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Raziel
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 20, 2011 4:48:54 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 20, 2011 4:56:13 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
See, already, just with that very basic page up, I've learned a couple of new things about the VE timeline (well, new to me).  Very pleased this is being developed. 
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 22, 2011 5:20:54 AM    View the profile of Atrasin 
some info about Non-human Imperials vial Wookipedia. some is canon, some is game related.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Imperial_non-Humans
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 23, 2011 10:47:45 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Could some people on the navy side start pulling together some of the major story lines since chapter 8?

I think Garryll may have volunteered himself on the army side!
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"God does not play dice with the universe" - Albert Einstein
"Who are you to tell God what to do with his dice?" - Bohr
"God does not play dice with the universe. He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time." - Terry Pratchett
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 23, 2011 10:57:55 AM    View the profile of Garryll Gates 
That I did. I guess I'll start...
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May 23, 2011 12:59:53 AM    View the profile of Drac 
Sure. That I can handle no problem.

Beat ya to it, Tryk. Nah, help if you want.

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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 23, 2011 1:25:35 PM    View the profile of Raziel 
I should say if you want to add stuff to that wiki page as you go, please do!

It's there for everyone to start adding stuff, as we go along we can edit and reshape it until we have something useful for new recruits.

I know the navy is good at this, but the army doesn't have much stuff for new recruits on the wiki and we should probably look at that. Then we could have something approaching a solid central resource for all new members and get everyone on the same page before chapter 9!
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"God does not play dice with the universe" - Albert Einstein
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"God does not play dice with the universe. He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time." - Terry Pratchett
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 23, 2011 2:21:01 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
LOL @ Drac.  You can take point on this; just keep me in the loop as the Navy overview comes together, and I'll help as much as I can.

I'm PSYCHED that we're updating things for new recruits, Army and Navy, especially going into a new Chapter.
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 23, 2011 2:41:24 PM    View the profile of DeepSix 
Yes, change is good... Updates in particular also happen to be safe as well.
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 23, 2011 7:12:55 PM    View the profile of Raziel 
I've reworded the races part to try and make it plain to everyone that there are very few limitations on characters being proposed. The uncommon characters would just need to recruits to show an appreciation of the issues in their biography. As I discussed with Stormz the banned list only has two on it at the moment and would only include very extreme races and Force based creatures. Do I bother adding ewoks? lol


The lists aren't meant to be exhaustive, just indicative, so it doesn't need to be huge. But if there are any glaring omissions go ahead and put them where you think there should be, with reasoning!
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"God does not play dice with the universe" - Albert Einstein
"Who are you to tell God what to do with his dice?" - Bohr
"God does not play dice with the universe. He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time." - Terry Pratchett
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 23, 2011 7:23:31 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
I think the wording is getting better: more a challenge for new folks to support the choices they make, taking into consideration the info available, rather than saying "no" to potential choices.
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 23, 2011 8:49:08 PM    View the profile of Fury 
Well, I have gotten a little feedback with folks being concerned about the term "races".

Never mind the squeamishness implied with that, though that is a concern to be acknowledged, but the term we should be using is actually "species". There are many races of humans, including skin color and mutations. The folks on Mustafar are just very, very mutated forms of human as I remember. And there are three different races of Nikto, the dog-faced guards you see working for the Hutts.

Neimodians and Duros are apparently the same race too, but are treated as two separate species given the length of time their common ancestors diverged.

So, to ease some minds, and in the interests of actually being correct in the terminology, can we set aside one form of argument and agree to using species from here on out?

I'm open to any counter-arguments but figured I'd poke my nose in on this as I've been asked.
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 23, 2011 8:52:46 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Absolutely.  As one of the first to cringe at the term "banned races," I fully support talking about backgrounds in terms of species, when/if we talk about it.  As you point out, Fury, beyond being politically correct it's also, uh, correct.
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 24, 2011 2:02:44 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Truth be told I hadn't even considered those connotations. I imagine south african members in particular would find such nomenclature distasteful. This is better all around.
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"God does not play dice with the universe" - Albert Einstein
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 24, 2011 6:10:07 AM    View the profile of Atrasin 
really? i just envision Led Zeppelin trying to out run Pearl Jam...
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 24, 2011 9:20:17 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Any Army Academy bods reading this topic?

Could we work towards having an academy resource similar to what the Navy has?
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 24, 2011 10:53:35 AM    View the profile of Drac 
I'd be happy to speak with any Army personnel who want to consult with us about how we developed Academy resources and why, and I'm confident that Stormz and Slasher would be quite open as well. Tryk's also got some new stuff in the works that you might like to learn about.

