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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 24, 2010 10:46:21 AM    View the profile of Vender 
Ten-Four.

From my last post, in what direction should this go for Nazgul? I know we're attempting to gain starfighter superiority. So far I think I'm on the right track, and would like to remain so.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 24, 2010 5:14:45 PM    View the profile of Atrasin 
/me sighs

TIE/In are INFERIOR to E-wings...you CANNOT GAIN SUPERIORITY.

read up on these hostiles people!!

this is a battle you're supposed to LOSE, either you do it, or I will.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 25, 2010 6:17:31 AM    View the profile of Shazam 
*Brings a tear to Shazam's eyes*

"Look at that, Sparky..." *Wipes away tear* "Tryin to win even though they're clearly ganna lose...  Thata boys..."  Lol.

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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 25, 2010 5:24:12 PM    View the profile of Vender 
It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Gaining starfighter superiority in the way that I meant to imply, has nothing to do with what fighters outmatch other fighters. I simply meant superiority in a strategic standpoint.. Even smaller weaker forces are capable of winning the field if their opponent is over confident or stupid.

BTW, thanks for giving the ending away. Maybe I should just kill my starfighter now?
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 25, 2010 7:06:58 PM    View the profile of Atrasin 
it's not like i haven't told you all SEVERAL times that this would be a Phyrric Victory...

'Real' pilots will be the only ones to survive
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 25, 2010 8:11:54 PM    View the profile of Ruwe 
ok...i reread a bunch of the story...and im lost (sorry Driver i realised after you left that i did indeed have questions )

1. how many ships of the NR's are still alive? and how many of each? (X-wings, Y-wings, B-wings, E-wings, A-wings)

2. what exactly is everyone doing? some are off doing one thing, others off doing something else...are we all supposed to be forming up on the Tiamus or no? cuz i think some are and most arent.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 25, 2010 10:23:17 PM    View the profile of Rocketman1167 
Well the point is to form up by the Tiamut but theres a battle going on so formations are hard to do.
There are many aspects of the Force we have no knowledge of. The subject still requires further research and study.

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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 25, 2010 10:44:26 PM    View the profile of Drac 
Not really, Rocket. The point right now is to survive and to inflict damage on the NR. We also need to kill off all the NPCs.

Ruwe: You're out in the middle of the giant dogfight and should be trying to form up the remainders of Beta and Delta on you.

What's left of Viper is going after the bombers in the planet's atmosphere and is elsewhere scattered.

Nazgul and the rest of the squadrons are scattered throughout the battlefield engaging enemy ships.

There aren't any hard numbers on the remaining enemy ships right now- just rest assured that there're still plenty of each to kill and get killed by.

To make one thing clear: The E-wings are definitely superior to Interceptors. They'll be cutting the NPCs to ribbons and delivering pretty heavy blows on us as well. They're not invincible, but you'd better have a really good dogfighting post if you want to kill one.

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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 26, 2010 4:10:35 AM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
Just for further clarification, all of Viper is now moving away from the main engagement.

The reasons for this were two fold:

1/ Clearly there's a lot of confusion right now, so it was easier just to 'remove' the squadron all together, to save you guys having to worry about what we're up to as well as you're squad mates.

2/ To give the squadron a single unifying objective, again to cut down on confusion, and minimalise the amount of back reading required. All Viper squadron needs to do at the moment is read my last post, and any subsequent Viper post there after. All other posts can be ignored. If something major happens, then i'll make sure it is made known to them.

Now for more general musings:

I know the concept of 'losing' may seem a bit alien, as giving the nature of this place, you wouldn't automatically think that losing scenarios would work.

It HAS been done in the past, but on a slightly less focused scale, so don't worry about it if you're slow in coming round to the idea.

Vender actually brings up a good point: A person with superior flying skills could feasibly out-fly and thus best even an opponent in a superior fighter, but lets look at the facts:

* Vender is, for all intensive purposes, a 'rookie' fresh out of the academy. That's not to say that you will suck - you will have needed to have been exceptional in some small way to even get into this 'elite' wing, but it's not too hard to imagine you still getting outflown by a lot of people.

