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  Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 7, 2011 1:21:55 AM    View the profile of DarkMiner 
This post is a discussion about Cybernetics, Augmentation, and Inter-network communications in Star wars and its Expanded universe
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 7, 2011 1:25:30 AM    View the profile of DarkMiner 
Previous entries on the subject:

Razor ever noticed that with the exception of grievous, there are never any cyborg aliens?

DarkMiner absolutely, whats up with that? and why do you have to be either injured or crazy to have augmentation?

Razor Who was crazy with an augmentation? I'd assume the injury reason was because of the expenses?

DarkMiner well generally, you're a sith lord who got chopped up by your former master, nearly killed in a shuttlcraft accident and pledged to serve said sith lord's master, or injured in combat with your father... nobody just gets implants for fun without going nuts! unless you're forced into it as community service...
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 7, 2011 8:01:34 AM    View the profile of Maroy 
From what I understand, cybernetics were incredibly expensive and usually functioned less effectively than their organic counterparts. Cliegg Lars had a powerchair instead of cybernetic legs. Anakin's robotic hand was somewhat less functional than Luke's, which doesn't make much sense since he's one of the Republic's greatest warriors.

On the other hand (no pun intended), Grievous, Lobot, Luke, and Vader all seem to have no trouble with their cybernetics, so most of it may just be some technological advance that came during or after the Clone Wars. I'd imagine that most people would be very uncomfortable with cybernetics/augmentation in general, and would much rather stick with their natural organic components if given the choice. Driver, on the other hand, seems to have no problem with it
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 7, 2011 8:53:24 AM    View the profile of DarkMiner 
Not sure who to talk to, but I have an interesting proposal for the High Command involving vessels, manufacturing, and infrastructure being manned at minimal levels through implantation...
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 7, 2011 11:03:52 AM    View the profile of Razor 
I am thinking you're going to want to slave someone into a ship to have them run it?

I wonder if a cybernetic tail would work well.
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 7, 2011 12:24:47 AM    View the profile of DarkMiner 
sort of... what if you cloned your pilots and officers, implanted the clones with cybernetic interface devices, and used them to remote operate fighters, scout vessels and light frigates from the safety of an ISD or command craft? your pilots could literally jump in a simulator, connect to a droid brain light years away and fight the battle in about 20 minutes or so with no danger to our forces. if we did happen to lose a fighter, its only a droid ship, and the pilot can just connect to the nearest available fighter and continue the battle.
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 7, 2011 12:46:23 AM    View the profile of Drac 
It's an interesting idea, DarkMiner. However, I don't see it meshing well with our current setup in the Navy. Hopping into a simulator every time to fight a battle without being there personally would lend itself to a lack of variety, which is bad for activity. It would also make some other things, such as ship boardings or the occasional on-foot action much more difficult to design.

If we were really in the SW universe, it'd work great. For a roleplaying forum, however, it won't work as well.

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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 7, 2011 12:56:06 AM    View the profile of DarkMiner 
i understand, this has just been floating around in my head for a year or two...
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 7, 2011 1:47:29 PM    View the profile of Maroy 
It might not work for us to use it, but we could have a hostile force that uses something like that. It'd be an interesting premise for a squadron story, in my opinion.
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 9, 2011 5:05:07 PM    View the profile of DarkMiner 
what about a more Avatar-like system? maybe you could remote-link to a droid host and use them as proxies... like the user is in a bacta tank, while connected to a battle droid via hyperspace comm system, where you perform your normal duties as usual but without all that messy dying...
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 9, 2011 11:19:20 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Another reason not to rely on remote control set-ups is the fact that such commands can be blocked, or even overridden, by hostile forces.  On the other hand, that same flaw gives the idea enormous story potential, especially if our favorite VE heroes are the ones doing the jamming and/or commandeering...   Everybody likes a good taking-over-the-enemy-superweapon sequence.
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 10, 2011 12:37:49 AM    View the profile of Razor 
I like the idea about the opposition trying it and us showing them the imperial boot working better.
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 10, 2011 7:48:17 PM    View the profile of Fury 
As far as piloting ships, this might be a complicated venture. I mean, shadow droid testing proved you could control ships using Force sensitive minds ripped out of their skulls.

