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Sniping101
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  Mary Sue.
July 25, 2011 1:55:43 PM    View the profile of Sniping101 
Sometimes I just want to slap you folks.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 25, 2011 3:37:45 PM    View the profile of Decembrist 
Have I been a bad boy?...
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 25, 2011 3:57:36 PM    View the profile of Aeos 
http://www.katfeete.net/writing/marysue.html
Quote:Aeos is only a little like you. She isn't really very cool: she blends into crowds, she hangs out on the fringes at parties, and wearing shades after dark makes her run into things. She may have sometimes thought that she was special, or destined for greater things, but probably dismissed the idea as a fantasy. She's had more than her fair share of hard knocks, and probably spends more time than she ought moaning about it. And she's gotten no slack from you.

In general, you care deeply about Aeos, but you're smart enough to let her stand on her own, without burdening her with your personal fantasies or propping her up with idealization and over-dramatization. Aeos is a healthy character with a promising career ahead of her.

And another one :P
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 25, 2011 4:09:48 PM    View the profile of Valthir 
I got the same exact result as you, Ae. I didn't take the second one though
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 25, 2011 4:18:48 PM    View the profile of Skarr 
Using Aeos's site.
Quote:Skarr is suspiciously similar to you as you'd like to be. He isn't really very cool: he blends into crowds, he hangs out on the fringes at parties, and wearing shades after dark makes him run into things. There's never been anything special about him that he could see; boy, is he in for a surprise. He's got no emotional scars to speak of. And you've been sparing with the free handouts: whatever he gains, he's worked for.

In general, you care deeply about Skarr, but you're smart enough to let him stand on his own, without burdening him with your personal fantasies or propping him up with idealization and over-dramatization. Skarr is a healthy character with a promising career ahead of him
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 25, 2011 9:49:08 PM    View the profile of Corvin 
Got one similar to Aeos with the warning that I might be at risk of drifting too far from my character's POV; Mary Sue "tests" only go so far though.

To be honest, I think part of the problem is the inherent nature of the Vast Empire. Events happen as we write them, and it's up to individual writers and overseers to make sure they happen realistically/ in a way to make a good story. The fact of the matter is,  unexpected events are inherently less likely for such a format, barring something truly unusual. It's up to everyone to make it a good story with twists and turns.

As for Corvin, I suppose you could level accusations of being a Mary Sue at him. He's survived against the odds, but that's despite his best efforts. His recklessness, blind belief in the Empire and before that procedure (until recently), and general bluntness work against him regularly as well as for him. He's been injured because of this, severely, and made mistakes. His background's nothing to speak of: a backwater farm world, and doesn't come up much.

In his current state of character development, he's traded one set of beliefs for another: "got religion" so to speak, and his previous affiliations, assets, and convictions won't help much.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 26, 2011 8:29:53 AM    View the profile of Jager 
38 on that second one, mainly because at one point or another Jager's been a pirate, an outlaw, a bandit and a bounty hunter. That really hurt it.

Quote:Jager Luth is nothing like you. He isn't really very cool: he blends into crowds, he hangs out on the fringes at parties, and wearing shades after dark makes him run into things. There's never been anything special about him that he could see; boy, is he in for a surprise. He's had more than his fair share of hard knocks, and probably spends more time than he ought moaning about it. And he's gotten no slack from you.

In general, you care deeply about Jager Luth, but you're smart enough to let him stand on his own, without burdening him with your personal fantasies or propping him up with idealization and over-dramatization. Jager Luth is a healthy character with a promising career ahead of him.

The problem with the tests is that you yourself answer the questions. It'd make more sense for a third party, who has nothing to lose, to do it for you.
Quote:Sometimes I just want to slap you folks.

You're as guilty as the rest of us, Boyo.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 26, 2011 9:27:36 AM    View the profile of Decembrist 
This is uncanny.

OOC:
Decembrist is suspiciously similar to you as you'd like to be. He is so impossibly hip that he has difficulty seeing over his own pelvis; he'll probably die young, but damn, will it have been a good life. He may have sometimes thought that he was special, or destined for greater things, but probably dismissed the idea as a fantasy. He's come in for his share of hurt, but gotten off with minor damage. And you've been sparing with the free handouts: whatever he gains, he's worked for.