* Your superior officer (Driver), even if he does come off slightly inarticulate :P has laid down some general guidelines with how this story needs to play out.

* It is also implied that we are supidly outnumbered, although as Ruwe points out, numbers are vague.

Posters need to keep these things in mind when posting. I know you want to show off your l337 skills, and I know that 'losing' isn't really fun, but consider it a challange: How can you MAKE it fun? How can you be creative with the scenario in order to bring forth an engaging post, win or lose?

Some general advice: If you're having trouble, just lighten the load a little bit. Instead of worrying who's where, what's what etc... just do a simple dogfighting post that can convey the desperation of the situation.

As for NPC's... if you can't make it fit, don't worry about it. Your Officers and Driver himself are more then capable of killing of the NPC's, and since it's our story then the onus is on us anyway to get that bit done. IF you can get it in, great, just be sure to tell Driver so he can cross another one off his list.

Try not to worry so much about the details, and just go with the flow, as they say
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 27, 2010 6:08:35 AM    View the profile of Rutian 
Just to clarify Kaph squadron is now under my command. I would prefer if you did not destroy or have any of its members become MIA as killing them is kinda my job at the moment. It is already however to include them in your stories etc. and to include myself. Simply be mindful that none of you are flying a Phantom, and even to other Phantoms the ship would be next to impossible to detect. The Phantoms fight, for those of you who don't know, by firing and automatically reactivating the cloak. So basically you see about a split second of fire and maybe the ship before it's gone again. Thanks guys.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 27, 2010 7:12:06 AM    View the profile of Atrasin 
Rutian...

sorry to put a kybosh on that storyline, but ALL squadrons are fighting in TIE/Interceptors...sorry

...and you are a Flight Leader, not SC.

please edit accordingly
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 27, 2010 8:38:17 AM    View the profile of Slasher 
Slasher is now MIA, can be presumed as KIA for your posts, I have put the Nebulon-B out of commission for about 15-20 minutes in story, and all enemy fighters are withdrawing to protect the frigate. Sorry about the fighter guys, umm... is this one gonna come out of my paycheck?

Anyway, don't move the story along much, and NO ONE put the frigate back up in operation yet, my indication from Driver is that he wants to use this opportunity to move the story ahead, which he will do tomorrow.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 27, 2010 2:22:15 PM    View the profile of Willtconq 
Also, the Phantom requires 2 pilots to fly. And the Phantom doesn't have any visual-masking capabilities, only advanced sensor masking. The one with the visual masking is Tie-Stealth.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 27, 2010 4:17:09 PM    View the profile of Rutian 
Thanks for the reminder Will; posting at like 4am is a bad idea.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 27, 2010 4:19:17 PM    View the profile of Ruwe 
posting at anytime after midnight is a bad idea...trust me i know from experience...i has no been unconfuzzled and am now making my post...not sure if itll be up tonite cuz i have to do LOTS of house cleaning...but it should be up within the next day...should i reserve my spot and make it a 24 hr reservation?
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 27, 2010 4:20:15 PM    View the profile of Hunter-Morrell 
Atrasin wrote:agreed. 12 hrs is more than enough time to reserve a slot

Check it.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 27, 2010 4:24:09 PM    View the profile of Ruwe 
ah frak...well ill just cross my fingers and hope no one posts something that will screw up my post then
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 27, 2010 5:58:58 PM    View the profile of Vender 
I posted an "inner monolog" type of thing. BTW...

AFter this is all over.

Someone needs to tell Vender that he was the one saying "That guy is going to be a legend".. Because basically Vender went crazy, and was not in control of his own mind for a bit.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 28, 2010 5:01:09 PM    View the profile of Slasher 
Update on New Republic forces at present in smoke and mirrors, awaiting Driver moving along the story.

