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Bear
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 14, 2001 1:14:34 PM    View the profile of Bear 
For all the Palestinians killed by American bullets fired from American weapons in the hands of Israeli's. For all the innocent people who hate the Taleban more than we do, who may be killed in the not so far future, by NATO bombs and weapons. For those men and women who are led to believe, rightly or wrongly, by their governments, that the Americans are evil and deserve to die, who have fought and died for something pointless. For those Iraqi men, women and children who hate Hussein more than we do, and have had to die under UN sanctions, brought about during the Gulf War. For all the people in the 3rd World, who can not make a decent life for themselves or for their children, because we care more about guns, missiles and money more than their lives. And finally, for the soldiers and innocent people of the entire world, who have fought in far off places, and will undoubtedly fight in another far off place very soon, who have died and been injured, when they never really should have been there. Think of everyone who has been affected horribly by the events on Tuesday, and the things before that day. Don't just think of the 10,000 dead who died on one day. Think of the tens of thousands of people who are affected every day, because we, the rich and developed world, are too stuck up to help them. And then realise that we could stop that. Hopefully, the events on Tuesday will make the American, British, French and other governments realise that there is a big, bad, hard world out there, and we can help them. In return, realise that they can help us. We just have to make that small effort. Think of the human beings who die every day, when they shouldn't... American and Arabian. Bear
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 14, 2001 4:28:33 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Very true, affectionate, and loving Bear.  Very nice indeed.
 
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 14, 2001 4:44:54 PM    View the profile of Majere 
To hell with anyone that harbors the kind of people like Osama Bin Laden! You have a choice of ridding the world of people like him. To hell with anyone that lives in a country that harbors that kind of terrorism.  You have a choice to live a life of peace in a peaceful country. And finally... Sometimes warfare is unavoidable.  Sometimes people that get in the way will get hurt or worse yet killed.  They had a chance to get rid of a man like Osama long ago.  Now those people will pay the price for their ignorance and terrorist ways.  America don't start wars.....we finish them.  If you think I am mad....you are right.  If I could I would be on the front lines shooting every damn one of those terrorists and the people that harbor them.  Terrorism must stop, and it must stop now if there is going to be any chance at peace in this world. In the immortal words of Metallica, "Kill em all." Piss off to this moment of silence!!! Make mine a moment of...RAGE!!!!
[This message has been edited by Majere (edited September 14, 2001 4:46:26 PM)]
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 14, 2001 5:15:47 PM    View the profile of Stormtrooper 1026 
We all are just humans....and we have to think abut one pint - are WE better than those terrorists? Many Americans want a back attack - and they want to see them KILLED....we are no small part better than any terrorist...we are all humans . poor kind of being. Nice words bear.
 
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 14, 2001 5:30:08 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Majere, before you decide to nuke the nations of the middle east, you have to remember that most of the people there CAN'T leave, if they could they would. So, do they deserve to die just because they are trapped in an autocratic system that keeps control through military force? I agree with Bear, we should sympathise with these people, not kill them. We should spend our money helping them, not killing them. How would you like it if Bush took over the country, transforming it into a dictatorship, keeping people in line with military force, and someone came into the country, intent on killing everyone just because Bush was in control? Think things over before you say them  :P Argon
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 14, 2001 5:32:37 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
I agree on both Bear's and Majere's points.  However, if we consider rage and attack the only option (which it may be), and have the thoughts of "Kill".  We are just stooping to the terrorists' level.  We are BETTER than they are.
 
