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LoneWolf
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
April 29, 2002 5:43:44 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
i dont know if its been getting to me that much or something but I've been feeling like we've lost alot of members recently. and know it seems like I've been tryign to find more complaints against the VE as well. I've already had several thoughts of leaving. perhaps its the slow movement in ranks, or the slow actions it takes for new story ideas to happen. We're supposed to have fun here correct? then how come some of us can't create new story ideas without the permission of the HC. perhaps the reason why newbs leave is because we dont clearly identify who we are, club we are but what kind? and maybe we dont pay them enough to enjoy the stories. these are random questions and concerns but i would like to know how other ppl feel about this. feel free to post on or add onto anything amongst this. and im sorry if it seems soemwhat offensive.
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
April 29, 2002 6:27:32 PM    View the profile of Anakin 
I think people are becoming to reliant on the HC.  Technically we aren't supposed to do much.  Thats why we have divisions.  Our job is to provide you a place to congregate (that being our website), neat features to play with (battle board, comnet, bank, etc), sometimes a storyline, and various other small things.  thats basically it.  It is generally up to divisions to come up with their own ideas on how to keep members active.  its not always the commanders that need to do things.  Regular troops can create ideas for storylines, competitions etc...  It is my believe that all activity comes from the Squad leader level...This is why its SOOOO important to have active squad leaders.  The activity for the squad and for divisions is based on how active the squad leader is.  If you have noticed that your SL is not active contact your commanding officer above him and let him know.  As far as "then how come some of us can't create new story ideas without the permission of the HC" the only story that needs approval from us is the official chapter stories.  which is created by the Operations Officer.  Any other storyline can be created by whoever wants to create one...
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
April 29, 2002 6:45:44 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
HC?  Divisions?  Who are they and why should I listen to them?  No, seriously, I've always believed that you need to be able to have fun at the squad level without relying on any higher ups(as some of you higher ups may have noticed and complained about).  Anyways, that's just my opinion on this.
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
April 29, 2002 9:34:41 PM    View the profile of Swomz 
I cant believe ppl would leave the VE, it has been such a GREAT thing for over 7 years, and I dont know why the originals left either
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
April 30, 2002 11:27:40 AM    View the profile of Talon 
Some leave because of lack of time. Others get into arguments and go their own way. Some of the newer guys get mad because they can't be an officer or in the HC after their first week. Promotions are "slow" for a reason. If they weren't, we'd have a ton of people just under officer ranks. Also, they go by quite fast enough even when you say they're slow.
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
April 30, 2002 12:06:29 AM    View the profile of Bear 
If you ask me (and you didn't, but I'm the kind of person who does this), people leave the VE because there is something missing - a lack of comradeship. People respect the people who actually put some time into the VE (everyone knows people like Three and Fury, because they're always in the chat room making witty remarks), but seem to ignore the newbies. Some people come into the chat room, crack a few jokes (along with the rest of us) and then are told to "go and do something constructive". Their first problem is usually: they don't know what to do. So they ask someone. Which brings us on to their next problem: they ask someone like me. I, being the most unqualified person to answer that question, refer them to someone who can answer it. But they are usually too busy, so they don't get a good answer, so they go back to cracking jokes on IRC, and so on.. I won't name names, but I've seen one or two people who have done this lately. Half the newbies moan about not being promoted, and the other half have all this enthusiasm but nothing to do with it. Which is, obviously, the job of the Squad leader to take care of, which brings us to Anakins point.. So, in conclusion.. get in touch with your squad leader, and if he/she isn't active.. find one that is
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
April 30, 2002 2:07:46 PM    View the profile of Red5 
I'm almost afraid to talk. When I finish, people will be mean to me. But it doesn't matter, I suppose. Is there really anybody who's going to come and get me? People continually leave the VE because it is not what they expected. When I joined the site, a nice story was going on, and I jumped right in. Although I had been expecting and RPG, this easily filled in; then again, writing is a hobby for me. It is not for some others. Another reason is the lack of activity. People rarely get on IRC, even on Sundays when we hold the meetings. We have 90 members, supposedly, but the most I've ever seen on is 20 or 30. That is not a lot of people. And I know that not everyone posts. Some more stuff--No one actually plays the games. We always talk about it, always promise to play people later. The battleboard was a good idea, but it failed after several weeks. No one wants to play a game at the same time you do, so how are we supposed to play? The only way to get games going is to actually have our commanders organize a game in which everyone ( in our squadron, battallion, etc) will be able to participate. And thats why people don't stay.
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
April 30, 2002 3:47:39 PM    View the profile of Talon 
I have noticed an updraft in the game playing lately. And as for the lack of activity in IRC, I agree.. With how many people we have in the VE, it's kinda depressing to see what %age of them post on ComNet and come in #VE. Some people have asked me what they can do to help and I told them to study two HTML tutorials that I gave them and come to me or a few other people if they had questions. I never heard back about it. Knowing HTML and learning how to make decent designs isn't hard if you try, but it can really be a good way to show how active you are and can be.