You could also use Ssi-ruuvi entechment systems which do a similar thing. That still requires a meat component on the vessel itself.

Obviously, there are also pilot droids and droid ships themselves. The Army used TIE Droid starfighters when the Navy isn't available for assistance.

I'm hoping to introduce a concept called an inskin to my character and elaborate on that later. Got some books to re-read first though.

As to cybernetics at large, I still am looking for notes on doing some of that ourselves. In the GFFA, Luke had issues with his hand on occasion and Vader had constant left knee issues early on.

Lobot didn't have much of a personality and I think Aurra Sing was constantly picking up oddball radio stations.

In the VE, I know Cosmic famously had a lot of mods done, as have many of our members. That said, given the articles I have read this week or growing or 3D printing replacement organs and skins, we might not even need to consider such things. Real life is showing itself to give us a new way.

Basically, there is a limit to what you can do or replace with cybernetics. Not to mention how much you can replace and still think of yourself as human. You can enhance your eyes and ears to do stuff normal meat can't, but you're gonna have a hard time picking up folks in a cantina. Stronger and more options does not necessarily mean better.
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 10, 2011 10:30:26 PM    View the profile of Drac 
Interesting that there've been no comments about all of us ending up hooked up like batteries while thinking we still rule the world...


Or, at least, not up till this point.

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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 10, 2011 10:38:43 PM    View the profile of Razor 
What about installing droid brains to enhance abilities?

grievous had multiple droid brains slaved together to analyze and utilize jedi sword techniques.
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 11, 2011 9:39:09 PM    View the profile of Fury 
Grevious had a brain in a bag, all his pain receptors, and an organ sack.

Not really the way I'd choose to "live".
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 12, 2011 2:01:44 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
I'm with Fury on this one.  No prejudice, bigotry, or discrimination against cyborgs, certainly, but I wouldn't choose to augment my own body unless it were a medical imperative.  Call me old-fashioned, if you must. 
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 12, 2011 11:07:45 AM    View the profile of Razor 
If the cyborg parts were superior, I might go for it.
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March 31, 2011 6:08:44 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
Sorry to bump up a dead thread, but on the off chance that DarkMiner has subscribed to this thread and will be notified by e-mail of a new post, I'm posting here.  Am I a neurotic overachiever or simply trying to encourage activity?  Probably both.

DarkMiner, if you see this, check back in please and let me or another Trainer know if you've bested your computer virus yet.

And, just to preserve the appearance of staying on-topic: the Wookiepedia article on cyborgs (found here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cyborg) has some interesting insights about the stigma against (and possible side effects of) "augmentation"...
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  RE: Cyborg and Augment discussion
March 31, 2011 3:38:47 PM    View the profile of Atrasin 
if anyone would like to engage in furthering that stigma or creating new ones we will have a meeting of the VE Cyborg Haters Society in the #7 airlock aboard the Iron Duke at 1800 hrs. dress is 'vacuum casual'
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March 31, 2011 4:30:25 PM    View the profile of Corvin 
Sounds good. Does this mean we'll have to reschedule the Xeno-Hate Brigade meeting?
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March 31, 2011 9:45:16 PM    View the profile of Maroy 
Wait, Xeno-what Brigade?


Wookieepedia wrote:Cyborg also referred to creatures that were half-organic and half-droid. They were generally regarded as "soulless abominations".

Such cyborgs were not considered citizens under Imperial law, which required surgery to be sponsored by a corporation or government. The cyborg was then indentured to their sponsor. However, this did not seem to affect the cyborg Darth Vader's standing in the Empire.

Nope, still don't see where the whole cyborg hate thing is coming from.
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April 14, 2011 2:27:49 PM    View the profile of THX1138 
What about a basilisk? They have independent droid brains. I used to be in the Navy and I was a droid. In the end, I had the droid transfer himself into the basilisk and now I have it. Would That count?
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