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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 12, 2010
2:15:16 PM
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Damn, there goes my plan for the "Godly Lt. Duo" of Liquid and me 
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
4:19:25 AM
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Good to see so many getting excellent posts in.
However we need to make sure we pay attention to what other people are writing in their respective posts.
Ruwe your post doesn't take into account that my post had Viper and Nazgul meeting up in flight and coordinating any sort of attack. You just kinda rush into it - and whilst it's good dog-fighting action it displaces all that my post had set up.
Things are going to get chaotic out their with so many fighters but we should discuss some kind of structure to how it is going to play out otherwise we'll just have a string of posts of us individually gunning down X-wings willy-nilly.
As Driver as outlined we've got many things to take out and take on:
I suggest that Viper and Nazgul having linked up launch a disrupting run in space against the first wave of New Reps which is made up of X's and A's (since they'd get to the action first)
That would allow for your dog-fight to stay as is Ruwe (you just might want to edit in a section that has Nazgul forming up with Viper)
After we've disrupted the first wave, we'd be split up and in a cluster-fuck so that would give a couple of posts of good dog-fighting.
Hopefully Driver will post his arrival which would cause the New Rep to chance tactics since they've know got something else to target.
As he said, they've got bombers (B's and Y's), let's say they send down into to the atmosphere of Geraps Sule to take out the gas refining platform. At this point we should have some people to volunteer to write about going after them and trying to limit their damage (it is the VE's supplies after all!)
Then at some point they'll send out the big boys and we'll have a wave of E-wings to deal with. That would be the ideal time to deal with casualties and by that time the Nebulon B-frigate would be in range to open up the big guns. Also at this stage we should have people deal with the pretend TIE\in squadron - they might, for example, be registered as friendly on our scanners hence our inability to take them out.
So in summary,
Stage 1: Nazgul and Viper form up and disrupt the first wave of X-wings and A-wings
Stage 2: Dog-fighting with the X-wings and A-wings, entangled mess.
Stage 3: Driver arrives with the Ferrum Umbra and Tiamut and unleashes his salvo of TIE/in, New Republic send their bombers to the gas refineries
Stage 4: Some of us go to take out the Y-wings and B-wings attacking the gas platforms. Atmospheric flight so it won't be a cakewalk
Stage 5: The capital ships' weapons come into range firing into the maw of fighters. To add to this hell, the E-wings are there fucking up our shit. In addition their's a fake-friendly TIE/in squadron running havoc within that ball of mess.
Stage 6: We manage to deter the bombers but it is clear the space battle even with Driver's arrival is being lost. Retreat, retreat, retreat.
Sorry if you think that I'm unjustly taking the bull by the horns but even the lightest framing of what we're going to write about helps our posts be that little bit tighter, that little bit smoother and a hell of lot more epic.
Just my thoughts please feel free to rip them to shreds.
Cali
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
4:23:55 AM
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excellent job Cali, i approve of your layout w/one exception...
you are all the VE has available to stop this incursion, retreat, at this time, is NOT an option. the line is drawn, not one step further.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
4:27:59 AM
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Glad you think so.
We'll fight to the bitter end but I would stress to everyone the importance of reading other people's post and trying to coordinate your posts whenever possible.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
10:46:56 AM
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One edit I would suggest: Those supplies' value is almost incalculable, right? Even if they're only very valuable, it doesn't make sense for the NR's bombers to be blowing them up. They'd much rather capture them. So the Y and B wings would be more likely to be hitting the platforms' defenses and administrative centers. Another likely scenario is for the B-wings to make a run on the Ferrum Umbra and Tiamut when they arrive. The NR is infamous for being fans of TRD (Trench Run Disease: the use of snubfighters against capital ships and other large targets). To clarify: Both Cali's post and mine (as I interpret hers, anyway) are from the standpoint that the NR will stop the 'protectors' sham once they're inside the platforms' defense grid and get down to the serious business of conquering the planet. -Drac
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
11:11:12 AM
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Make that System Drac, Lehon is an entire system after all, so feel free to have the NR forces split up to go elsewhere.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
11:13:50 AM
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Fair point Drac. I wanted to get some of the action into atmospheric flight.
Sarjah has just collapsed so I'm not sure what defences or administrative buildings would be left.
I completely agree that the NR would aim to take out the Tiamut and Ferrun Umbra so we could reflect this in our posts as well.
