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May 7, 2013
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Yeah, I think that makes some sense. Have a "SCAP" or "SCTP" tag, and maybe a "VENA" tag, too. Once we list 'em all, we can take a look at options.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 7, 2013
3:06:08 AM
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I think the VENA, with SCAP would make sense, but with the VENA more prominent perhaps?
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 7, 2013
3:25:08 AM
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We'll get it figured out, Gurlanin...
On that note, I think I'm going to be putting this project on hold for a few days. I've got my last final on Thursday and then I'll be moving out of college the following day. So I won't have too much time in the coming days, coupled with writing an ending post for Counterpunch.
That being said, if you want to compile that list and work with Trick, Gurlanin, that would be great. But right now it's not so important. This has been a project in the making for years, so a few days of lying dormant isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 7, 2013
3:36:54 AM
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Agreed. There's been a lot of progress on this project, this week, but I think we should focus on the transition out of Counterpunch for this coming week. And yeah, I guess final exams, for those of us who have those... 
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 9, 2013
3:12:26 PM
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As soon as I get 2012 and 2013 updated, I'll get that list of single stories composed. Should be ready in a few days.
On that note, Gurlanin, do you have the list of 2013 stories compiled yet?
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May 9, 2013
3:15:55 PM
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Very soon. I've had some OOC issues over the last few days, and I'm currently putting the finishing touches to my Death post, which was delayed. So this compilation was pushed down the list. I'll have it for you soon, I hope.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 9, 2013
3:17:09 PM
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No worries. Just checking in. Hope things get better for ya, Gurlanin.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 12, 2013
9:55:43 PM
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Gur, I'm going to go ahead and compile that list for 2013 and get it up on the wiki page.
The comprehensive list is soon to follow.
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May 13, 2013
12:43:21 AM
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And all of the missions for the new comnet have finally been logged in their entirety.
Gur/Trick: I appreciate the help for this phase. And also feel free to go through the timeline itself and add links to relevant wiki pages and such. I feel better about the modifications now that the timeline's base core is complete.
The next major tasks will be to comb through the old comnet, which may prove very difficult, and to finalize details in the current entries. I plan on taking a few days off from the timeline itself, so I can focus on some much needed writing.
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May 13, 2013
12:51:25 AM
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Well done indeed, Fishhead. Take a break from this, focus on stories, and we'll revisit it in a few days.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 13, 2013
1:16:25 PM
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Sorry about that. I would have done it sooner, but I've been in a funny place OOC, not to mention the fact that I've been without tinternet on and off for the last few days. I'm just glad I had it last night! Havn't had it all day today.
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May 13, 2013
1:58:48 PM
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I loathe connectivity problems. And don't worry, Gur. It got done.  Hope your internet comes back asap!
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May 13, 2013
2:38:05 PM
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It's here at the moment. I hope it stays.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 15, 2013
2:56:54 PM
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Went ahead and compiled that list so we can start considering new tags for the individual stories that were determined to be canon. Note that I've used the wiki page coding for each story log and have modified all of the missions to be temporarily tagged as "Single Ship Story." I'll begin devising tags and posting them here in the coming days. Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Stonewall: Echelon: Shakedown CruiseCommander=Warrant Officer 2nd Class Echelon Startdate=10/12/2012 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Defiance: Serpent: Shakedown Cruise Commander=Warrant Officer 2nd Class Serpent Startdate=08/22/2012 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Serpent's First Command: The CourageCommander=Warrant Officer 2nd Class Serpent Startdate=07/02/2012 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Halcyon Warrior: Punitive MeasuresCommander=Captain Drac Startdate=01/09/2012 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Surprise: The Vast Empire Strikes BackCommander=Chief Warrant Officer Trykon Startdate=12/19/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Kazack: Ship Captain Training ProgramCommander=Petty Officer 1st Class Kazack Startdate=06/04/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Ad Valorem: The Meccheon SystemCommander=Captain Bacredi Startdate=05/22/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= The "Atrus" : Diplomatic ImmunityCommander=Rear Admiral Stormz Startdate=05/17/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Duty: Trykon: Shakedown CruiseCommander=Senior Chief Petty Officer Trykon Startdate=04/27/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Trykon: SCFECommander=Chief Petty Officer Trykon Startdate=03/30/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= mSSD "Atrus": Life as an OfficerCommander=Rear Admiral Stormz Startdate=03/29/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Onyx: Ongoing InterimCommander=1st Lieutenant Slasher Startdate= 02/17/2011 Mission= Single Ship Story Name= DrumheadCommander=Commodore Atrasin Startdate= 02/10/2011 Mission= Single Ship Story Name= VENA: Hallowed HallsCommander=Lieutenant Commander Atrasin Startdate=12/20/2010 Mission= Single Ship Story Name= Gone for SoldiersCommander=Lieutenant Commander Atrasin Startdate=08/01/2010 Mission= Single Ship Story Name= An Opaque MirrorCommander=Lieutenant Commander Atrasin Startdate=05/16/2010 Mission= Single Ship Story Name= Board of Inquiry: LehonCommander=Lieutenant Commander Atrasin Startdate=02/23/2010 Mission= Single Ship Story Name= Changing Command and a PropositionCommander=Lieutenant Commander Arturus Startdate=12/28/2007 Mission= Single Ship Story Name= Barstool to Command DeckCommander=2nd Lieutenant Denethor Startdate=12/21/2007 Mission= Single Ship Story Name= Doashim Group Story ThreadCommander=1st Lieutenant Arturus Startdate=05/31/2007
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 15, 2013
3:02:39 PM
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I always get so confused with American dates ...
Also, you've got a 2011 at the top of the 2012s
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 15, 2013
3:19:02 PM
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Thanks for catching that, Gur. Was a wrong date when I edited the entries just a bit ago.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 15, 2013
6:09:41 PM
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So, here are my suggestions for the stories I know off the top of my head: Mission=Single Ship Story, tag "SCTP" Name= Stonewall: Echelon: Shakedown CruiseCommander=Warrant Officer 2nd Class Echelon Startdate=10/12/2012 Mission=Single Ship Story, tag "SCTP" Name= Defiance: Serpent: Shakedown Cruise Commander=Warrant Officer 2nd Class Serpent Startdate=08/22/2012 Mission=Single Ship Story, tag "SCTP" Name= Serpent's First Command: The CourageCommander=Warrant Officer 2nd Class Serpent Startdate=07/02/2012 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Halcyon Warrior: Punitive MeasuresCommander=Captain Drac Startdate=01/09/2012 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Surprise: The Vast Empire Strikes BackCommander=Chief Warrant Officer Trykon Startdate=12/19/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story, tag "SCTP" Name= Kazack: Ship Captain Training ProgramCommander=Petty Officer 1st Class Kazack Startdate=06/04/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Ad Valorem: The Meccheon SystemCommander=Captain Bacredi Startdate=05/22/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= The "Atrus" : Diplomatic ImmunityCommander=Rear Admiral Stormz Startdate=05/17/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story, tag "SCTP" Name= Duty: Trykon: Shakedown CruiseCommander=Senior Chief Petty Officer Trykon Startdate=04/27/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story, tag "SCTP" Name= Trykon: SCFECommander=Chief Petty Officer Trykon Startdate=03/30/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= mSSD "Atrus": Life as an OfficerCommander=Rear Admiral Stormz Startdate=03/29/2011 Mission=Single Ship Story Name= Onyx: Ongoing InterimCommander=1st Lieutenant Slasher Startdate= 02/17/2011 Mission= not a single ship story at all, so much as one of those special-case CD stories that became canon (the icon is the imperial symbol in blue, without a white circle) Name= DrumheadCommander=Commodore Atrasin Startdate= 02/10/2011 Mission= not a single ship story, so much as a VENA story Name= VENA: Hallowed HallsCommander=Lieutenant Commander Atrasin Startdate=12/20/2010 Mission= not a single ship story at all, so much as one of those special-case CD stories that became canon (the icon is the imperial symbol in blue, without a white circle) Name= Gone for SoldiersCommander=Lieutenant Commander Atrasin Startdate=08/01/2010 Mission= not a single ship story at all, so much as one of those special-case CD stories that became canon (the icon is the imperial symbol in blue, without a white circle) Name= An Opaque MirrorCommander=Lieutenant Commander Atrasin Startdate=05/16/2010 Mission= not a single ship story at all, so much as one of those special-case CD stories that became canon (the icon is the imperial symbol in blue, without a white circle) Name= Board of Inquiry: LehonCommander=Lieutenant Commander Atrasin Startdate=02/23/2010 The others on your list I haven't read yet.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 15, 2013
8:45:21 PM
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Alright, then Trick.
