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  Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 9:41:33 PM    View the profile of Waulkure 
Many of the characters of Star Wars knows a understanding of a dozen or so languages.

Luke spoke Basic, Jawa, Binary, Bocce, Yuzz, Shyriiwook, as well as numerous others.

Han Solo had basic, Huttese, Shyriiwook, Rodese, Sullustian, Bocce, as well as a dozen more.

In short, my character is a polygot. A person with a gift for learning and picking up languages quickly. How many languages would be an acceptable cap, a dozen seems normal for a active spacer.

So I am looking for opinion for the club on this.
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 9:52:19 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
The trick is that while you may understand all these languages, your character probably won't be able to speak them. Much of that can be attributed to the simple fact that the human vocal chords simply aren't capable of producing many of the sounds in the supposed alien languages.

Also note that while Luke and Han could understand all those languages, about the only language you ever hear them speak is Galactic Basic.

As to your question, I'm not sure what an acceptable cap would be. A lot of that is up to you, and how believable you make it. If your character has just 'picked up' these languages, he or she might have a basic understanding but probably isn't going to be able to speak them fluently. On the other hand, if your character has had professional training in linguistics, then it's quite possible that he/she may both understand and/or speak a variety of languages with some degree of fluency.
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 10:00:22 PM    View the profile of Waulkure 
I understand the point of knowing but cant speak. I understand Maori near fluently by sound but if I see it wrote or try to speak it I butcher it.

The character is trained in linguistics. And fluency is not expected while working ability can be.

I am thinking for a trained linguist and polygot... 14? and the character reads and studies constantly.
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 10:04:57 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
I dunno. I guess it's possible, but that's an awful lot of knowledge to keep straight. I'm sure there are people who could do it in real life, but a lot of those languages are quite similar in structure and etymology. To learn what amounts to a working knowledge in fourteen different, alien languages...

I dunno. I'd say no-go, but I'm not an expert by any means.
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 10:14:04 PM    View the profile of Waulkure 
I speak English, a large amount of french, german, dutch, and japanese. I understand but cant speak Maori. I have a small working knowledge of esperanto, spanish, and italian. I know a few words of burmese, nahuatl, and a questionable working knowledge of several middle east languages do to similiarity.

Also I know about 10 words of Zentradi.
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 10:24:04 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
So in reality you know about half of what you want your character to know, and several of the languages you have a 'working knowledge' of are related.

I don't understand what you're getting at.
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 10:35:10 PM    View the profile of Waulkure 
My character as of now speaks =
- Basic (Galactic Standard)
- Bocce (Composite Spacer Language)
- Codruese (Native)
- Binary (Droid Speak): Understands not speaks
- Em'liy (Threw Archaeology interests)
- Gran (has shared elements to bocce)
- Huttese (has shared elements to bocce)
- Jawa Trade Language
- Rodese (has shared elements to bocce)
- Shyriiwook (Wookie): Understands not speaks
- Tusken Raider (Tatooine): Understands not speaks

I want to eventually learn these =
- Anomid sign language
- Charon (Threw Archaeology interests)
- Old Corellian (part of the roots of basic)
- Old Tatooini (part of the roots of basic)
- Gand
- High Galactic (Sophisticated society version of basic)
- Mando'a (Mandalorian) (Threw Archaeology interests)
- Massassi (Threw Archaeology interests)
- Sith (Threw Archaeology interests)
- Tetan (Threw Archaeology interests)
- Twi'leki (has shared elements to bocce)
- Ubese
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 10:42:32 PM    View the profile of Waulkure 
To clarify the real world languages.

Esperanto is a artificial language created as a proposed single world language. Now days it is spoken rarely but as a sign of intelectualism. It was based off English, Spanish, French, Dutch, German, Polish, Greek, Russian, Latin, and Italian.

Spanish, Italian, English, French, Dutch, and German are Romance languages. All based together alongside Latin and Romanian. Thus the basis of Esperanto.

Japanese and Burmese despite region are unsimilar. Burmese is more similiar to Thai.

Nahuatl and Maori are unsimiliar to anything and Zentradi was a fan made language based off polish.

Most middle eastern languages are based off the same Etymology base.

My next real world language I wish to learn is Indonesian, which is basicly a trade language based off dutch.
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 11:00:42 PM    View the profile of Bacredi 
... what? Wasn't this about languages in the star wars universe?
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 11:10:07 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
I have to agree with Bacredi, but for argument's sake I would like to point out that German and Dutch aren't romance languages. They're Germanic. Even English is a hybrid between several Germanic/Scandinavian languages and the romance languages.

Meanwhile, you're correct in that Italian, French, Spanish, and Romanian are all Latin in origin, and are what we commonly call the 'romance languages'.
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 11:13:26 PM    View the profile of Waulkure 
Sorry its been a long night and I got my germanics crossed with my romance. Either way we are off topic, can anyone give me any insight into my SW question.
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August 12, 2009 11:24:11 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
I still don't think your character could learn the number of languages you want him/her to, not to the level that you're implying.

On yet another note, someone with moderator powers far above and beyond my own might want to move this to the lounge.

-Edit: Now that I actually read your list, I'm thinking that Sith and Massassi may be restricted, for the obvious reasons.
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August 12, 2009 11:26:54 PM    View the profile of Angel 
For future reference, please for the love of god take this to the lounge or PMs or something.
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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 12, 2009 11:38:47 PM    View the profile of Waulkure 
I asked about eight people, no one could tell me where to ask this. I will put it in the lounge in the future.

I am not a jedi, I am aware of this. However in the league of archeology, there known dead cultures. Therefore game for archeology.

Plus I plan to justify it threw story and building, not pull these languages I will be learning out of the air.
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August 13, 2009 10:20:48 AM    View the profile of TX-47 
Speaking as a natural linguist myself, although I have made myself familiar with over 20 languages through book reading (independent of school courses) and various multicultural endeavors, I only became fluent in the four languages I had courses in. From what I know through research and speaking with instructors on the subject, 6-12 languages would be reasonable. Over a few years (real time) that could grow with your character to 12-16. After developing this one character for 9-10 years, maybe getting that 18th language learned but that's it. Any new languages learned after that is at the cost of losing fluency in one she has.

Savants are the exception. Savants can excel in an area of knowledge and/or ability far beyond what others could ever hope to accomplish. The downside is that they are functionally handicapped in almost everything else.

Remember, the galaxy needs protocol droids Earth alone has hundreds of languages (even I don't know them all). With the number of cultures spanning a galaxy being truly astronomical (even to estimate), the conceivable number of languages is a whole order of magnitude greater. Take Chinese for example: it's not just Chinese, it's mandarin (pu'tung'hua) and Cantonese (yueh), two related languages that functionally get along, clearly more distinct than just being dialects.

I hope this helps you

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  RE: Charecter Developement Question
August 13, 2009 10:40:05 AM    View the profile of Waulkure 
It does greatly, I will rethink the existing languages and review them and prioritize any that I feel will be needed.

In short this character does scholarly and research pursuits for relaxation. A major point would be to know the languages of places you would be researching. But again ty, you gave me the answer I needed.
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August 13, 2009 10:54:33 AM    View the profile of Rutian 
Also consider that languages like Twi'lek cannot be either properly spoken or understood without certain physical aspects such as Lekku.
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August 13, 2009 11:57:45 AM    View the profile of Waulkure 
Twileki is the spoken language, I cant remember the name of the twitch language using the lekku
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August 13, 2009 12:38:51 AM    View the profile of Rutian 
Quote:" The Twi'lek's native language of Twi'leki was spoken using a combination of words and subtle movements of the lekku." -Wookiepedia
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