You may have let yourself get a little too close to Decembrist. Maybe he's you as you wish you were, or maybe you're just afraid no one will like him and are trying to give him a free ride. Have some confidence in your writing! Decembrist is a good character. Give him room to be himself before you stifle him.


And a 43 on the second test. It's all those damned "Are all other characters sexually attracted to him?" questions. How am I supposed to say no?
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 26, 2011 6:47:49 PM    View the profile of Kami 
I'd like to think that I don't indulge, but I do, we all do.

But the Vast Empire is a fantasy role-play site, and I do write from the perspective of a woman who is somehow an established pirate lord type AND a mystical master of strange and wonderful Force-like abilities.

It's all bollocks!
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 26, 2011 7:53:51 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Yeah, I don't think the rpg structure does us any favors, when it comes to avoiding MarySueism...  I hold down so many OOC jobs, that my character becomes pretty super-human by default, if they're all made true in-story, as well.

Also, like Dec, Trick's just a cutie. 
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 26, 2011 8:06:09 PM    View the profile of Jager 
Quote:And a 43 on the second test. It's all those damned "Are all other characters sexually attracted to him?" questions. How am I supposed to say no?

The amount of make-out sessions I've written, and then shamefully revised in editing, that heavily involve you agree's with this.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 26, 2011 8:21:42 PM    View the profile of Decembrist 
And I must say that the VE is worse off for it, Jager.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 26, 2011 8:30:43 PM    View the profile of Luckystar 
Quote:Luckystar is only a little like you. She isn't really very cool: she blends into crowds, she hangs out on the fringes at parties, and wearing shades after dark makes her run into things. There's never been anything special about her that she could see; boy, is she in for a surprise. She's come in for her share of hurt, but gotten off with minor damage. And you've been sparing with the free handouts: whatever she gains, she's worked for.

In general, you care deeply about Luckystar, but you're smart enough to let her stand on her own, without burdening her with your personal fantasies or propping her up with idealization and over-dramatization. Luckystar is a healthy character with a promising career ahead of her.

And for the second one, I scored a 40
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 26, 2011 11:03:22 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
You've mean this entire time I've been denied Jager - Dec makeout sessions?

I can't go on. Not after realizing what I've missed!
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 27, 2011 12:03:56 AM    View the profile of THX1138 
Quote:Therex Whitestone is suspiciously similar to you as you'd like to be. He is so impossibly hip that he has difficulty seeing over his own pelvis; he'll probably die young, but damn, will it have been a good life. He may have sometimes thought that he was special, or destined for greater things, but probably dismissed the idea as a fantasy. He's had more than his fair share of hard knocks, and probably spends more time than he ought moaning about it. And you've been sparing with the free handouts: whatever he gains, he's worked for.

You may have let yourself get a little too close to Therex Whitestone. Maybe he's you as you wish you were, or maybe you're just afraid no one will like him and are trying to give him a free ride. Have some confidence in your writing! Therex Whitestone is a good character. Give him room to be himself before you stifle him.

Not so sure I answered all the questions right. It isnt how I try to portray him.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 27, 2011 11:11:24 PM    View the profile of Sniping101 
I find the head-nod rpg infrastructure increases it for some reason. Dunno why.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 27, 2011 11:21:10 PM    View the profile of Sniping101 
I apparently scored a 13. Whatever the hell that means.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 27, 2011 11:55:12 PM    View the profile of Dunny 
Sam Dunn is suspiciously similar to you as you'd like to be. He is not at all cool; in fact, he thinks cool is a temperature reading, and when he says "Oh, I just put on whatever old thing's lying around," he means "on the floor, where I threw it last night - but I turned the underwear inside out first." There's never been anything special about him that he could see; boy, is he in for a surprise. He's come in for his share of hurt, but gotten off with minor damage. And he's gotten no slack from you.

