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  The Order
December 1, 2006 12:19:25 AM    View the profile of Sayah 
Is the Order made of Gray Jedi, Dark Jedi in the old sense of the word, or full fledged Sith?
 
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December 1, 2006 4:35:36 PM    View the profile of Tnepres 
The DJO is the Order, so yes, it is made of Dark Jedi.  Sith for the most part are extinct, and the empire utilizes Dark Jedi.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

If you read into other DJO info booth posts, there is a clear distinction in that we use Dark Jedi as we can choose our light saber colors, synthetic or organic, where as Sith use Synthetic crystals to produce the red beam.
 
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December 1, 2006 4:57:53 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
I'm going to correct you Tnepres.

1) The Dark Jedi Order is the elite division of The Vast Empire. Yes, timeline wise, all trained Force-Sensitive beings have been hunted down to extinction. There may be a few out there in the galaxy that may have survived, but that would be an extremely low number (... like 4 or something).

2) There is no "We only have Sith" or "We only have Grey Jedi" in the DJO. In fact, to my knowledge, the DJO does not have any "Grey Jedi". According to the Star Wars Wiki, a "Grey Jedi" is described as an individual that has either been exiled or has disassociated themselves from the Jedi Order. None of the Dark Jedi in the DJO were part of the Jedi Order, thus we have no Grey Jedi.

3) When people hear the term "Dark Jedi", they immediately think of the term "Sith". The DJO does have these types of individuals, but the Order also has another group of Force users that have been defined in a different manor. I can use myself as an example. I am in the Dark Jedi Order, but I am no Sith. I am a Krath - my "rank" being Krath Prophet. In terms of description, you could say that the Sith use their powers more for battle and destruction or to do what they will with them. The Krath, on the other hand, are more like scribes rather than warriors. Note that both are extremely deadly in combat, the Krath (overall) seem to be of those that have a deeper understanding of the Force because they spend much of their time studying it. Now, these are just simple and general ideas of the difference between Sith and Krath, but the DJO members that hold these titles are their own characters. In other words, a Sith in our DJO could very well be a heavy studier as well.

4) You cannot "choose" the color of your lightsaber. Much of the time the color is random. An example would be Adegan crystals. There really is no telling what the color will be until the lightsaber is assembled and activated. Such crystals (Adegan, etc.) are considered "organic" crystals because they formed naturally. Some Sith (including myself) use a different type of crystal called a Synthetic crystal. These crystals are not organic and are forged by hand. Each crystal is also infused with the being and essence of the individual that has forged it, and it is rumored that the wielder of such a lightsaber may be more efficient in battle. I can double check on this, but I'm pretty sure that's the case from what I've been told. The synthetic crystals are typically red.
 
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December 1, 2006 5:02:11 PM    View the profile of Tnepres 
Ouch...

Well, at least I was somewhat right.  I thought Sith and Dark Jedi were completely different things.  As in Sith were an actual civilization, with their own droids and people and whatnot until they were almost completely annihilated after a war with the Jedi. 
 
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December 1, 2006 9:10:05 PM    View the profile of Garet Daimun 
Sith were a race, but they went extinct.

Haven't any of you ever played KOTOR?
 
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December 1, 2006 9:50:52 PM    View the profile of Darr-Rann 
The Sith race dissapeared, and the "Sith" as we know it took this title for themselves.

At one point (In Kotor) the Sith actually formed their own empire and attempted to gain control of the galaxy through war with the republic.

At the time of the Knightfall (That name is from Battlegrounds 2 - I like it to describe the destruction of the Jedi order) the Sith were simply the lord and his apprentice, biding their time until they could complete their plan - They gained control of the republic and reformed it into an empire.


 
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December 2, 2006 12:34:21 AM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Yes, the Sith were previously an ancient civilization/race, but the term "Sith" in regards to our Order generally describes a type of characteristic-path that the character has chosen to walk down.
 
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December 2, 2006 11:10:59 PM    View the profile of D'har Leth 
And there are also the rumored "True Sith" which are mentioned in KOTOR and KOTOR II, but we know absolutley nothing about them.  I think the idea is that Revan went off to find them after KOTOR.
 
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December 3, 2006 2:26:34 PM    View the profile of jag fel 
For those who read the Star Wars books why not just read:

Darth Bane Path of Destruction. 
 
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December 5, 2006 10:19:41 PM    View the profile of Japheth 
A cannonical exmple: Darth Vader in the movies is called the Dark Lord of the Sith, however, Vader is human, not a member of the Sith race.

Ages ago, Jedi who were exiled from the Jedi Order for dabbling in the Dark Side of the Force stumbled upon the ancient Sith race. The Sith had a religion based around the Dark Side, and these exiled Jedi learned much from them. Though the Sith race eventually became extinct, the cult of Jedi that they trained took the name 'Sith' for themselves and thus we have 'The Dark Lord of the Sith' and the like.
 
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December 12, 2006 5:18:45 PM    View the profile of Sayah 
But about my question...Can we post our saber color or does someone choose it for us?
 
