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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 24, 2002 6:35:48 PM    View the profile of JMac 
What is your take on the idea of paying "African Americans" money to make up for the years of slavery in  America?   ----------------------- EFM/PO2 JMac/Aegis 3-4/Aegis 12/(=A=)(=SA=)(MC1) "In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God." - Braveheart Aegis 4ever!!!
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 24, 2002 9:14:14 PM    View the profile of Merrick 
It would create the exact same problem we have here in australia. Our 'natives' basically have legal immunity as well as being paid just for being a different race.
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 24, 2002 9:30:40 PM    View the profile of Threeof4 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 25, 2002 6:30:46 PM    View the profile of JMac 
What do you mean, 3?
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 26, 2002 10:01:50 AM    View the profile of Swomz 
I think they should get paid wages for the time that their ancestors work, but that would be so friggin hard to figure out
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 26, 2002 10:51:18 AM    View the profile of Bear 
Now that the UK has a universal minimum wage (£3.80 an hour), I will be writing to the government demanding money my ancestors did not get in the Industrial Revolution, as they were working for 2 shillings and a groat You can't give money to people because your ancestors hurt their ancestors. The best you can do is posthumously award them something, such as.. I don't know.. citizenship and all the free rights of the United States. And make a public apology to everyone affected. Then, of course, stop thinking about their wallets and go and do something about stopping it happening in the Third World.
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 27, 2002 8:37:09 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Hehehe, my turn to write an opinion on this. "Head for the hills!!!"  My opinion is simple, no one alive was ever a slave, but many of them still suffer discrimination. However, for that, we need to start an outreach program or something, paying them will only make it worse...  But, while people die, governments remain. In that spirit, what we should do is pay the governments of the African nations in return for the people who were taken from them as slaves. This would(first of all) finally erase that debt that we definitely owe to someone(no amount of time can erase war crimes or crimes against humanity, UN mandate), and it would assist those 3rd world nations. Enjoy 
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 28, 2002 3:22:38 AM    View the profile of Bear 
Don't forget that some of those third world countries have very corrupt governments.. My dad works in Nigeria, and he says that for every dollar of tax paid, only about 10 cents makes it into the countrys treasury - the rest is pocketed. Furthermore, a few African countries still use slavery of their own people. What would be the point of paying corrupt governments (who probably took over the country by force, so shouldn't be there anyway), when those governments won't spend it on the people, and when it'll all go straight back into slavery? Although, I do agree, thats a far better idea than giving it to individuals
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 28, 2002 6:22:16 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
The pink elephant raises some good points    One thing we should be doing is trying to replace these dictatorships with working democracies.  In that way, we could start to pay off our debts 
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 28, 2002 8:05:08 PM    View the profile of JMac 
Why should we be paying African governments for the loss of their people?  The slave hunting parties that you often hear about actually happened very rarely.  What happened was this.  ZOne African nation fought another.  They took prisoners.  They used those prisoners as slaves.  they then sold their slaves to us and other nations.  They have already been payed.  If any slave stilled lived today, I would say, sure, pay him.  But there aren't.  What you have now is a community of whiney people who's leaders have thinking that they are owed handouts based on what their ancestors endured. 
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 29, 2002 3:12:52 PM    View the profile of MegaDeth 
Pay African Americans for the suffering and oppression that this generation or for that reason the PREVIOUS had no part in???? I say get over it, they have more friggin rights than white males nowadays, more scholarship programs, Affirmative Action, gimme a break. I for one had no part in that, so why should my tax dollars be shelled out to them for what happened to their great great great great grandfather??? They need to move on and quit whining, stop feeling sorry for themselves and make a good life for themselves, it not impossible nowadays.....   "Boo Hoo"
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 29, 2002 9:38:25 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
JMac, look onto the fact that I mentioned there about governments.  The US government is the institution that funded the slave trade(or at least, allowed it to be funded), so they need to pay in some way at the very least.  I don't care how, but the fact is that the statute of limitations on "crimes against humanity"(which this definitely was) states that no amount of time is too long to demand repairations as long as the offending party still exists.  In this case(The US government no less) still does.  Therefore, by international law, we owe repairations to someone.  I don't care to who, but they need to be paid.
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 30, 2002 7:13:17 PM    View the profile of JMac 
When will the Irish be paid for the brutality shown them by the British during the potato famine.  When will China, Russia, and all of Europe be repaid for what the mongolians did to them.  Should the descendents of the Arabs who were attacked by the crusaders be paid for what happened to them.  How about Constantinople?  Will the Spanish be repaid for what happened to them during the Inquisition?  They need to get over it.  the US government didn't even do anything to encourage slaves.  The governments of the former slaves were the ones that sold them, not the US government.  Will they be made to pay.  If any slaves were still living today then fine, let them be paid.  But there aren't!  These people need to get a grip and get over it. 
 
