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Trykon
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  "Mundane Sci Fi"
October 1, 2012 6:44:42 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Found a cool article about mundane science fiction, that asks, "is it possible to have a wild, exciting space adventure without resorting to magic?"

There's even a quote from a Star Wars writer. 
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  RE: "Mundane Sci Fi"
October 1, 2012 7:40:39 PM    View the profile of Serpent 
That's a very fascinating article, Trick, and something I have been discussing with my friends (who also write for fun for things like Nano) for a long time.

Trying to get around the fanciful ideas of sci-fi, and yet still have that grand sense of scale is very tough, and it is for that reason that I love reading up on the development of new technologies for space exploration.

I mean, when I was a kid, Warp drive was just something on Star Trek, and 'solar sails' was an interesting quirk of Eldar technology in the Warhammer 40k universe.

Now, of course, Warp drive is theoretically possible (according to Stephen Hawking, who knows more about physics than anyone else alive), and as for solar sails, well, the Japanese tested them in space on a probe last year!  So they are now real!

So yes, grand sci-fi without fanciful, almost 'magic' ideas is tough.  By remember, our definitions of impossible are always changing....
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  RE: "Mundane Sci Fi"
October 1, 2012 11:22:26 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
I guess for me it comes down to how science and technology are used by the author.

Star Wars, for example, isn't science fiction, by my reckoning.  Like the writer quoted in the article, I think of it as its own thing, apart from true "science fiction."  It's closer to fantasy, complete with dueling knights, sorcerers and their apprentices, princesses that need rescuing, and mythic morality and magic, only with rivets and spaceships as set dressing.  Science is openly contradicted in the service of a good yarn (Starfighters fly like World War II prop planes), and technology is never even partially explained (How does a hyperdrive work?  Nobody knows.)

Star Trek, on the other hand, has always felt like it's trying to imagine a plausible future, based on technological advances that could actually come into being, only with bumpy-headed humanoid "aliens" as set dressing.  Scientific laws are at least acknowledged, and technology is at least given the benefit of some technobabble speeches.  Neither of these titanic franchises are "hard sci fi," obviously, but Star Trek seems to be telling essentially Science Fiction stories (that is, teasing out the effects on human relationships and society that occur after future advances in technology and contact with alien civilizations), while Star Wars seems concerned with telling Fantasy Adventure stories (the Monomyth remixed, etc.).

Just fun to think about/discuss.  Glad you thought so too. 
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  RE: "Mundane Sci Fi"
October 2, 2012 12:11:12 AM    View the profile of Hades 
Great article. Thanks for the link, Trick,  and I totally agree -- it's quite often hard for us to imagine sci-fi without the 'magical' side of things.

But in my opinion, that's what it comes down to. We write sci-fi and fantasy so we are not limited by today's technologies and cultures, so that stories can be more than just another crime-fiction or similar. We write sci-fi for it to be fantastical, amazing, jaw-dropping -- for it to include things we have never encountered on this Earth, and probably never will.

The way I think of it is like this: Our sci-fi stories are canvases on which we paint the most creative, abstract pictures in our imagination.


EDIT: Hyperdrives aren't as unexplained as you think, Trykon

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  RE: "Mundane Sci Fi"
October 2, 2012 12:52:49 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
I refer you to the wookieepedia page on "Hyperspace":
Quote:It was a phenomenon not completely understood by scientists; it was alternately described as a parallel universe, an extra dimension of space, an alternate mode of physical existence, or simply the universe as viewed traveling faster than the speed of light.



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  RE: "Mundane Sci Fi"
October 2, 2012 5:37:51 AM    View the profile of Hades 
Ah, but your question was 'how does a hyperdrive work?'

I refer you to the wookieepedia page on Hyperdrives.
Quote:After receiving commands from a ship's pilot via paralight system, the process of a hyperspace jump began with the collection of gamma  radiation  by the field guide. A motivator would build up and modify the energy in a fusion generator through several kilometers of looped superconducting wire. To enter hyperspace, the hyperdrive's horizontal boosters would provide energy to the ionization chamber to begin ignition that would release the radiation, causing ripples in the time-space matrix and allowing the ship to propel off the ripples into hyperspace. Inertial dampers were used to protect the ship, crew, and cargo from being crushed by the tremendous acceleration of the jump. Once in hyperspace, a null quantum field generator helped stabilize the vessel and kept it from prematurely emerging from the alternate dimension. Shields also protected the ship from fatal collisions with interstellar gas and dark matter particles. To prevent the relativistic passing of time while in hyperspace, starships used stasis fields attuned to hyperdrive levels to keep organic onboard crews or cargoes "in time" with the standard galactic dimension.

Certain hyperdrives used antimatter as fuel, stored in special anti-matter pods, though it remains unclear how this integrated with other hyperdrive mechanics.

Upon exiting hyperspace an unknown technology was used to decelerate the starship. Both entrances into and exits from hyperspace created wake rotation and Cronau radiation that produced a detectable signature often used to reconnoiter fleet movements or by planetary customs authorities. Other technologies, such as the 4-axial stabilizer and hyperdrive regulator kept the ship from being ripped apart by the physics of hyperspace travel. To prevent overheating, some hyperdrives made use of overheat fail safes, like a hyperspace shunt or transpacitor, or alluvial dampers to regulate the flow of ion particles used to provide superluminal thrust.

A hyperdrive could only initiate a jump into hyperspace when reasonably free of the gravitic pull of a major celestial body. Sublight engines were used to liberate the starship from a body's gravity well before the ship could jump. Hyperdrives included an automatic failsafe that cut out the hyperdrive when a gravity well was detected in the navigational path. While this was used to prevent a collision in the event of an astrogational error, the failsafe was exploited by engineers to create artificial gravity wells, such as those used on Imperial Immobilizer 418 cruisers or Hapan mass mines, to either pull starships from hyperspace at a specific location or to prevent them from fleeing into hyperspace. This, of course, relied on either knowledge of a starship's travel pattern or being situated along a particularly popular hyperspace route. Some systems allowed an override of the failsafe, but it was known to have disastrous effects.

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  RE: "Mundane Sci Fi"
October 2, 2012 1:59:03 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Bah humbug. 
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October 2, 2012 2:06:50 PM    View the profile of Raziel 
Serpent wrote:That's a very fascinating article, Trick, and something I have been discussing with my friends (who also write for fun for things like Nano) for a long time.

Trying to get around the fanciful ideas of sci-fi, and yet still have that grand sense of scale is very tough, and it is for that reason that I love reading up on the development of new technologies for space exploration.

I mean, when I was a kid, Warp drive was just something on Star Trek, and 'solar sails' was an interesting quirk of Eldar technology in the Warhammer 40k universe.

Now, of course, Warp drive is theoretically possible (according to Stephen Hawking, who knows more about physics than anyone else alive), and as for solar sails, well, the Japanese tested them in space on a probe last year!  So they are now real!

So yes, grand sci-fi without fanciful, almost 'magic' ideas is tough.  By remember, our definitions of impossible are always changing....

The bit in bold is utter bollocks, btw
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October 2, 2012 2:09:17 PM    View the profile of Raziel 
Oh, and go and read some iain m banks for some hard co scifi
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