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Ron
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  My Really Big Rant
November 16, 2009 8:34:47 PM    View the profile of Ron 
Quote:Army: 41
Navy: 21
VEHC: 5

Total: 67

Sixty-seven members.  Sixty-seven members.  Am I the only one who feels regret or uneasiness when I see those numbers?  Am I the only one who can't stand having only one platoon, can't stand having only two flights, can't stand fighting every day to keep every recruit that comes our way just so that we can keep our squads and squadrons open?  If so then I'll hand in my resignation now and leave. 

The idea that The Vast Empire can survive on such a piddly amount of members is ludacris, selfish, and unfair.  It's unfair to yourselves, it's unfair to your leaders, it's unfair to your squad mates, and most of all it's unfair to Kadann! 
Quote:ColdFusion MX Server License: $750
VE Web Server: $259/mo
Domain Names (16): $192/yr
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Total Yearly Cost: $3,300
Grand Total Est. Cost:  $39,401

That's how much he pays for you all.  That's how much he pays of his own money!  Kadann works his ass to the ground just so that people like you and me can have fun, socialize, roleplay, and write on a top of the line forum and website that isn't bombarded with ads.  And now- we the many who literally pay nothing for this place, have abandoned one of the most important practices required for any active club member: RECRUITING!  Yes I said it, and I'll say it again.  Who among you can claim that they have recruited an active contributing member in the past few months?  Past year?  Past two years?  It's only been about a year and a half for me but I can remember in the winter of '08 that activity was buzzing high.  What happened to that activity?  Have we all gotten tired of it?  Have we all gotten lazy and said to ourselves "Someone else will recruit" or "Google search does all the recruiting we need"?  Well if that's the case then you have done a great injustice to everyone who works to keep this place alive.  Yeah, it's true: we get most of our recruits from Google.  I came from Google.  But I'm not relying on Google to get more recruits.  I am actively working to get new people- I'm sending newsletters to old members, I made a Cybernations Alliance, I've emailed every member in two Star Wars clubs offering them a chance to come here.  I'm trying guys.  But it's not enough.  It simply isn't enough to have one, or two, or three, or even four guys recruiting.  If we resort to that, the Vast Empire will have one more year, maybe two if we're lucky.  That's bullshit guys.  I'm sorry for the language, but honestly we can do much, much better than that!

I'm not trying to point fingers.  I'm not trying to say that no one is recruiting besides me, I'm not trying to make myself look good or make anyone else look bad.  But I am appealing to everyone with internet access and some free time to please help recruit.  It is imperitive that we recruit, it is not an option, it is a nescessity.

If I am alone in this; if no one will help to recruit friends or strangers alike, then I suggest we notify Kadann before he spends any more of his hard earned money.  39,401 US Dollars is a lot of money people.  In my opinion, it's enough to make me want to keep this place alive.  I hope that all of you are of the same opinion too.

Recruit for Kadann.  Recruit for Talon.  Recruit for Fury.  Recruit for Denethor.  Recruit for Rizzit.  Recruit for Cosmic.  Recruit for Angel, Doc, Jeg, Sam, Arnaut, Aeos, and Tanus.  Recruit for Storm Platoon.  Recruit for Blackjack.  Recruit for Raiders.  Recruit for Iron Horse.  Recruit for Wraith.  Recruit for everyone who left, and for everyone who may return.  I don't give a rat's ass what you recruit for, as long as you recruit for something.  Find whatever it is that makes you stay here on the Vast Empire and use it to recruit.  If you don't recruit; if every member does not make some concious action to get more members, then no one will.

That's all I have to say on the matter.  It's up to you.

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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 17, 2009 8:04:25 AM    View the profile of Corvin 
Also, try online forums and places where writers might be found. Places like TV tropes are always good, and try to get friends interested too.
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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 17, 2009 10:17:36 AM    View the profile of Riqimo 
Do realize there are guidelines to follow when recruiting, you can't just barge into another club and make a post about how awesome the VE is... Look at it from their view, do we want people barging in on the VE and taking our awesome writers?

Plus, I don't believe the server is used entirely for the VE, Kad has his own stuff he works with I think, we just have part of the server.  But hey, yes Kad does keep this going with his own pocket most of the time, and we do appreciate it.

And if you want to know where most of our recruits come from, I can show you some statistics on the army's side:

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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 17, 2009 10:22:04 AM    View the profile of Ron 
Ahh, thank you for the chart Doc.  I was hoping someone would bring something like that to our attention.

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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 17, 2009 11:00:48 AM    View the profile of Drac 
Forty three right there...what's the time frame for that, Doc?