I'd say have the bombers go into the atmosphere to take out something significant to have some of us go in pursuit. Then once Driver arrives have the NR shift the focus to our annihilation with the bomber's setting up trench runs on our big ships.
Side note: Slasher you need to get your post up soon otherwise your reservation will be deleted.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
11:21:50 AM
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Please remmeber guys, the Ferrum Umbra and the Tiamut arn't in-system yet.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
12:08:45 AM
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-(William the Conquerer)- Ex Ship Captain of Tiamut King of PPC 17,000 clicks and counting "Have to trust someone to be betrayed. I never did." - Cpt John Price SC/1LT Willtconq/A-1/S:147 "Nazgul"/W:1 "Phoenix"/mSSD Atrus/TF:A/1Flt/SFC/VEN  /VE (=*A*=) (=*SA*=)(=^MA^=) [VC:S][SV][BWC][SWC][LSM][CBV][NC]   
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
11:16:49 PM
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I'm caught up on the reading, I'll probably try and put up a post tomorrow maybe, but maybe not, I have work and a 4 hour CAD class that I'm sure will just be freaking great.
Anywho, I will be posting on this story, I promise 
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
11:27:54 PM
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Sorry if my post creates problems for the overall plan, my wingman and I are already in with the enemy interceptors, and I called for help, but they could have jammed the transmission or something so that only parts of what I say are heard, so that you for example know that I'm out of the fight, and so is my wingman, or something. Or youcould just delete my post, up to you.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 13, 2010
11:38:19 PM
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I have a quarter of a post (doesn't effect anything, hasn't even left the ship), and it should be done around eventually. Hopefully by the end of this week.
Just an FYI... in case you cared enough.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 14, 2010
9:58:22 AM
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This is going to get confusing. Now that we're in battle - the posts should try and stick to some form of cohesion even if you're on the other side of the battlefield. Posts dealing with events prior to our deployment should have been posted already as I think we're going to have a myriad of posts about everyone getting into their TIE's. With your posts you should trying to be move the action on in some way hence why I outlined a brief overview of the flow of battle so we could all flow together. Slasher you might have to edit your post unless as you say you want to be placed out of the fight on our radar. Remember we're flying in squadrons here so don't try and Rambo it too much otherwise we might as well have set up a series of personal story threads. So for re-cap: Stage 1: Nazgul and Viper form up and disrupt the first wave of X-wings and A-wings Stage 2: Dog-fighting with the X-wings and A-wings, entangled mess. Where we are nowStage 3: Driver arrives with the Ferrum Umbra and Tiamut and unleashes his salvo of TIE/in, New Republic send their bombers to the gas refineries Stage 4: Some of us go to take out the Y-wings and B-wings attacking something significant Atmospheric flight so it won't be a cakewalk Stage 5: The capital ships' weapons come into range firing into the maw of fighters. To add to this hell, the E-wings are there fucking up our shit. In addition their's a fake-friendly TIE/in squadron running havoc within that ball of mess. Stage 6: We manage to deter the bombers but it is clear the space battle even with Driver's arrival is being lost. Fight to the last man or whatever Driver has in storeSorry to nag but we need to be all on the same page or this literally will read like a cluster-fuck. Cali
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 14, 2010
12:15:31 AM
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Cali is dead on, folks: try to stick to the basic outline she's got there and I think you'll be alright. With that in mind- don't be afraid or intimidated to post: get in there and put your mark on the story.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 14, 2010
4:06:26 PM
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Just to clarify. Our current objective is to Survive. Survive until Driver shows up with the rest of the wing. The current Odds are about 5-6 to 2. Regardless of our "abilities" we should still be suppressed and struggling for survival.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 14, 2010
6:15:16 PM
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I agree with the outline, and see it as a positive step in the right direction. As a n00b, it would kind of be helpful to know who my wingmen actually are, FL.. I think Ruwe is.. correct me if I'm wrong.. But also to know what our Flight's objective is.
I don't want to write about 12 different things at once. Dog fighting, taking out bombers, aid calls, whatever it has to be.
I would prefer a "supportive" role, like answering distress calls or coming into an area that needs an extra gun. So if anyone would like to write me in there, you're welcome to and I would love to write in on that.