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 14, 2001 5:43:19 PM    View the profile of Anakin 
But Argon...many believe they don't want to leave...I don't know if you've seen the video but many of the children and ppl living over their threw a very large party in the middle of the streets...throwing candy, etc...  They are happy the US was attacked...If they had it their way we wouldn't be here right now...they honestly think we are creatures from the devil himself...  So that thought of helping them I think is completely out of the question
[This message has been edited by Anakin (edited September 14, 2001 5:44:04 PM)]
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 15, 2001 3:51:26 AM    View the profile of Raxen 
I think that someday, governments all over the world shouldnt brainwash their people. Most do. They celebrate because they did not realise the bigger truth: Evil under the cloak of Good. So my point is that, give them a chance to understand. If they dunt, then whatever nasty that happens to them, they will have to take it. Peace before Warfare.
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 15, 2001 11:04:31 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Ani, most of those people are celebrating because now the US has suffered a small part of what they have suffered.  How would you feel if you were working out a subsitance living under a dictatorship and a democracy came around.  They tell you to do things and promise lots in return, you do all they ask for in record time, and they give you a pat on the back and a "well done".  Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be at least a little bit POed?  Especially when you had given up your living to do what they asked and are now facing starvation?  I don't know about you, but I'd be screaming "DEVIL!!!" too.  What we need to do is repair our crapped out reputation in the area, people won't believe anything unless there's a reasonable amount of truth behind it.  In that region, we have been devils, we don't need to become angels, but we need to get back to common human decency, and until we do, they will show us no mercy.  Even if we did bomb them, the ones we killed would easily be replaced by those who are now believers.  If we help them, they will reject us at first, but they will eventually come around and see that what we are doing, and they will support us. "The way of peace is always better than that of war, it's just not as fast." - Argon Viper --------------- SGT MAJ Argon Viper
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 16, 2001 2:21:36 PM    View the profile of Bear 
I actually thought nobody would have the guts to post here, and it would all be deleted when someone high up saw it. Did you know that only about 10% of Americans have passports? They hardly ever leave the US, in comparison to other nationalities. You might be driving your big car, smoking your cigar, and thinking the whole world loves you because you're spreading democracy and freedom throughout the world. But it comes as quite a shock when you realise that 50% of countries hate you, and 50% of the people in the countries that like you hate you. I've lived in an Arab country. I've seen the effects of America on that world. I've seen skyscrapers.. 50 or 60 storeys high.. and its all Americans in them. The Arabs live in the slums underneath. Its really terrible. That was the United Arab Emirates, which, after Kuwait, is probably the most prosperous country in the middle east. You might want to bomb Afghanistan to the ground, but remember one thing.. the people who like you are in the good buildings, and the people who hate you are in the mud huts. Bombing mud huts full of orphaned children isn't very heroic, is it? Also bear in mind that people there can't read or write. Some can, but most can't. They farm the land, feed their familes, and survive. They're happy. They don't want a Mercedes, and private school for the kids. If thats what they wanted, they would be democratic.. but for them, the system they are in keeps them alive and happy. Just because you live in a democracy doesn't mean its the best method.
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 16, 2001 4:03:11 PM    View the profile of Majere 
I guess then I am the only true American here with enough pride to get mad at the loosers that cause this kind of terror.  Here is my point that voids every single d*** one of your points.  Have you seen first hand of any suffering in their countries? For 90% of you the answer of no.  Another 5% prolly watch some of it on television and the other 5% actually has the experience to prove me wrong. I on the other hand HAVE been overseas.  I HAVE seen terrorism.  I DID watch a US School Teacher visiting Germany get grabbed...never to see his family again for many years.  Most of you guys (who have posted) want to just sit on your asses and let stuff like this happen again.  Am I right?  I certainly hope not for that will be the day that I actually do shed a tear for the over 5000 people who lost their lives last week.  Terrorism must be stopped...at all costs.  One terrorist killed equals 10 innocent lives saved.  We will both loose lives, but the winner will be....peace. You are either with me...or against me.  There is no inbetween.
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 17, 2001 5:17:30 PM    View the profile of Daishi 
Many words have been said here but I think this is the simpliest and utter most truth to all this: I know America has caused a lot of unreast in that region during the cold war and now we are paying for it. Simply sending money and aide over to those nations will do no good because the goverment would not use it to actually help the people who truely deserve it.  Think I am wrong, just take a look at how our own "Enlightened" nation hands out tax breaks and spends it's tax dollars, not even mentioning the corruption. A war by itself is no option either.  If all we do is go over there and kick down the ant hills all we have accomplished is kicking over some ant hills.  The survivors will scream that they were right and hold up the dead as martyrs. The true answer is niether of these by themselves but both combined. And if you think I am not pissed off let me say this: Normally, I am very much so a pacifist(I know you probably don't believe that but it is true) but since this act of war has happened I am more than willing to consider going over there and showing those terrorists Fallen Angel style justice.  The only reason I don't is because the millitary would not take me.
 
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 17, 2001 7:39:09 PM    View the profile of Double Agent 
I think everyone is missing a very important point.  The United States sends money and support of other kinds to many of the countries of the world and that's why they hate us.  Because we try and help them.  Then their $$ get cut off and they hate us even more.  Because the United States is the obvious leading country of the entire world we are not only expected to do this, but obligated to try and do what's best for other countries, which can step on the toes of certain countries (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc).  THAT is why their leaders hate us.  And because their leaders hate us, their people are conditioned from birth to hate us.  Whoever planned, or participated in any way in this act of total cowardice should be punished, and punished severely, to the full extent that we can possibly go.  In fact, i don't know why they didn't take out bin Laden long ago, reguardless of whether he did this one or not.  The fact is, my friends and relatives are already being called up for service in the millitary about this, and we can't let these evil peoples' actions go unpunished, even if it costs civilian lives.  You seem to also forget that the people in the WTC were indeed civilians, and they probably did not hate terrorists any more than the civilians in their countries hate us.  The fact is, though, that we cannot let these people go and give them the message that they can do it again, because if we send them that, they will.  I guarantee it.
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  RE: Another minute of silence
September 17, 2001 11:52:04 PM    View the profile of Threeof4 
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