16 TIE interceptors
22 A-Wings, (10 destroyed)
0 X-Wings, (16 destroyed)
16 Y-Wings
16 B-Wings
29 E-Wings (3 destroyed)
1 Nebulon B Escort Frigate (Temporarily disabled)
? DP20 Gunboat (Unknown situation)

New Republic losses: 29 Fighters confirmed destroyed

Also, our overall losses as near as I can tell:

Losses:
  Ferrum Umbra
Nazgul Squadron:
  B-3: Slasher M.I.A.
  B-4: Yurhan (NPC) Possible M.I.A. or K.I.A. unknown
  ?-1: Kyrios (NPC) K.I.A.
Viper Squadron:
  A-3: Anden Beliam M.I.A. P.O.W.
  ?-1: Jarred (NPC) K.I.A.
  ?-2: (NPC) K.I.A.
  ?-3: (NPC) K.I.A.
  ?-4: (NPC) K.I.A.
Aegis Squadron (NPC):
  A-4: Derden Xrap K.I.A.
  ?-1: Leta Ne K.I.A.
  ?-2: Jystor Guhn E.V. O.O.A.

Blizzard Squadron (NPC):
  3 K.I.A.
Kaph Squadron (NPC):
  Unknown casualties
Polaris Squadron (NPC):
  Unknown casualties

total VE casualties: 14
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 29, 2010 10:07:55 AM    View the profile of Rutian 
As of my next post Kaph will be engaged with the Gunboat. Probably going to write it here in bible class :P

All members of Kaph are currently alive.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 29, 2010 1:45:35 PM    View the profile of Willtconq 
wow... only 14... out of 70-ish... seriously, we gotta kick that up a knotch.


Actually Driver, i was thinking. We don't necessarily have to kill every single NPC. Some could still be used for RES after his mission. though the number still need to be pretty low.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 29, 2010 1:56:12 PM    View the profile of Slasher 
I was actually thinking we don't have to kill them off, but have them go e.v. some could be captured, etc.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 29, 2010 3:36:40 PM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
You missed two from Viper's count I think, possibly 3, I can't remember.

You have to bear in mind though, that there's 4 whole NPC squadrons up there, some which we're not allowed to touch without Driver's permission. That's where most of the bodies are tied up.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 30, 2010 11:00:41 AM    View the profile of bjorkfrid 
Ibram's right - there are a lot of potential deaths out there for the taking if you seek Driver's approval.

Viper's continue with the bomber threat but in general - we need to discuss where this story will be heading in the next phase?

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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
January 31, 2010 12:54:51 AM    View the profile of Willtconq 
Hey, Driver, mind if I use Ash as a member or SC in one of the NPC squadrons? He can be another sole survivor... Just like Rutian.
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
February 1, 2010 7:18:59 AM    View the profile of Atrasin 
use him as a FL in Blizzard
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
February 1, 2010 12:28:53 AM    View the profile of Willtconq 
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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
February 2, 2010 11:30:34 AM    View the profile of bjorkfrid 
Just wanted to let you all know where Viper is at.

My last post has got what remains of our squadron heading to take out the Y-wings.

Ibram's life hangs in the balance - I'll let him sort himself out :P

The rest of my wing plus Romanflame are going after the Y-wings.

Now Sicario is back I've left his wing out of play so he can do as he see's fit. SiriSu please liase with him and coordinate your whereabouts.

I took out one of our NPCs off-screen in my latest post. Fallen Angel is no more.

I hope this helps everyone understand where Viper is - we'll aim to rejoin the main fight soon and by then it will be the bare bones in terms of personel.

Please let me and other Viper's now if we need to edit anything or add anything in.

What's going happen next?

Excited! ^_^

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  RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
February 2, 2010 2:02:31 PM    View the profile of Santa 
Excellent post, bjorkfrid. One thing, though: I think that I'm Gamma three, and Fallen Angel was Gamma four, but I could be wrong. That's just what I've been going by in my posts, at least.
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February 2, 2010 2:10:26 PM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
Lol I hate to be a pain Cali, because it really is a good post, but I need you to ease up on the damage to me and my interceptor.

I already have my exit planned in my head, and, well, you just messed it up :P

Sorry :P
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