So just to outline my point:
1 - What is my flight doing? (maybe helpful to mention my name during the action..FL)
2 - Fill me in on support roles if you do write about me
Because overall I'm a n00b, again, and barely know what I'm doing in the first place. I can write, I just don't want to write about the wrong thing.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 14, 2010
6:27:14 PM
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Here's the roster for our new people (click Roster in the Navy section on the left and scroll down to your squadron): http://members.vastempire.com/roster/ Your wingman assignments are always within your flight. For example, Delta One is paired with Delta Two while Delta Three is paired with Delta Four. So, Vender, your wingman is Aurora. IG88719: You will have an NPC wingman- we haven't quite settled on his identity yet. You can still write about him (remember that he's FL) just don't go into specifics on name or rank until we settle those. As for what we're doing right now, it's in the outline: "Stage 2: Dog-fighting with the X-wings and A-wings, entangled mess. Where we are now" (Bold for emphasis) Right now we're milling around trying to kill these guys- just remember, they're veterans and you're not. They'll be very hard to kill. Note: You don't have to wait to be written in. Jump in and go for it. If it's wrong, it can always be edited. -Drac
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 14, 2010
6:34:50 PM
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Thanks Drac! I'll try to spell your name right from now on, btw. lol
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 14, 2010
6:47:52 PM
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Story is CLOSED
i am writing my post, which will make things a little clearer
till i post it is locked, do not write untill you see my post.
that is all
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 14, 2010
9:24:25 PM
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Huh. Well I guess I'll wait till your done before I post...
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 14, 2010
10:37:39 PM
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OK kids here's the sitrep: the NPC's are here, they are yours to kill, maim or whatever....with one caveat. YOU MUST POST HERE THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING TO KILL AN NPC IT WILL EITHER BE APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED BY ME. IF IT IS APPROVED, YOU ARE THE KILLER. IT MUST BE DONE ON YOUR NEXT POST. NO ONE ELSE MAY KILL OR USE THIS NPC ONCE THE KILL IS AWARDED.Also... Dice 1 - Polaris These are their Wing Designations Dice 2 - Aegis They are to be use only when communicating Dice 3 - Nazgul with me. The squadron names are still Dice 4 - Viper used w/i the squadrons. if you're confused - Dice 5 - Kaph talk to me. Dice 6 - Blizzard That is all...
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 15, 2010
11:19:37 PM
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Kill an NPC? What do you mean, like an NPC from our own wing. Or the NPC's that make up the enemy? (i.e. There are 12 A-wings and I claim 1 to kill, thus 11 A-wings left) ?
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 16, 2010
3:11:45 AM
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NPCs in our own wing. we try to make our stories as realistic as possible. Thus there will be casualties. and since members "can't die" we kill off NPCs.
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 16, 2010
3:30:03 AM
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Couple of things:
First, Cali thank you so much for the outline. For a newbie, it really helps. Trust me.
Driver, I want to kill an NPC, do I have to tell you which one?
And whoever named this story Smoke and Mirrors so that I can call it S&M, here's to ya!
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 16, 2010
2:12:16 PM
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SiriSu wrote:And whoever named this story Smoke and Mirrors so that I can call it S&M, here's to ya!
Agreed!
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 16, 2010
8:01:42 PM
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...that would be me.
/me grins lasciviously
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 18, 2010
9:47:56 AM
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I know Aegis' post is short but I'm not sure how long a post for NPCs should be.
I'll change anything that needs to be done once Driver sees it.
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Shazam
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 19, 2010
7:11:42 AM
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Good dog fightin
"Yay-ha!"
*Flash Was Here...*
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bjorkfrid
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 19, 2010
11:54:09 AM
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Good job Vipes, on getting those posts up.
Seems like things are certainly going against us but that's how we like it, right?
Ibram should have a post up this evening to orientate all those concerned.
Good post Slasher looks like none of us are going down without a fight.
Kudos to Drac and Vender - may Kyrios the old pompous gad rest in peace.
E-wings are waiting to strike, bombers have gone planetward - me and Santa are going to give chase.
Fans will be hit by poo.
Cali
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We fly you die
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Santa
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RE: Smoke and Mirrors Discussion
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January 19, 2010
1:42:44 PM
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"Stay active, and we won't kill you." FM/LCRW Ganis Santa Reichert/Γ-3/S:172 "Viper"/W:1 "Phoenix"/mSSD Atrus/TF:A/1Flt /SFC/VEN/VE [SoA]
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