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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 24, 2011 12:55:48 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
Slasher's on leave this week, but as his "understudy" for the VENA I'm more than happy to discuss the Academy's entry-level programming as well as a certain special project of my own that Drac alluded to just now... Anybody in the VE is welcome to ping me on irc or shoot me a PM with questions. 
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May 27, 2011 4:55:04 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
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May 27, 2011 4:57:08 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Question if we end up with people on both sides happy that we have created a guide for all members that gives them a run down of the Vast Empire's place in the Galaxy (our location history etc) do we link to it from our respective academies and also have links back from the guide to the academy pages?

Certainly the Army academy pages need remodelling to match the Navy side. Would it make sense for both academy pages to link to the page we're working on in the end as a "Vast Empire Universe Orientation" ?
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"God does not play dice with the universe" - Albert Einstein
"Who are you to tell God what to do with his dice?" - Bohr
"God does not play dice with the universe. He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time." - Terry Pratchett
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May 27, 2011 8:28:11 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
As far as I know the Navy would love to have a timeline/map/canon resource to which we could direct new people...  A VE Universe Orientation fits the bill.
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May 28, 2011 5:04:12 PM    View the profile of DeepSix 
Took the liberty of adding Hutts to the banned list seeing how 1. they wouldn't fit in either Interceptors or Stormtrooper armor and 2. they wouldn't join other military factions, rather they would stick to their own controlled systems or otherwise would simply be found acting as crime lords - for the most part at any rate.
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 28, 2011 5:09:47 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
Just something I'd like to throw out here, and I'm afraid this mostly applies to the Army:

1) There are physical limitations for stormtroopers. This applies not only to species, but to individuals. If your character is four-foot-nothing, chances are they'd never be able to join the Corps in the first place. There are actually height and weight limitations in the real world as well, say if you're trying to join the Army or the Marines.

2) There's no such thing as a pacifist stormtrooper. Stormtroopers are the elite of the elite, the best of the best, drawn mainly from the branches of the army. On some level your character has to want to be there, or be good at his or her job, otherwise he or she wouldn't be in the Corps in the first place.

Just a couple things to consider.
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May 28, 2011 5:16:48 PM    View the profile of Treble 
Jegora: I was actually wondering about height and weight limitations when I made my character. I didn't know where to look if it was listed somewhere. If it isn't listed, I think this would be very helpful for people like me who are new. If it is listed, I would love to have that link for future reference.
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May 28, 2011 5:21:51 PM    View the profile of Valthir 
I think it is more of an unwritten rule, so :/
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May 31, 2011 11:06:47 AM    View the profile of Drac 
We've got a terrible habit about that, don't we. lol. All these unwritten rules new people should know and follow. That might be worth a thread (or two, one for each division) on it's own to isolate those and get them written somewhere in the Academies.

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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
May 31, 2011 2:04:24 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
I agree; while these "unwritten rules" may seem intuitive, the whole idea we're working with in this thread is providing new recruits with more information when they join.  So, let's write out as many of these things as we can, yeah?
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
June 2, 2011 8:25:01 AM    View the profile of StOrMz 
Just took a quick look at the wiki page for the new recruits. Its looking very good and I have to agree with the list of the banned, aside from one species, I believe the rest have never been allowed to start with and therefore it isn't hindering anything.

As for questions pertaining to the Naval Academy, you can catch me on IRC almost anytime. PM is also an easy way to get in touch, as I try to respond with 12 hours. I'd be happy to aid in the Army's Academy courses and/or reference material.

Also, I agree on the unwritten rules problem, and I think this project will solve that issue. I know the vast majority of the VENA pages have been reworked to fix the spelling, grammar, and canon hiccups from NTO's before me (this due in large part to Tryk, Slasher, Drac, and myself), so we don't have quite the problems as frequent as we used to. As a matter of fact, I can't even think of one :P

Give me a bit and I'll have some though.
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
June 4, 2011 6:40:42 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Whenever we have a workable VE Overview page set up, I've just laid the ground work on the Naval Academy board to integrate it (via link) into the introductory information, at least on the Navy side.
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  RE: New Recruit Character Induction Discussion
June 6, 2011 6:58:30 PM    View the profile of Drac 
With Tryk's assistance, I've begun work on the Navy's Timeline/History. The basic framework of the page is set up and on the timeline I've done the first ten stories we began in 2011. I'll get the rest of this year (thus far) this week, then move back to 2010. Once the timeline's finished we'll begin work on the narrative that'll cover the main storyline of the Navy's history.

Props to Tryk for creating the Mission Type symbols.

If the Army hasn't begun work on a timeline/history project yet, feel free to use the format we're going with. The more uniformity between the two, the better.

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