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Kiption
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  VE Wallet
December 2, 2008 1:06:15 AM    View the profile of Kiption 
Proposal VE Wallet

Introduction

Currently there are several applications that have been written by members of the Vast Empire that allow access to the database.  Those applications are allowed access to the database because they have been written by trusted developers.  This means of development cannot continue because the list of trusted developers has decreased dramatically over the years.  In order to provide more applications that can be used by members of the Vast Empire, an ability to access limited parts of the database must be created. 

Requirements

In order for this to be a valuable component of the Vast Empire architecture, there must be several things that can be done on a wallet.

1. The wallet must allow for an identity to be provided and logged into from an external connection.  This access will provide a session ID that can be used to access various parts of the wallet.  Session id should be something along the lines of a hash made up of the website and the user name and password.

2. The wallet must allow for IC's to be transferred between a FGB account and a wallet. 

3. The wallet must allow for IC's to be transferred between wallets.

4. The wallet must be persistent for as long as the user wants his wallet to exist.  Sites must be able to rely on the session information returned by the wallet in order to link data to a user.  This will allow databases to keep information and link them to users that are logged in.

  a. The user must be able to delete the wallet whenever they feel it is necessary.  This means that the session id must no longer provide access to the website.


VEEC Use Case

Doing this will allow more applications the ability to link into the VE profiles of users.  This would allow applications like the VEEC website to provide a login that is similar to the one that is used to log into the VE website.

0: A user will visit the VEEC website.
1: User clicks on the log in link.
2: Web browser redirects the user to the VE.com/wallet website
3: Based on the website referrer the wallet code is able to determine if the user has linked to the requesting website.
  3.1: If the user has a session stored off for this website, then a session id is returned to the requesting website
  3.2: If the user does not have a session stored off for this website, then a login and password box should be displayed.
    3.2.1: Upon successful login, the session information is stored in the wallet database and the session id is returned to the requesting website.
4: The website is able to request information based on the user session that is returned to the website using json or some similar technology.


I'm sure that when Kadann writes this, it'll be a lot more thought out than what I can do in 30 mins.  But if members want new applications to play with, this is an important first step.
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  RE: VE Wallet
December 2, 2008 1:19:04 AM    View the profile of Kadann 
That sounds good.  I like it.

Similar to the Imperitrade type function for a new 'account' but would just allow others to write functions to modify the contents of the wallet.

This could even go a step further to include store items as well.  That could also be something else as it would be more like a 'backpack'.

What types of applications are you looking to write with something like this?
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  RE: VE Wallet
December 2, 2008 9:18:01 AM    View the profile of Kiption 
I don't have in definitive plans yet.

A casino could take advantage of this.  The owner of the casino would have to make sure that he had enough money to cover the payouts in their wallet.

A flea market application would be interesting, people could trade their store bought items or auction/sell off their luxury items.

A web based role playing game that would allow people to participate against other characters.  Similar to the world conquest game that several of us were playing a while ago.

Squad based site could have areas built in that are limited to just members of that squad.

Those are just the ideas off the top of my head.  I don't know what other people want to do with this type of functionality. 

I was thinking about this a bit more after I logged off.  We could add some kind of fraud detection ability, or at least help us find someone to yell at when things get hosed by having developer licenses that are site specific.
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[This message has been edited by Kiption (edited December 2, 2008 9:19:02 AM)]
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  RE: VE Wallet
December 2, 2008 9:45:12 AM    View the profile of Zane ZyCrusis 
I don't know who can post but I had an idea, maybe just a small one though. With this wallet thing, people could own their own stores. Someone could sell ships, creatures, goods, weapons just like imp. center store. But so it doesn't lose money those stores need to get their goods from the imp. center store then sell them at their own stores. Kind of like the flea market idea only the stores are a bit more independent and the person can actually run them by their selves earning more money. People could take stocks in the stores like in real life business. You could have different levels going from kiosk, to small store to a larger store, to a big business, to a huge corporate business and so forth. Not only will the owner make money but he could higher a few people and the people buying stocks would gain money too. Their could also be a way to take loans out of the imp. bank too. That way if people need money they could borrow and slowly pay it off. Maybe even have some sort of "credit check" to make sure they have always paid it off before continuing to take loans in their bank account or something. Also we should start having imperial credit cards/ debit cards type things. They could be like small chips. I write stories once in a while and one I had wrote had a small computerized device. It was small and it had a very powerful but not to expensive micro chip like device which stored money or credits.  You could make this device be like a credit/ debit card like thing. The wallet would be for the actual physical credits. The little device could be for like a futuristic credit/debit card. I don't know I might think of more. Just thought I'd add an Idea or two that popped into my head.
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  RE: VE Wallet
December 2, 2008 9:49:19 AM    View the profile of Dante 
The store idea's been tried before, and shot down.
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  RE: VE Wallet
December 2, 2008 6:36:37 PM    View the profile of Kiption 
Another feature that should probably be added:

Permissions:
  Permission to view user biography, etc.
  Permission to view Store Purchases
  Permission to sell Store Purchases
  Permission to add Store Purchases
  Permission to view IC's in the wallet
  Permission to manipulate the IC's in the wallet.

This way applications have varying levels of trust. 

For example, I don't trust the VEEC to manipulate the IC's in my wallet, but they can use my wallet to verify my credentials.  I'd also like to see this used as an open Id down the road.  The only problem with that is there are few people that use the openId as a means to login, (although a lot of people off credentials).
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December 2, 2008 6:39:21 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Thing with the individual store's is that it'd be very expensive - to purchase items from the ICS, have a website with a similar shopping cart, etc... If this was even possible, I would imagine that the individual person would have to make at least a 600-800 million IC deposit up front before venturing into something like this.

And yeah - virtually no one would be able to. :P
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  RE: VE Wallet
December 3, 2008 9:48:56 AM    View the profile of Zane ZyCrusis 
Yah like I said an idea. I don't know more will come though. This sounds like a really cool project though. I agree though and like I had said before the credit thing would be cool, and I still like my idea for the loans for the new people who start and maybe want to buy a few things you know. You can always put restrictions if you want. Making sites and stuff for the VE sounds really intriguing
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  RE: VE Wallet
December 3, 2008 12:39:44 AM    View the profile of Luckystar 
I don't know how the credit card idea would work because I'm not sure how it could be implemented in a story but like you said, was just an idea. Nice try though.
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  RE: VE Wallet
December 3, 2008 5:10:07 PM    View the profile of Zane ZyCrusis 
Yah, I don't know though maybe for the imp. store. They could give one out to those with good credit which the wallet could show and tell. It could bring money back to the imp. store to and you could save your hard earned ic's until the bill us due of however we end up paying for it as we all know we would have too. Maybe we could incorporate the credit and debit cards into the meals, houses, insurance pages too.
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