I'll update accordingly and look through the other stories and get those tags for the other stories up soon.
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May 17, 2013
9:36:48 AM
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And we now have all of the stories for the new wiki logged and tagged. All that's left for this phase is to figure out how to handle the old wiki.
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May 17, 2013
9:56:54 AM
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I presume you mean the old ComNet (instead of old wiki), and that's really not a priority. Not to diminish the importance of those early, formative years, but they were early and formative... the entries now on the timeline are more than adequate to get a sense of the division's history. Really spectacular work, Fishhead, in restarting this project, and plowing through until completion (well, even this stage of completion). Stay tuned for recognition, comin' at you soon. I guess next for the project is compiling a prose narrative, that weaves together these entries into a coherent story of the division's history. That too, I would think would be easier done with multiple people working on it. Do you have any concerns/ideas?
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May 17, 2013
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I presume you mean the old ComNet (instead of old wiki), and that's really not a priority. Not to diminish the importance of those early, formative years, but they were early and formative... the entries now on the timeline are more than adequate to get a sense of the division's history. Really spectacular work, Fishhead, in restarting this project, and plowing through until completion (well, even this stage of completion). Stay tuned for recognition, comin' at you soon. I guess next for the project is compiling a prose narrative, that weaves together these entries into a coherent story of the division's history. That too, I would think would be easier done with multiple people working on it. Do you have any concerns/ideas?
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 17, 2013
10:14:42 AM
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Yeah. I did mean the old comnet. Oops.
The prose narrative would be a good next step. I do agree on that. Though, if Gur wants to take the lead on this part, I would gladly pass it on to him. I've got a couple side projects I'm planning on working on relating to this main one.
I would say, though, that for the main narrative, we focus on the bigger missions, such as the Taskforce, Fleet, and Division stories, as Drac had originally wanted.
The only problem I see with that is that, in those earlier years, almost all of the stories were squadron-based stories. Which wouldn't necessarily fit into the larger Division narrative.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 17, 2013
10:29:13 AM
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I think it'd be helpful to remember the distinction between IC and OOC, again, here. OOC, the Navy division of the club was focused on starfighter squadrons only, in those early years, and so most of the stories we have from those years are squadron stories, yes. But the stories we have don't cover everything that happened, IC, during that time period. In other words, I think we can infer the larger narrative, to an extent, based on the types of enemies those squadrons are fighting. I may be wrong, but I actually think it won't be particularly hard to come up with some sort of narrative... just tedious. And I agree that we should focus on the bigger missions, when constructing that narrative.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 17, 2013
11:04:50 AM
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Very true. That does sound like a plan, then.
I'm going to put most of my efforts on fleshing out the more detailed timeline pages. That does include brief mission descriptions, but I would like to pass overall lead to someone else at this point. But I can put my focus here, if need be.
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May 17, 2013
5:02:07 PM
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Go on and focus on other things. You've done quite enough for the time being. 
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 22, 2013
4:53:00 PM
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Well, with Tryk's blessing, I'm going to start compiling a short summary of each mission post. Then I'm going to put it altogether and reword it to make a division history summary type thing.
Help would be much appreciated.
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 22, 2013
6:38:58 PM
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BRILLIANT. With your permission, Gur, I'll contribute summaries for everything so far from 2013, as a starting point.
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Gurlanin
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 22, 2013
6:46:43 PM
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Mwuhahaha! Power! Just give me a moment whilst I relish this time of Tryk requesting my permission .... /me takes a few deep breaths Ok I'm done. That's more than ok, Tryk. If you could PM it to me, and post it here as an example for anyone else who might want to help, that would be awesome.
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Trykon
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 22, 2013
7:38:26 PM
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Will do.
Give me a couple days, and I'll send you a PM.
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TosthAaaiser
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RE: Naval History & Timeline
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May 22, 2013
8:06:52 PM
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As you guys get these summaries done, could you send me a copy of those? It would save me a LOT of time in the coming weeks with the projects I've discussed with you personally, Trick.
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