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  RE: Slave Reparations
May 30, 2002 9:32:25 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
JMac, the answer to all those is "the same time the US owns up for slavery and the anti-Indian crusade that they did encourage".  The simple fact is that these acts will probably never have their debts repaid, but that doesn't change the fact that, by international law(law that the US and almost every nation on Earth have agreed to abide by), they should be made to pay.  That's my point, not that they will pay.  I agree that the descendents should not get a d*mned thing, they didn't suffer through jack(it's like getting something in a will, but I won't start on that  ).  However, the nations or groups involved(if they still exist, Mongolia is not the nation that conquered Russia or China, that nation was the Huns/Mongols, slightly different, but different none the less) should still be made to make up for their actions in some way.
 
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May 31, 2002 1:06:49 PM    View the profile of Bear 
JMac, there are still slaves in the world. The UN's last estimate put the number of slaves in the world at around TWENTY FIVE MILLION. They are "employed" in India, making rugs, in Thailand, making more rugs, in China, making even more rugs (political dissidents are put into "labour camps". Making them slaves). Most of the Far East has huge numbers of slaves.. the rug trade is booming I agree with MD. We should stop moaning about the past and do something to safeguard our childrens futures. Remember that number. Twenty Five Million.
 
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May 31, 2002 3:12:10 PM    View the profile of JMac 
i'm with that.  When I said there weren't any living slaves, i was speaking strictly on the motion to pay all African Americans money for slavery that used to go in in this country.  Sorry for the misconception.
 
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May 31, 2002 5:44:47 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Well, I though of a way that those nations could pay their debt in the realm of slavery  (If you are unsure what it is, read the last two posts    )
 
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May 31, 2002 6:34:31 PM    View the profile of JMac 
Judging by what is happening right now, pretty soon India and Pakistan will both be glowing craters.  They haven't launched yet, but they are really, really close.  The USA is about to evac civ and military from areas nearby.
 
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May 31, 2002 11:16:36 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Wouldn't surprise me.  I'm just amazed that they didn't accuse each other of 9/11 and just nuke it out there...  j/k, I think that they might have more control than that.  The simple idea is MAD, and neither of them wants to die, they're nations, not just random martyrs 
 
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June 1, 2002 8:28:36 AM    View the profile of Bear 
Yeh, Pakistan and India are testing their nukes.. To "test" them, they let them off where theres no people.. To "use" them, they let them off where there are people.. Its very technical, apparently Of course, its pretty hilarious. Theres about 1,300,000,000 (1.3 billion) people in India and Pakistan.. they could all be fried by Monday.. ..and all George Bush worries about is his beloved "War on Terror". He wants to stop Bin Laden & Co getting nukes, but does nothing about a couple of nuclear powers?
 
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June 1, 2002 8:48:13 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Of course, if Bin Laden could get nukes, he would've gotten them years ago, when the former USSR's security was at its weakest    As far as I'm concerned, this "war on terror" has turned into another "war on drugs", we spend money on it, but no one cares enough to make it really work.
 
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June 1, 2002 2:07:00 PM    View the profile of MegaDeth 
Argon, you're brilliance truly amazes me, just wanted to let you know that........................Am I being Sarcastic????? "Bad MegaDeth, BAD!!!" /me slaps my own fingers...
 
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June 1, 2002 9:13:26 PM    View the profile of JMac 
Aargon, that whole area is in chaos right now.  They can nukes easily enough.  Bear, what can we do with India and Pakistan that we haven't already done?
 
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June 2, 2002 9:19:59 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Hey JMac, you've got someone to back you up    Anyways, my point is simply that, if nuclear war breaks out, bin Laden has lost one of his prime areas of support.  As for stealing nukes, this is the last time he'll be getting any.  Wanna know why?  Here goes. You're a military commander in Pakistan who has control of three nukes.  First off, these nukes give you a lot of power, and you aren't going to let one go easily.  Second off, India's sitting just around the block ready to nuke you, you're gonna want to respond.  Third off, just having the nukes means that you might not get nuked.  The Indians might just make a deal with you and only nuke Islamabad. That's why he's not likely to get anything out of this.
 
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June 3, 2002 1:00:40 PM    View the profile of JMac 
I know Osama won't be gaining anything on this.  he will more then likely be killed by this, if he isn't already dead.  And yes, it is nice to have SOMEONE finally agree with me.
 
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