Gshlecc
ComNet Member

[VE-NAVY] Chief Warrant Officer
Post Number: 314
Total Posts: 1957
Joined: Jan 2008
Status: Offline
|

The Hypocrisy of Tolerance
|
|
November 7, 2008
8:37:26 AM
|
|
As one of the few Conservative minded folks here I take my fair share of ribbing. I endure the repeated jabs at my intellegence (IQ of 152 thank you) and my moral fibre. However, enough is enough.
I am very much tired of it. I find it amazing how many self-professed 'open-minded' people here have gone out of thier way to belittle and gloat over the recent election results. Yes, he won. Yes, I am not happy. Yes, I will have to deal w/it...and so will we all.
I have been attacked publicly for stating my beliefs. I have been kicked and banned from IRC by mods who had differing beliefs than I. I have been called every name in the book and shouted down, even by those who cite their own 'oppression' by others.
It has become so bad that Chesh had to set up a new politics board (w/o mods) and ban political talk from the main.
Enough is enough. If you are secure enough your beliefs, mine won't harm you. If not, then I see why you react as you do. I keep the vast majority of my beliefs silent due to the overwhelmingly intolerant nature of this place. Yes, it is intolerant.
I'm qute sure I will recieve a note or two on this, or have it deleted in its entirety. I have talked to others here who feel the same as I, and we are not happy.
We are in the midst of a Naval competition. Part of that competition is recruiting. How many of those new recruits will stick around after they get shouted down on the IRC. How many will log back in after they are kicked or banned for stating their opinions.
How many indeed.
SC|CWO Gshlecc "Driver" Atrasin/Nazgul 1-1/mSSD Atrus/1VENF/VEN/VE/[=A=][=^SA^=][=^ME^=][=*MA*=][MC1]{BWC}[NSR:H]{SAS} PLT|CWO Gshlecc "Grandpa" Atrasin/Reaper 2/ESC Tiamut/VENI/VEI/VE Vacuus Ordo, Nex -Without Order, Death All a man can betray is his conscience. - Joseph ConradWe few, we happy few. We band of brothers. - Henry V May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - General George S. Patton Jr.  
[This message has been edited by
Atrasin
(edited November 7, 2008
8:39:43 AM)]
[This message has been edited by
Atrasin
(edited November 7, 2008
8:41:37 AM)]
|
Slasher
ComNet Novice

[VE-NAVY] Senior Crewman
Post Number: 44
Total Posts: 1054
Joined: Oct 2008
Status: Offline
|

RE: The Hypocrisy of Tolerance
|
|
November 7, 2008
10:28:30 AM
|
|
Gshlecc, I voted for Obama, and I couldn't stand McCain, but whatever our differences are politically, I stand with you on this. I have also faced the same thing many times, and although I would debate with you until the day we die about our candidates, I'd still respect you, and I would stand beside you on things we agree on, regardless of what your other beliefs are.
I will say I also agree with you because when I retired the first time I wouldn't have come back if it wasn't for the fact that I wanted to be a part of the VE, because I've been shouted down too.
FM/SCR Slasher/Nazgul 2-3/Phoenix wing/mSSD Atrus/1Flt/VEN/VE/(=*A*=)  
|
Dante
ComNet Expert

[VE-ARMY] Sergeant First Class
Post Number: 1727
Total Posts: 1920
Joined: Sep 2006
Status: Offline
|

RE: The Hypocrisy of Tolerance
|
|
November 7, 2008
12:10:13 AM
|
|
Quite frankly, the behavior you describe is inappropriate, no matter who does it or why.
I'll just say that this, sadly, isn't limited to one political camphere and leave it at that.
TRP/1SGDante/2SQD/1PLT/1COM/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE*HeavyWeapons * .:<<<Read the bloody manual!"Never believe a rumour of my demise. I have as many lives as a cat. Also as many teeth, as many claws, and the same cheery, cooperative disposition." Peter Wiggin, XenocideWashington:"I knew this plan would never work!" Church:"None of our plans ever work." Caboose:"That's why we carry guns" "You'll see, I'll show you, that when the chips are down, these uh... civilized people, they'll eat each other. You see, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve." The JokerClick here!
|
Arturus
ComNet Expert

[VE-NAVY] Lt. Commander
Post Number: 1997
Total Posts: 2143
Joined: Nov 2001
Status: Offline
|

RE: The Hypocrisy of Tolerance
|
|
November 7, 2008
1:36:05 PM
|
|
I'm not sure this is the place for this discussion nor that it should continue (I recommend Talon lock it). You've also greatly skewed and exaggerated the issue. Perhaps this is best dealt with in pm or in a frank private conversation on IRC?
As a commander you should know better than to try to stir up a controversial battle on a main comnet forum.
NCCA/Frigate Captain/LCM Corran "Arturus" Hargraves/Strike Cruiser Doashim/Task Force Alpha/1Flt/VE/VEN/(=A=)(=SA=)(=*MA*=)(=FCO=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)[CL:1][CL:2][CL:3][CL:4][MC:1](x3)[SV][BRC][VC:S][CBV][LoM](x2)[NS-6][LoR][BWC][SWC][GWC][LoC-DD][CM-PL] LCM Corran Hargraves, Deputy Sub-director Operations (PHANTOM), Vast Empire Intelligence Clearly Canadian!Biography
|
Angel
ComNet Disciple