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January 28, 2007 10:58:14 AM    View the profile of Kanderin Draken 
Ooo goody, finally somewhere i can use my knowledge of force users

Everyones pretty much right so far, the term Sith is often misunderstood. The movies in particular seem to show that anyone can become a sith, when in the real star wars universe (if you can call it that) you cant.
Millions of years before the time of VE the sith were an entirely different race, living far apart from the Jedi. They had powers similar to the force, known as Sith Magic. It wasn't until the Dark Jedi (who had just rebelled against the real jedi, lost and fled the galaxy) found their empire, and through breeding (details escape me a little bit) the force was combined with the Sith Magic to create the Sith we know of today.

Therefore, since the Sith are a race, you cant just become a 'Sith'. You have to be a decendant of the race. Someone who wishes to associate themselves with the Sith is therefore not a sith, but a Dark Jedi.

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January 28, 2007 7:33:40 PM    View the profile of D'har Leth 
As would be the case up until about 5,000 BBY, when the Jedi went genocidal on the Sith species.  After said genocide, only Naga Sadow and his Massassi warriors remained.  They escaped to Yavin IV where Sadow turned the Massassi into Dark Side wielding brutes.  What happened to them is not known, it is thought they genetically diffused into the human gene pool.  In 4,400 BBY, Freedon Nadd fell (or ascended, if you prefer) to the Dark Side.  He was taught by a reawakened Naga Sadow.  Mr. Nadd eventually slew Mr. Sadow, effectively ending the Sith as a hereditary organization.

The Sith teachings remained, however, and were passed on to others, who again took the title of Sith.  This group spawned many offshoots and went on to what we know today.  I could go on about every minute detail of Sith history from the unification of the warring Sith under King Adas (the original Sith'ari), to Darth Krayt's userping of the Imperial throne in 130 ABY, but that would take way too much time.

Of course, there are other Darksiders that aren't Sith, but that almost goes without saying.
 
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January 29, 2007 10:35:46 AM    View the profile of Kanderin Draken 
Naga Shadow! Thats the name! I was going to go further in my post but i couldn't remember that name
 
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January 29, 2007 12:12:33 AM    View the profile of Sayah 
Does Joruus factor into the VE?
 
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January 29, 2007 6:05:44 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
There are numerous events/details that we leave out of our timeline because we want to stay as true to the original trilogy as possible, and not the expanded universe. You'd have to ask either Kadann or Talon on that one.
 
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March 13, 2007 9:49:10 PM    View the profile of Talon 
Joruus... ugh..

Well, we try to keep our distance from the "main characters" of Star Wars. We are breaking away from EU (expanded universe) around the time of Thrawn's rise, so yes.. he's around. No, no one will interact with him.
 
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March 15, 2007 7:14:25 PM    View the profile of johndon 
kinda off topic but cosmic when you said there was olny 4 jedi left..did you mean survivors from order 66? or just the olny the jedi left from what ever happened to them?
 
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March 16, 2007 12:30:12 AM    View the profile of Cosmic 
I don't recall saying that, but in response: the only "trained Jedi" since the events of the Clone Wars that we know of as "famous characters" would be Luke Skywalker. He's probably whining somewhere in the galaxy.

Other than that, there's very few trained Force users remaining in the galaxy. The EU probably has some of their own, but as Tal said above - we're trying to stray away from the EU.
 
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March 16, 2007 4:50:22 AM    View the profile of Urakai 
That just made me think, since star wars episode 7 is supposedly confirmed, if it ever is released, what will happen to the VE?
 
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March 16, 2007 5:47:15 AM    View the profile of Yillis 
confirmed by...SuperShadow?
 
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March 16, 2007 8:08:24 AM    View the profile of Urakai 
Yes, that and I don't know, some interview site where Mark Hamill was talking about it.

I don't really know if it is true, I'm just saying 'suppose' it would happen.
 
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March 16, 2007 11:00:26 AM    View the profile of Kanderin Draken 
I thought George Lucas had confirmed there would never be another star wars movie? And if there is, he better include us in it all or they'll be some major letters of complaint

How cool would that be, sat in the cinema.
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March 16, 2007 11:48:24 AM    View the profile of Jakireth 
Take the movie business to the Lounge, please.
 
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March 24, 2007 2:27:10 PM    View the profile of Sayah 
But wouldn't Joruus be able to sense the presenseof a group of powerfull force users? 
 
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March 24, 2007 3:39:19 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Yoda didn't sense the fact that Palpatine was a Sith Lord, nor any of the Jedi Council for that matter.

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March 24, 2007 3:42:39 PM    View the profile of Yillis 
who's a powerful force user? I don't see any...
 
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March 24, 2007 6:38:06 PM    View the profile of Sandwich Sam 
I think I read somewhere that to be a "sith" the dark essence of an ancient sith was to be consumed into the body, similar to possession, and would corrupt the person, enhance their dark side abilities, and essentially destroy the former person completely. It is highly possible that my mind just made this whole thing up, but I think it sounds plausible.

Just for my personal amusement, during the VE time line has there been a venture to the Vally of the Jedi and the 'artificial' force people?
 
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March 25, 2007 12:37:22 AM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Wasn't the case with Anakin Skywalker.
 
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March 26, 2007 12:02:12 AM    View the profile of Angel 
Actually it more or less was the case with Anakin.

"He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader." -Obi Wan Kenobi

I know that I used that angle with Angel (aka when he became Phoenix), but much like Vader, the former person was not completely destroyed, and eventually reclaimed his mind/soul/body while retaining the power of the Sith.

And to my knowledge, we have never gone to the Valley, nor have we dealt with "artificial" Jedi.

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