon as possible with our writing. 

This mission should have been a three phase insertion, coordination, and assault op.  Instead it came piecemeal.  We have a lot of work to do on that front.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 14, 2004 2:56:08 PM    View the profile of Anubis 
I'd like to see us go up against a dark jedi warlord.  I'd also like to see a battle between our forces and Thrawn's.  The New Republic...hmm, that depends.  Will an attack by us overshadow Thrawn, that is something we must attempt to avoid.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 14, 2004 3:01:41 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
I think we should have the story reflect the status of the VE as a whole. I'm not trying to sound negative but for example have the navy suffer some critical losses, maybe put us on a very ill pressed defense where we might loose something for being spread too thin. I just think stories sound more interseting if theres actually a struggle and not a snug feeling of victory being there. well those are my two cents for now.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 14, 2004 9:17:01 PM    View the profile of Talon 
When a fleet doesn't do anything in a fight they are open targets. When our fleet does nothing in a fight, they get shot up. Expect to be missing a few cap ships soon, VEN.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 15, 2004 1:55:22 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 15, 2004 4:46:12 AM    View the profile of Japheth 
I can account for all of them :P
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 15, 2004 6:53:25 AM    View the profile of Talon 
Heh, nice try. It's not your fault Japh. The Navy just isn't interested in our story I guess.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 15, 2004 12:54:35 AM    View the profile of Afyon 
I think Lonewolf makes an excellent point.  In every VE story I've participated in, I can't recall us ever losing.  We are a small group, it should be expected that we can lose badly, get pounded back and be forced to flee.  That would at least be realistic at times.  Just going in and winning battle after battle is stupid, unrealistic, and quite frankly boring.  I think its about time we start losing some battles and looking like a normal army, the rebels aren't mindless, untrained troopers.  They have a damn good army too, perhaps we should actually give them some respect and credit and LOSE to them occasionally.

This again goes back to my point that this entire chapter is unrealistic.  Sure we can create thousands of NPCs and we have the desire to take back what is the empire's, but I seriously think that this is a real stretch of the imagination.  Especially if you want to accomplish this in a chapter.  Now maybe ten chapters of slaughter where we lose many battles and win some battles and accomplish objectives slowly.  That might look slightly reasonable.  But unless we start looking like a human army I seriously think this entire mission is going to look ridiculous once we finish it and look back on it.

I know that may not be a popular view but you did ask for our opinions.  The story needs a serious injection of realism and its about damn time we start taking serious casualties and get the crap beaten out of us on occasion.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 15, 2004 3:44:06 PM    View the profile of Talon 
I guess it goes unnoticed when I mentioned that there will be lost battles in this chapter should activity drop. I never said that perfect activity would mean you win either. Give it time, twink.. err, Art.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 15, 2004 4:23:30 PM    View the profile of Anubis 
/me pokes Talon

It's already happening, look at Wraith.  Our activity has dropped greatly from what it was a few months ago, and so we had to pull off of our Coruscant mission.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 15, 2004 4:28:03 PM    View the profile of Phoenix 
"A more realistic plot line, in all honesty I don't see how we can realistically claim that we can beat the NR back and then take Coruscant.  I mean to me that really doesn't make sense and is a bit of a stretch"

Thousands of NPCs, a couple dozen dark Jedi (including two masters who would make Luke look like a jedi in a diaper) a mSSD, an eSSD, two big fleets (off and def) and you think its unrealistic that we WIN? Art look at the planets we've been hitting. Backwater, ill equipped places. THe troops there would be stupid and green. If you read nay of the books you'd know at around this time Ackbar is being brought to trial for treason, Thrawn is distracting almost all the NR attention, and Fey'la is causing a ruckus in the senate.

The NR is weak right now, nor are we taking on the best it has to offer. Losing to a bunch of ill-supplied grunts on Bestine, Yag D'hul and Moorja would have been unrealistic for us.

Now for what I'd like to see is a break. Bestine was a long campaign, and our troops should be pretty haggard and beat up from it. We COULD roll the HSC into the storyline, by giving each squad minor stories such as: assassinations, kidnappings, sabotage, terrorism, theivery, espioange, recon work...stuff we can use in the chapter, but is a nice change of pace.

That and get some damn gaming going. (that means fish needs to get those JO servers back up )
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 15, 2004 7:05:28 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
In all honesty i think our fleet should compose of nothing more than our SSD, a couple of SD's, and a couple more VSD's at that. The point is not that the NR is ripe for the plucking, but rather we fit ourselves into the story, we need to be weaker, i think there would be a higher mentioning of courscant being taken over by a rag tag imperial group too. What would realistically be able to happen, seige courscant, get our arses wooped. take control of courscant... not without very heavy casualties, and not without getting burned on the way out, as well as holding it for probably no longer than a day or two at most, IF we could even get it.
I think that the last chapter began to illustrate a crucial weakness in the vast empire if we continue down that route; over ambitious ventures.
we should loose  a few planets, have a chunk taken out of us. It would be alot more intersting if the Vast Empire was struggling just to keep her forces together rather than being the invincible victor.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 15, 2004 7:34:15 PM    View the profile of Afyon 
"Thousands of NPCs, a couple dozen dark Jedi (including two masters who would make Luke look like a jedi in a diaper) a mSSD, an eSSD, two big fleets (off and def) and you think its unrealistic that we WIN?"

No it isn't when you have a PAIR of SSD's which we shouldn't have to begin with.  I mean I know why we have the Atrus and no one is going to argue against having it.  But seriously maybe a couple of smaller run down ships coupled with trying to keep the SSD together would be a hell of a lot more realistic.  I think its ridiculous how many NPCs we make up in order to go on such unrealistic campaigns to destroy the NR by ourselves.  We should stick to a much smaller scope, picking our victories where we can, getting our asses slaughter on occasion, and working towards keeping the fleet together.  I think it is proposterous how we create these massive imaginary fleets, I mean how realistic is it for an imperial faction to have 2 SSDs.  I fail the see any form of realistic claim to that.