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
April 30, 2002 4:58:47 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
i believe i worded one of my questions wrong earlier. you see when chpt 7 was posted up alot of the VE if not the whole participated in it because it had a sense of "offical" meaning. now perhaps this is partially the commanding officers fault too but when squads hold private stories they either dont want to hold a too exciting of a plot OR ppl ignore it because, for example in saying: "oh its not important, not like i can get a promotion outta posting on that." kinda thing. that and it takes so long for the next chapter to come up and we dont even control the plot until it is launched. now for the slow movement in ranks. perhaps its not the rank that matters but the MONEY. im sure im not the one to point it out but look at it this way. we get paid once a month. if your a crewman in the navy the only real usful thing you can buy for stories is a fighter or a ship. obviously their not gonna buy a tie so well price one at 130k the crewmen gets paid barely 30k on his own. it would take him near half a year to buy that ship. with no help or promos or betting. now buying one ship isnt that exciting now so why not buy two or even a freightor which could crawl very well near half a million in credits. that takes a while to earn. and the last thing ill point out is with things going through the HC, is some of us have ideas which concern both divisions. they take it to their divison command and they take it to you instead of going straight across, then you take a while when a simple yes or no will do. i dont mean to cut off anyone's legs here but some of us dont know how to or have a clue to make our own webpages so we couldn't start an astral gaurd and others want to share thier stories with the rest of the VE if in that cases ppl would tear it up to peices saying it wasnt aproved. i know i sounded like i rambled on there but that should put more of my imput in clearly i hope.
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
May 1, 2002 2:48:03 PM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
I myself don't get on IRC too much anymore because I don't have the time to check out my e-mails and the ComNet and still get on and chat. It sort of bothers me, but it shouldn't last too much longer. Now, as far as a "lack of activity". The lack of activity is only coming from each and every person, Lonewolf. Last time I checked, nearly every squad had a story up and running and even the Navy's Wing One has a collective story. What more can you ask for writing-wise? And yet, so many people aren't posting anything, not even something short and simple. Moving on to games - I really hadn't realized how bad that had gotten. I'm almost apalled at the small number of people who have played such a small number of games for the Ultimate Combat Pilot Competition. I've played more games for it than any otehr pilot in the Navy besides sk8, WM, and Swomz, and I'm not even eligible to win the award. I will agree that activity could be a lot better and that some of our "older" members could be a lot more welcoming to the new guys. Frankly, I don't  know what to do to keep people around. They just have to realize that the VE is mostly what you make of it and a lot of fun poured in over that - IF you let it be fun. One last note - salary. I don't believe the lower salaries are too low; I feel the higher ones are too high. 17500 for a 2nd Lieutenant and 500000 for a Sector Admiral? There is a slight overkill on the payscale once you progress past a certain point. Of course, the money is really infinite, so a payscale raise might not be out of the question, but that's not really my place at all. Just hang in there, LW. And if you want to hellp any, play some games for the UCPC and post a bunch on the stories. That goes for everyone. Thanks!
 
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  RE: Why do people continually leave the VE?
May 2, 2002 9:41:37 AM    View the profile of Spartacus 
I have never been truly concerned with the reasons the numerous recruits who join the Vast Empire decide to quit after a few weeks/months of service (albeit, I take a peculiar interest in a few of them). When one numerically estimates how many of these individuals have joined/quit our club, the number could easily be in the thousands if not rapidly approaching on a million. I rarely ask myself, "Why do the recruits leave and how can I make more of them stay?" I am not callously indifferent about it, just... pre-occupied with other matters. Perhaps I do not see the need of the Vast Empire retaining every recruit and becoming a sprawling 1,000 member club. It would be nice if the VE was larger -- yes -- but sometimes our most idealistic goals have hidden pitfalls/side-effects we are unable to see. I am wary of trading the relative happiness of our currently undersized collective [The Shire] for a larger, possibly tumultous one [Mordor]. Then again, perhaps my sentiments that overshadow this aforesaid question are more focused on the active, dedicated members who decide to leave our ranks. It is a lot more painful to see a loyal person you have known for years leave the club either willingly (Raptor, VaderX, Spectre, etc) or unwillingly (Atrus, Reiner, etc). If you were forced to pick between the two -- who are more worthy of our "salvaging efforts": the learned, active members or the new recruits? Simply put, I find myself more often wondering how to make the dedicated members stay... how to solve their unique problems... instead of the countlessly egressing recruits. Usually, the reasons for both groups -- dedicated members and raw recruits -- are not the same... if entirely different.   ----------------------- "Out of the night that covers me, Black as the Pit from pole to pole,   I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud.   Under the bludgeonings of chance, My head is bloody, but unbowed. It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul." --- William Ernest Henley (1849 – 1903)
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