In general, you care deeply about Sam Dunn, but you're smart enough to let him stand on his own, without burdening him with your personal fantasies or propping him up with idealization and over-dramatization. Sam Dunn is a healthy character with a promising career ahead of him.

26 on the Mary Sue litmus test...just because he's got my first name and did so well in the academy! XD
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  RE: Mary Sue.
July 28, 2011 7:47:16 PM    View the profile of Jager 
Quote:I apparently scored a 13. Whatever the hell that means.

You do know its a federal offence to lie on those tests, right?
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  RE: Mary Sue.
August 15, 2011 4:38:13 PM    View the profile of Drac 
Hmm...got the same one Aeos and most of us did on the first test. The second test showed a 65, though, which really surprised me. He hasn't bedded the female half of the fleet, isn't overtly attractive, doesn't always win, etc. Weird that it was so high.

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  RE: Mary Sue.
September 7, 2011 2:08:22 PM    View the profile of Slasher 
First one was pretty much like Aeos, the second I scored a 15.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
September 7, 2011 6:54:00 PM    View the profile of Amacuse 
I get too much into my character...
Quote:Cayden Tavers isn't a character: he's you, or you as you'd like to be. He may be popular, or he may not, but no matter what he's impossible to ignore; he stands out... just the way you always wanted to. He may have sometimes thought that he was special, or destined for greater things, but probably dismissed the idea as a fantasy. He's had more than his fair share of hard knocks, and probably spends more time than he ought moaning about it. And you've been pretty kind to him, always ready to intercede on his behalf and give him a nice easy victory.

You may have let yourself get a little too close to Cayden Tavers. Maybe he's you as you wish you were, or maybe you're just afraid no one will like him and are trying to give him a free ride. Have some confidence in your writing! Cayden Tavers is a good character. Give him room to be himself before you stifle him.

Second one was a 75...

Go figure...
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  RE: Mary Sue.
September 7, 2011 9:06:10 PM    View the profile of Stewart-Power 
Quote:Thel is nothing like you. He is not at all cool; in fact, he thinks cool is a temperature reading, and when he says "Oh, I just put on whatever old thing's lying around," he means "on the floor, where I threw it last night - but I turned the underwear inside out first." There's never been anything special about him that he could see; boy, is he in for a surprise. He's got no emotional scars to speak of. And he's gotten no slack from you.

In general, you've kept yourself a goodly distance from Thel and given him plenty of room - maybe a little too much. Don't distance yourself so far from Thel that you stop caring what happens to him.

And then I got a 5 on the next test, re-did it, and got a 12...

I think I need to work on my character.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
September 11, 2011 2:06:48 AM    View the profile of Njall 
Quote:Njall isn't a character: he's you, or you as you'd like to be. He isn't really very cool: he blends into crowds, he hangs out on the fringes at parties, and wearing shades after dark makes him run into things. He may have sometimes thought that he was special, or destined for greater things, but probably dismissed the idea as a fantasy. He's come in for his share of hurt, but gotten off with minor damage. And you've been sparing with the free handouts: whatever he gains, he's worked for.

You may have let yourself get a little too close to Njall. Maybe he's you as you wish you were, or maybe you're just afraid no one will like him and are trying to give him a free ride. Have some confidence in your writing! Njall is a good character. Give him room to be himself before you stifle him.
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  RE: Mary Sue.
September 21, 2011 10:49:06 PM    View the profile of Ion 
Quote:Ion is only a little like you. He may be popular, or he may not, but no matter what he's impossible to ignore; he stands out... just the way you always wanted to. He may have sometimes thought that he was special, or destined for greater things, but probably dismissed the idea as a fantasy. He's had more than his fair share of hard knocks, and probably spends more time than he ought moaning about it. And you've been sparing with the free handouts: whatever he gains, he's worked for.

You may have let yourself get a little too close to Ion. Maybe he's you as you wish you were, or maybe you're just afraid no one will like him and are trying to give him a free ride. Have some confidence in your writing! Ion is a good character. Give him room to be himself before you stifle him.

Ok, ok, not too bad...

55 on my second test. CLOSE ENOUGH.
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