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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
9:21:58 AM
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That made no sense, even with your explination.
Will, I can agree that the overall Navy perhaps does have specialties. People are Engineers, Capital Ship pilots, Fighter Coordinators, Cooks, deck swabs, communications specialists, sensor specialists, or PILOTS. It just so happens that all "player characters" in the Navy are pilots with only a VERY few exceptions (command staff), and we all started out as pilots.
So, I still stand unconvinced, and this is verging further and further off-topic. I suggest that if you (collectively) would like to try to convince me to impliment Navy specialties, you make a topic on the Navy Comnet with a coherent and thought-out proposal. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
10:24:14 AM
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I keep tellin that Dr. Mallard dude to use that title to enhance his character. Don't know if he does or not. Extra specialties would be nice. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
11:16:50 AM
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K, Ill do that Jap
*Gos off to think of what to say* -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
11:20:31 AM
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I'll note that I'm unlikely to give much consideration to proposals about Navy policy comming from a green Army PFC. :P I'll look at it, but it'd hafta be damn good to even warrant much consideration on my part. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
11:23:50 AM
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Wow.......that kinda hurt......
Does it matter who it comes from, as long as the subject and proposal makes sense and is relevant to the current situation? Do you really make decisions like that based on rank, not on the quality of the idea proposed? -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
2:32:06 PM
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All I meant was to have each person "trained" to pilot a specific fighter. Like a person trained to handle Interceptors would pilot a TIE Interceptor. I didn't suggest anything big, but how each squadron tends to have a fighter that they fly, well, we could break it up per flight. For example, Nazgul Flight One could specialize in TIE Interceptor piloting, Flight Two in TIE Bombers, and Flight Three in TIE Fighters. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
3:11:22 PM
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My implication there was that new Army members, out of all VE members, know the least about how the Navy operates in general. I did say I would read it, but again, it must be very well thought out to warrant me thinking about implimenting it.
Jack, to a degree we do this already. Instead of being organized on a flight level, we do it on a squadron level. We have on several occations also temporarily issued squadrons a different set of fighters in order to better fufil a mission objective (We once put Kaph in Assault Gunboats to better facilitate them taking down capital-scale ships and platforms durring a planetary assault). -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
3:20:53 PM
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This is too insult you or anything, but why leave things the way they are if there is room for improvement, and that improvement can be done. A little hard work is always involved, but I think its worth it. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
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I agree with Japth Jak, we dont know whats going on the navy, and its for the navy to decide if there is or needs room for improvement. |
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
3:36:38 PM
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True, I can see how my opinion wouldn't be valued as much since I'm in the Army. Naval affairs should be taken care of within the Navy, I know that, It's just a suggestion to maybe spark something like that. Jack and Will think its a good idea too, and well look, they're in the Navy  -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
4:32:58 PM
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Membership or lack thereof does not make anyone more right than anyone else.
As for the army, we have been years in the specialty game and still don't have the ball rolling as it should.
I also see Heth's point on this. A pilot has to maintain his craft to an extent, plus do comms, targeting, navigation, recon, and oh, the occasional fighting. Pilots *are* a specialty unto themselves.
The army problem was one of people running around mad with blaster pistols and never trying to address the problems created when you need backup, have a wound, need a door expertly taken down. The navy has pilots who do pilot things. Simple proposition solved by trained professionals across the board. The army's situation calls for more distinct and expert resources. Not every trooper can be a jack-of-all-trades, but all pilots just need to be pilots. Their support roles are best covered by NPCs.
As for your new, non-Navy status being a detriment to your argument, realize this one, very important and vital fact: you have yet to establish yourself in the club. If I had a nickel for every new trooper that rushes in and has all these ideas to totally remake this club, that proposes change for change's sake irregardless of the work and upheaval it creates, I could at least go out and get a new XBox game.
Your energy is to be commended, plus the desire to make things better. That said, realize what you are asking of the membership, and understand the work load it will entail. And finally, grasp and acknowledge the gains that may be made from the change. For the navy, according to Heth and, heck, according to my view of the landscape, specialization doesn't gain them much.
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
4:44:24 PM
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I'm not completely sure what it is your asking any more... Are you looking for different people for different things? An engineer here wouldn't be quite the same thing as in the Army, or a medic for that matter. Most of our stuff is space or on some occasions, within atmosphere. Its not likely we'll have an extra bit of personell with us in a situation like that. Both engineers and medics would stay on board the star destroyer or whatever...
But, if your asking for different pilots in general, we can't quite do that because the pilots arn't necessarilly always needed. Like Japh was sayin, we pick our ships for the mission. You don't send a bomber group against fighters... Thats suicide incase your not exactly sure...
An army man might lay down his medical tools in order to fight an oncoming foe. Some other form of training along with being a pilot might be useful though. A pilot capable of treating serious wounds, or repairing thier ship or others efficiently. Something like that would be useful. But it couldn't work on every single mission because it might not come up. I like the idea of pilots having extra specialties, that could really help along the whole character developement bit we have goin.