2 big fleets, again, maybe one small fleet struggling to survive with some ground troops would fit us a lot more.  To be perfectly honest I see this campaign as pure God-modding in the story.  Sure we are hitting backwater planets but doesn't that stretch us out just a bit?  Where do we get our ammunition supplies, etc.  Perhaps we should write more about our struggles and our loses (by the way, we should be fighting for our lives to survive not just make up thousands of NPCs to have some stupid glory mission to take back Coruscant).

I know that may sound harsh and very critical but I think we are really taking the NPC and power creations to an extreme and it borders upon ridiculous.  Any larger group that does writing would laugh upon our efforts to make up this huge army and navy to take back Coruscant ourselves.  You asked what we want.  I personally want us to cut our fleet by almost 90%, reduce our NPCs to maybe 1000 with equipment stolen or tanks patched together, fighting to keep the faction alive against the NR.  We are a small group, let's stick to missions we can realistically do without inventing divisions out of the sky that we don't have and shouldn't have.  We should be struggling, winning a battle here and losing one there.  Fighting the NR but trying to maintain our very stretched out and tired forces.  Lets act like the small group we are and fight and struggle like one instead of inventing mass armies and fleets which are ridiculous even to contemplate.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 16, 2004 4:17:17 AM    View the profile of Talon 
Again.. I guess you didn't read my notes/plans for the chapter. *sighs and cracks his knuckles* One of the things I stressed was that we would need help to make it. It would be a long hard push to the Core and if we overestimated our sway with other groups we'd be dead. You keep saying our forces are huge, but you failed to pay attention to just who we're sending out there. WHERE'S THE DAMN ESSD? Tard. It's still in the shipyards. We've got too few people defending our home and only a moderate sized fleet attacking. I even mentioned that we've got ships waiting to be manned and we can't pump out the pilots to fill them. Pay a-fscking-ttention! Also keep in mind that we don't follow EU to the letter. We stretch what we have to to make things work.

If you have anything useful or constructive to add, please do so. Please check your facts before you type next time. If you want to point out flaws, make sure you're pointing at the right thing.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 16, 2004 11:15:05 AM    View the profile of Afyon 
My point was, why the hell do we have an ESSD.  The fact that we claim to have these massive fleets, even if we say we have a severe lack of staff to crew them and a shortage of pilots, none the less its absurd to make these claims of ships.  I know we have to have the m/SSD, but other than that I think we should completely eliminate all other ships from the fleet save maybe 5-10 smaller ships that arefalling apart.  The fleets as it stands list a ridiculous number of ships and just makes a small group like us look silly.

A moderate sized fleet attacking?  We shouldn't realistically even have those ships, only good thing is from what I gather, half of them are going to be destroyed which is a very good thing.  Also, how can a small group like us claim to have the materials to produce these ships, buy all these guns for the troops, etc.  We obviously invent a large number of commercial and industrial facilities in order to have the economic means to pay for allof this and acquire the materials to build all of this.  Apparently we have tens of thousands of made of people, more like hundreds of thousands.  You asked what I want, I personally want us to slash everything in VE and make it maybe 1% the size it is now in order to add some element of realism to this.  Our inventions are rather proposterous.  The attacking fleet and army we sent out is already a serious stretch of the imagination.

For realism, I'd like stories about us trying to build and acquire commericla outposts, intercepting pirates and rebels to gain resources, trying to find pieces to keep our run down machines, etc.  Stories that look like we are struggling and trying to find the means to keep the fight going.  Not just slash and burn fights.  Let's add the detail to these stories, the behind the scenes stuff which could help explain how we can manage to even have 1% of VE's force.  I think that is VE's flaw in the story, too much God-modding style fighting with thousands of NPC's, and not enough about how we are fighting to maintain what we have as a small imperial faction.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 16, 2004 1:20:04 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
I for one agree with art on this.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 16, 2004 2:52:36 PM    View the profile of Phoenix 
Never going to happen art, so just stop with the ranting. We control what? 4 systems of planets. A planet has a crapload of people and a crapload of resources You think we cant get several thousand NPC's out of those planets? Nor enough resources to build ships?

REALITY CHECK FOR YOU ART.

This is not Earth. You are trying to make us look like Ethiopia, when in reality we are someplace like England in terms of military strength. We aren't some backwater, disorganized, patchwork POS military. We are not "a rag-tag group." If you knew EU (which we have repeatedly said we will deviate from since what fun is it to know we lose in 20 some odd years)

As for our fleets, why shouldn't we have a moderate sized attack fleet? Read the damn DJO storyline. There was 1 ISD and one VSD defending OUR CAPITAL PLANET and the VSD belonged to the Order, not the Navy. We took almost the entire defensive fleet and made it into our "moderate sized attack fleet."

Like Tal said. Check your facts before you open your trap.

My constructive things to say:

1) Get the JO server back up and create a staff of ops to always be on to protect it.
2) Change the Army recruiting staff to "on-commission" We dont recruit, we don't get paid.
3) Open up new squadrons in the Navy


P.S. Art if you are so disgruntled about the way we run things, then do us all a favor and leave.
 
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  RE: What do you want?
November 16, 2004 3:24:10 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
Phoenix i believe that you are walking a VERY fine line, if you cannot respect other members then should not say anything offensive. We're here to have fun, not to give crap to fellow members. If your going to do the Vast Empire credit be courtesy or shut your trap. the purpose of this thread is to DISCUSS possabilites, not to bite each other heads off. I believe you can relay what your believe without attacking art.
 
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