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Arturus
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  RE: Habemus Papam
April 23, 2005 4:24:08 PM    View the profile of Arturus 
This is where it gets really interresting, discussing the differences between the denominations and one's personal beliefs.  At my university, they have a society called the Campus Crusade for Christ.  Despite the fact I do not subscribe to their religious doctrine I agreed to do one of the little discussions they have about their beliefs and so on purely out of interest sake.  In the end they indirectly deemed me as some kind of twisted Christian who fails to follow the faith properly.

I personally believe that God is with each and everyone one of us, we do need to invite him in with us because he is already there, we simply need to recognize his presence.  My feeling is that our guilty conscious is God speaking to us and guiding us when we have sinned.  As for having to choose to open our hearts to God and let him guide us.  That is where I seem to have a difference of view with at least the people I talked to from the CCC.  They believed that one must let God steer your actions.  I believe that God gave us the power of rational and logical thought and that it is up to us to use this intellect to make rational decisions to follow the teachings of God: peace, charity, and compassion.  If we fail to do so, that is what confession is for.

In the end, I do not feel that one must be perfect to get into heaven, indeed even if we have sinned throughout life and not followed the teachings of God, if in the end if we repent, we will still be welcomed into his kingdom.  In the Parable of the lost son (Luke 15:32) "But now we must celebrate and rejoice, because your brother was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found."  In other words, God designed man with rational and logical thought and when we go astray, which is natural for humans are not perfect, if we ask for forgiveness we shall receieve forgiveness and be welcomed into the kingdom.

In the end it was rather funny because the look of the faces of the two I talked to after I went through my whole little thing about rational and logical thought rather than letting God steer our actions and some of my other beliefs regarding nature, they seemed rather shocked and a tad angry.

Anyway, its a fascinating subject to discuss.
 
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Sniping101
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  RE: Habemus Papam
April 24, 2005 9:31:19 PM    View the profile of Sniping101 
I'm not aetheist, this is just food for thought. Personaly i'm with Herman Hesse, saying docterines only get in the way.

http://mbc.church.missouri.org/cathlic2.htm

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

http://mbc.church.missouri.org/catholic.htm  (one thing about this guy is he dose, i believe, misuse the word "cult" as it simply means any religious group, hence my bumper sticker that says "Christianity is a Cult")
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  RE: Habemus Papam
April 25, 2005 6:00:49 PM    View the profile of Shazam 
You beleive in spirits you say... So that brings me to ask...  What type of spirits?  If you beleive in evil spirts, you could believe in demons, or if you beleive in good spirits...  Well, I suppose you could be talking about angels.  Its all very tricky if you try to make it that way, but I figure, if you beleive in spirits, you beleive in a whole lot of other things.  I'm what is known as the 'disturbed catholic...'  My interest fall souly under the whole exercism bit and stigmata is interesting too...  Basically what I beleive is based off of what I've discovered upon reading up on that stuff, and it's surprisingly clear once you do that.  I think everything works itself out, and you do what you do...  Its fun really, but you always feel like your wasting time... 
 
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