I know Jen is very well educated in the ways of plant life and what they can do for medicine. Jack Nebulax has a girl friend who does that type of thing... These ideas add to a story, but arn't the basis. The theme will be seperate from 'I'm a medic so thats what I do...' It would be more like, 'I'm a pilot, but theres an injured member of my squadron laying on the hanger bay floor... I think I'll go help because I have medical training."
(And yes, other jobs might arrise, I just used those two because thats all I could think of just now... *Shrug* It could work.)
Am I completely off in what you were looking at or am I in the general area?
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
5:07:11 PM
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There is absolutely no problem with members of the Navy having skills that range outside of being a fighter pilot. In fact, I STRONGLY encourage it. If someone spent some time as an EMT and has medical training? Peachy! If you know how to pilot a capital ship? Rockin'. Do you happen to be a decent slicer AND a respectable pilot? Alright!
Those things are largely outside of the training the Navy is likely to give you, however. The specialty system in the Army represents extra training beyond simply firing weapons and learning how to march. It is there to ensure that in the field a squad can have their bases covered. If someone gets hurt, the squad has a medic, doors need opening, demolitions or slicers. That sort of thing
Navy missions largely take place with its members in space. This is not very condusive to being able to regularly employ skills outside of those needed for being a pilot. While I would like to try to come up with ideas that don't leave pilots stuck in their cockpits all the time (which I know, can get repetitive), there is a danger in leaving them out of the cockpit, guns in hand and storming some Rebel base somewhere: That's the Army's turf. We've talked about having pilots doing capital-ship boarding and such, or even operating like the unit depicted in the Wraith Squadron books, but we keep running into the problem of overlapping duties.
Anyhow, to sum it all up, I'm still not convinced that we need specialties in the Navy, simply because specialties represent something that Navy is not likely to be doing in the first place. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
10:14:26 PM
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Alright, I understand. I didn't take in the concept of being "well-rounded" to being a Navy pilot, because they truly must be to even get it off the ground. I now understand the need for specialties in the Army, I just thought it would make the Navy more interesting. Now that I realize what it does take to be a pilot in the Navy, I respect you all even more. Sorry for shooting off ideas where I shouldn't, and meddling in affairs that shouldn't be meddled with on my part, I'll stick with the Army, and try and keep my mouth shut. <----a very difficult task -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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June 30, 2005
11:26:53 PM
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Don't feel like your unwelcome man. Your not, but you are, lol. I think we're pretty welcoming about this type of stuff... And although we don't have those specialties, it doesn't mean we don't create them out of absolutely no where. I know we've boarded other ships and destoyed them from within on a whim... Or taken off onto a planet to go after people. By god, we put ourselves in more life threatening situations for more useless reasons than I can begin to think sane, but by god it makes one hell of a story. And thats why we're the Navy.
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
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. . .its not as off topic as you think. . . -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
8:06:13 AM
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Shazam, that made the most sense of any post here, thanks. I knew you guys fought with your craft, but I didnt know that you actually got out and completed missions. Wow. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
8:09:38 AM
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Basically they are all like Rogue squadron in the books. They do ground work also sometimes. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
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I know some Shotokan Karate and can play guitars as well... And thats why we're better than Rogue Squadron. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
9:11:44 AM
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Like Shazam said, my character came from a planet of mainly biologists or doctors. She has many years of studying under her belt as a doctor focusing on using plant life as a cure, so I guess Nazgul's covered. ^-^
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
9:17:40 AM
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Don't get us wrong, the Navy still has a ways to go in terms of getting it all back together, but I think we have our pilots situation alright. And Japh mentioned above it was okay for you to have other skills Jack. I suppose the same would go for the type of fighter you fly.
Per say, your assigned to a mission with a TIE interceptor, but you are better with an advanced or you like it more or something.... I dunno, you can still have preferenced but fly in another craft. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
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Yeh...We pilots can read minds...  -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
11:54:26 PM
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Did somebody call for a medic?
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 1, 2005
11:56:51 PM
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Updated my signature to reflect my status. :-/
I should come back.
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FINE! I'll stay on Eriadu, assholes!
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 2, 2005
12:37:16 AM
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Cutos to you on your ability to show up out of absolutely no where... Seeings how you joined in 02, and have only posted 24 times, I would have to assume you came here by freak chance and you also keep your nails in pristine order...
Good for you. Your rare and dying breed.
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 2, 2005
1:26:00 AM
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Kudos? Anyway, I started putting people back together February 28, 2001 in the Chapter 6 back on the old ComNet. Sadly I wasn't able to do much in that story because the squad I was with took off without me. So yeah, I was the first medic in the VE and as far as I've heard the first one with a real specialty. -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 2, 2005
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you can back to clear that upf or us? -----------------------
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RE: Medics in VE
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July 2, 2005
8:56:45 AM
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OR are you sticking around this time stitch? -----------------------
Jaden Khaar
Vast Empire
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Rising out of the Ashes of the past, fighting for the Glory of the Empire of Future- Phoenix Wing Motto...
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