[VE-ARMY] Senior Sergeant [VE-DJO] Sith Guardian
Post Number: 2615
Total Posts: 3342
Joined: Jul 2003
Status: Offline
|

RE: The Hypocrisy of Tolerance
|
|
November 7, 2008
2:32:07 PM
|
|
Actually I believe this is the perfect place to voice a complaint. He's not berating anyone in particular. He's not attacking anyone. He's asking people to be open minded and not trash people's views just because they are opposite to their own.
It's politics, no one can POSSIBLY be in the right. I personally despise discussing politics for many of the same reasons as Gshlecc. I was all for Tal banning politics in the main VE channel. Nothing good comes from discussing politics, it just drives people apart, rather than the other way around.
Senior Sergeant - Jikkyo "Angel" Nimiichi Platoon Adjutant - StormPlatoon | Squad Leader - Jester SquadPA-SL/SSG Angel/Jester/Storm/Phoenix/Dragon/Osiris/Tadath/Stormtrooper Corps/Vast Empire [LoR] [RoM] [GRoM] [IH] [CDS] [CoR] [WM] [BC] [SC] [AS-5] {BoA}------------------------ Sith Guardian - Darth Phoenix Dark Lord of the Sith - Dark CouncilDLoS/SG Phoenix/DC-04/Eagle 1-1/Dark Jedi Order/Vast Empire [VP:1]------------------------  
|
Gshlecc
ComNet Member

[VE-NAVY] Chief Warrant Officer
Post Number: 315
Total Posts: 1957
Joined: Jan 2008
Status: Offline
|

RE: The Hypocrisy of Tolerance
|
|
November 7, 2008
9:45:18 PM
|
|
thanks to Angel, Dante, and Slasher. i had hoped for more folks to come out and agree that we can disagree respectfully and dispassionatlely...there is still time.
SC|CWO Gshlecc "Driver" Atrasin/Nazgul 1-1/mSSD Atrus/1VENF/VEN/VE/[=A=][=^SA^=][=^ME^=][=*MA*=][MC1]{BWC}[NSR:H]{SAS} PLT|CWO Gshlecc "Grandpa" Atrasin/Reaper 2/ESC Tiamut/VENI/VEI/VE Vacuus Ordo, Nex -Without Order, Death All a man can betray is his conscience. - Joseph ConradWe few, we happy few. We band of brothers. - Henry V May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - General George S. Patton Jr.  
|
Kanderin Draken
ComNet Veteran

[VE-ARMY] Platoon Sergeant [VE-VEEC] Journalist
Post Number: 1129
Total Posts: 1849
Joined: Mar 2006
Status: Offline
|

RE: The Hypocrisy of Tolerance
|
|
November 8, 2008
6:52:03 AM
|
|
I agree that you should be able to express your personal opinon as long as it doesn't aim to intentionally offend someone. I also know from first hand experience, that you can be somewhat heavy handed in your delivery of it, and it can offend people sometimes.
Therefore, I dont believe that in your own experience you were hounded because of your belief, but of how you said it. Then again, I was on leave during this entire thing, and thus I wouldn't truly know. Just food for thought.
=================Army=================== Sergeant First Class Kanderin Draken Wraith Squad Leader ~ W i l d c a r d P l a t o o n ~ Wraith Squad Motto: When staring in the face of death we see our reflection SL/SFC Kanderin/3SQD/1PLT/1COM/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE [LoS] [IH][GRP] =============Special Operations================ ~Phantom~Phantom Lead Xephilus Sekine/Alpha Squad/Alpha Team - 1/VE
|
Rogueboy
ComNet Expert Imperial Duke

[VE-ARMY] Platoon Sergeant
Post Number: 1520
Total Posts: 2089
Joined: Dec 2005
Status: Offline
|

RE: The Hypocrisy of Tolerance
|
|
November 8, 2008
3:23:39 PM
|
|
Angel I disagree in Politics you can be in the right, you just can't be correct 
Heavy Weapons Specialist
He will give them death, and they will love him for it -Gladiator
Eat a hearty breakfast men, for tonight we dine in hell -300
A man, can be an artist, at anything food, whatever... it just depends on how good they are at it. Creases art is death... he's about to paint his masterpiece -Man on Fire
TRP/PSG_Rogueboy/2SQS/1PLT/1COM/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE [LoR][ES1][CDS][CoR][EW2][IH][GRP]
Clearly Canadian!
|