hmmm, intresting, o got my defintion of perspective wrong...damn english teacher....

Vint, you are not making this easy are you?
Okay, i aplogise, i got my definitions wrong etc!...just don't bite my head off

Okay, first of all, congrats Vint, you added some input to this topic that made me think
Back to what I was going to say: We discussed this already, we as human beings have a set decision on what we believe is good and bad. That is our perspective. What we were taught was someone elses "perspective". This topic was created by Hellra to further discuss and elaborate on the topic so we could decide ourselves what good and bad was. I believe we came to the conclusion that there really is no good and bad, because there is constant conflicting of the two. Idealy, we would find a space inbetween, but the definition of neutral in this situation doesn't fit.
 
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"Courage and bravery are your two primary weapons on the battlefield, without them, it is difficult and sometimes impossible to prevail"-Jakireth Cadrimos

Very long and confusing sentence...
I think you mean that there truly is no bad and good in this world, for we have only created the terms so we can determine what is right and wrong. The definitions of those words make no sense when applied in this way, so you can say that bad and good is just a term that is irrelevant in todays society, well, at least to those who can think about it.
 
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"Courage and bravery are your two primary weapons on the battlefield, without them, it is difficult and sometimes impossible to prevail"-Jakireth Cadrimos

Lol, lets just leave it at what we've got so no more confusion comes into play.
 
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"Courage and bravery are your two primary weapons on the battlefield, without them, it is difficult and sometimes impossible to prevail"-Jakireth Cadrimos

ah, but people do believe in them and thats why things are theway they are, there is no point to anything and all achievments are empty, there is nothing but now and here, you ask for a reason? boredum i guess, lets face it,half of eveything is what people enjoy and do not enjoy, i see that as the bassis for our original conception of good and evil, becuase people percieved that somethings where more or less fun and somethings where downright miserable, those feelings have nothing to do with good and bad, however in order to keep peace sence in tearly days people would have acted on thier emotions and when somebody made them feel unhappy they would have sought satisfaction, so keep things stable good and bad were likely early concepts that arose with the creation of Gods (again i dont mean this in an anti-religious way, but any God you do not believe in must have been made up; right?) to give good and bad a credable foundation and again keep the peace, and stability, it was likely conceved by those that were weaker but more cunning, becuase in a stable world they would survive and they  could manipulate it to fit thier will, making them go from a place of no power to a place of ultimate power. now, when we do something that is against the morals taught to us by those that came before we feel guilt unless we do not percieve a wrong, becuase we are all compasionate inside, but the way the world works and the way our perceptions change make us seem less compasionate, but its still there, but out justifications and such do not always allow to be seen. Feelings exist without good and bad, feeling full is better than starving, playing baseball is more fun than being tortured on the rack, this is and would be without god and evill,

we could easily, have created it, it is far from beyond us and likely it would not have been difficult becuase we do have feelings and good and bad would have come about to protect those, for in truth it seems, those are what people realy care about most, thier feelings.

even from a religious perspective, if say a diety did create good and evil, tbey still had to make it up and draw the line, for they did create the entire world, all of it that is good and all of it that is bad and so they must be both spheres, however rewards are givin to those that fallow the rules it set and those that didnt get death, or something worse as is the case with many cults, most notable of course being christianity. likely it is no more than a game to even the diety who was likely bored in non-exitstance and so created what we see as existance and still likely quite bored with us, or now, we are quite lively.
 
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"Next time I hide something, I'm packing explosives around it. Explosives shaped like silver bananas! Stops thieves, monkeys and monkey thieves in one fell swoop." - Kang the Mad

More than once I've thought to myself, theres no way in hell this crap is real.  In fact, I think I've confirmed it to myself several times over, lol.  But then again, do you know the chance of life being created?  I mean....  Do you realize that out of all the transactions that could have been created, it had to start somewhere.  The big bang?  C'mon...  So out of nowhere, without anything at all, everything was created.  I find that very hard to beleive.

You go to a park and look at all the rocks in the area with the swings, and you say to yourself, our planet is one of those rocks...  That's messed up.  Out of all of those other rocks, we're alive and most of them are just gas and rock...  Maybe there's aliens out there.  Probably.  Or probably not.

Its the weird things that keep me interested.  Super natural things do occur.  Things we cannot explain, and thus, if you beleive in christianity, you gotta beleive in the good and evil.  Probably why I keep postin here....

(Its these weaties, I'm tellin ya...)

And have you ever listened to a song and thought to yourself, this is good?  Like this is correct?  And when you do something bad the notion that this is indeed 'wrong' comes into your head.  You become hesitant both because you think of concequences (which we have created, as you mentioned), but also because we have a natural concious.  Without that, we'd totally suck.

Listen to some Karen Carpenter and you'll be flyin, lol.
 
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Where did God come from?  I dunno, but I don't care.  Me and Jesus will just have to try and saranade the rest of the world into submission with some kick butt rock genre music.


 
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