Gee Fallen, when you get some fanatical punk saying its okay for some guy to lie to the world and disrespect the very troops he puts in harm's way, that's called a piss poor situation. And I will call them as I see them and its cool with me that you don't understand that. Just don't twist the situation into one where I'm supposedly unpatriotic or something.

Seeing as you can sit at your computer and be entirely safe of the possibility of seeing friends and families killed not just because of bad orders, but because of positively falsified orders, may seem to be cake to you. Just some pictures on the television interrupting your favorite sit-com.

I'm just tired of people backing a guy who basically has commited murder for the sake of avenging a grudge of his father's. When someone comes up with a more plausible reason than that, let me know, because freeing the Iraqi people could've been done for more than a few decades and nobody ever cared to do so then, and it didn't appear to be a prime motivator at this point in time either.

Yes, my brother signed up for the job.  As a cook in an air defense guard unit, but okay, he can carry an SMG if they tell him to.  But to potentially waste those lives on a lie is a sick joke at best.  If he were being sent to Afghanistan, Haiti, hell, anywhere else, I wouldn't be having this much of a problem.  I'd be worried, but not incensed.

But thank you for trying to make it look like I don't understand my brother's duties and obligations to his country.  Much appreciated.
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Consider the pithy comments retracted then.
 
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Blind, deaf, and dumb?  I'm seeing a great deal of mean-spirited accusations here, and not a bit to back it up.  Lesse, where to begin?

First off, before I even begin to debate this issue, how about we cut the personal comments!  We are talking about incredibly important issues here, and this has degenerated into a bunch of name calling.  I am hardly racist, not quite sure where that came up, I'm not GOP, I will be voting in this coming election as a registered independent, I'm hardly uninformed, etc. etc.  There is no need to come down to this level.

Now that that rant is over with, onto the actual issues.  Could you please reat what lies Bush supposedly said?  I haven't seen any so far.  Lied about WMDs?  No, he had intel that may not have best, but it hasn't been proven yet that he was wrong about that?  Onto creating jobs.  The economy is coming back up, we just had one of the best periods of growth ever, and there is still plenty of time before he said the jobs would be there.  Things are looking good in that department.  He is giving more money to education.  Where are the lies, exactly.  Here is another proven Kerry lie, just for fun.

"I'm pretty tough on Castro, because I think he's running one of the last vestiges of a Stalinist secret police government in the world."  "And I voted for the Helms-Burton legislation to be tough on companies that deal with him." 

Kerry was actually one of I believe ten senators that voted AGAINST IT.

And how about how the man cannot stay on one side of an issue.

http://www.kerryquotes.com/flipflops.htm
 
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Viva el gato mojado!!!!

As a great man once said, here, is where you are.

Hmm...yep, another dumb move.  Though he, once again, liked the original bill in committee. Which, if you've ever followed a congressional member, is usually all they ever crow about anyways.  They claim to sponsor/support a bill but rarely are as happy with the final product.  Still pretty dumb.

I don't have the time to tackle the Bush lies part as I have to go to work and do a newspaper interview too.  Bush we'll start with the partisan sites as you guys opened the gates on that again:

Site 1

Site 2

And a quick overview on job creation since the 1920s:

President                        Rate of Job Gain/Loss (annual)
Roosevelt (1933-45)        5.3
Johnson (1963-69)          3.8
Carter (1977-81)              3.1
Truman (1945-53)            2.5
Clinton (1993-2001)        2.4
Kennedy (1961-63)          2.3
Nixon (1969-74)              2.2
Reagan (1981-89)            2.1
Coolidge (1923-29)          1.1
Ford (1974-77)                1.1
Eisenhower (1953-61)      0.9
G. Bush (1989-93)            0.6
G.W. Bush (2001-present) -0.7
Hoover (1929-33)            -9.0

If I make a million dollars and want to pay no taxes, I'll vote GOP.  But expecting them to create a job for me is obviously not a realistic expectation.

 
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Where I live has actually been bad enough to actually oust rural parts of Mississippi as the highest unemployment rate in the nation.

Why is the unemployement rate gone down?

I know why it has in my area, it's not because people have gotten jobs.  It is because a lot of people have gotten cut off from unemployment and thus aren't a part of the calculation that determines the percentage of unemployed.

Odds are in other areas it's the same story.

The tax breaks to the rich haven't created any new jobs in my area, in fact just recently there was a huge lay off of retail people.

What our economy seems to have forgotten is that it takes people being employed and spending money on things to make other companies make money and hire more people to keep up with the demand.  Instead the status quo has been raise prices and lay off people and give tax breaks to people who really don't need them and won't be likely to spend the extra money.

Is it Bush Jr's fault?  The tax cuts were his idea but the rest nah.

WMDs don't need to eat, breath, drink, hang out with thier friends or go nuts, or talk to thier family.  Considering all the time Bush Jr was spending trying to get international support the WMDs could have been so well hidden that we'll not find them for decades to come.

As far as freeing the Iraqi people yes we could have done that the first time around but back then Iran was a bigger threat then Iraq and Iraq was able to keep Iran in check, or at least that is the propeganda that was spewed out at the time.

Now I don't care for either Kerry or Bush Jr, I totally agree that there was no reason to the timing of this war other then to prove that he could show up his father and settle an old grudge.  Afghanastan I could live with because they pretty much admitted that they at least knew where Osama was hiding but were not going to give him up.

Even if the oil fields in Iraq are in the hands of Iraqis it still benifits American oil companies.  Why?  Oil is a limited resource, so by letting someone else exaust thier supply it makes what you have more valuable.

Now I am going to resume my deliberations on a replacement for Clint Eastwood as my ideal president and when I finally come up with someone I'll let you all know.
 
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