I've got a college classmate who should, hopefully, be joining this week. With any luck I might be able to grab a few more as well. All of us in college or high school have a huge pool of potential recruits to work with directly- take advantage of it! We're all SW geeks here, and I'm sure we know who the other geeks around us are. If you know that person X likes SW (or even ST), strike up a conversation about it. Invite them to join. The worst they can do is say no.

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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 17, 2009 11:11:01 AM    View the profile of Riqimo 
Drac wrote:Forty three right there...what's the time frame for that, Doc?

I've got a college classmate who should, hopefully, be joining this week. With any luck I might be able to grab a few more as well. All of us in college or high school have a huge pool of potential recruits to work with directly- take advantage of it! We're all SW geeks here, and I'm sure we know who the other geeks around us are. If you know that person X likes SW (or even ST), strike up a conversation about it. Invite them to join. The worst they can do is say no.

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Since I became CoT, it doesn't include EVERY recruit that joined the corps since then, just ones that reported plus few others.  I might fill the idle folks that never did things in later, but lazy right now
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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 17, 2009 11:58:49 AM    View the profile of Rizzit 
Ron wrote:Recruit for Rizzit.

I agree! Recruit for me....it makes me look good Seriously though, Ron does have a point...we need to get the VE's name out there and draw people in. Like Ron says, we cannot just assume that we will be able to survive on so few members. Just make sure you follow the proper guidelines. We do not want you offending another site/group/club/forum in the VE's name. This will not only ensure you no longer remain there but it will give us a bad name.

Maybe this will help. A little motivation. When you recruit, you earn a percentage of their pay every time we get paid. I believe currently that is 7%. That alone should be reason to recruit. Furthermore, to those of you in the Army: 50,000 ICs will be awarded to every member that recruits someone that stays for 60 days (idling does not count...they must be active. Furthermore, if they stay long enough to make Corporal: you will get 500,000 ICs.

A little high yes? Well, our members are a little low In such times, a little motivation is needed. Who knows? Recruit enough members (that stay) and there might be more than Imperial Credits in it for you

Recruit! Recruit often! Prosper!
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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 17, 2009 12:32:24 AM    View the profile of Kanderin Draken 
Let me add to this rant then. Yes, our recruiting numbers are low, you wont see me denying that. But those that do come in, how many actually stay?

One thing, no matter how tiny, has irritated me and definitely involved us losing several of our new recruits. How they're treated on IRC.

I'm not naming names here, but a few of you have targeted the guys simply because they are new, so much so myself, Abalar and Doc have had to grab them, drag them into the Academy channel and ask them to ignore the abuse they are having thrown at them in the main. Yes, I've done that before. I know of two recruits in the past month or so that have left directly because of this.

It's all well and good starting a massive recruiting drive, but when they get their heads bitten off before they even get a chance to learn, it's all been in vain.
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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 17, 2009 12:34:36 AM    View the profile of Luckystar 
On that note I'd like to remind/notify those of you that have GamerDNA accounts (formerly known as GuildCafe),that there is a Guild/group on there for the VE, it was added as a "game" as well for the Web.

If anyone's interested and has or will request to join the group, please ComNet PM me as I haven't gotten  any new member requests since I've become and admin in '07 so don't know if I'll get emailed a notification or not.
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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 17, 2009 3:44:50 PM    View the profile of Rogueboy 
Well Kand to counter your argument sometimes the recruits are acting really innappropriate on mIRC. I don't believe on giving people particular leeway because they are new especially on things that are common sense. Maybe a warning for swearing as long as its not directed at a member, or the use of colours, but some things people expect to be excused of just because they are new and people will take advantage of that.
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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 18, 2009 5:45:41 AM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
Rogueboy, just because they're idiots doesn't give you any right to pick on them :P

The 'ignore' thing works both ways. New recruit getting on your tits? Ignore them! Tell Doc, or someone sensible to look after them and all ye troubles shall dissapear.

I myself had to step in and look after an army recruit recently because he was being picked on. You know its bad when the Navy has to step in and help :P

Of course one thing that doesnt help are inactive members who hang around and just cause problems for the hell of it. I could name a couple right now but that would break your precious "public/private" rule and gods forbid anyone doing that :P

Oh and Ron: Thanks for mentioning all of one navy person in that rant of yours nice to see you care.
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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 18, 2009 9:56:04 AM    View the profile of Riqimo 
Ibram Tyrol wrote:Oh and Ron: Thanks for mentioning all of one navy person in that rant of yours nice to see you care.

Two actually
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  RE: My Really Big Rant
November 18, 2009 10:49:05 AM    View the profile of Kanderin Draken 
If they're acting inappropriately it is the job of either one of the Academy Staff or a moderator to warn them, not a renegade who thinks insults is the best way to go.

My concern is with the unprovoked incidents, a recruit simply asking for help with something that might seem silly to you does not open the floodgates to allow you to attack him. This is witnessed far too regularly.
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