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JMac
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January 15, 2004 7:28:31 AM    View the profile of JMac 
Where is the Navy?  We have had exactly 0 action on any part of the Comnet for weeks now.  Could anyone that still cares what happens to the Navy please tell me now, so we can try to get moving again? 
 
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January 15, 2004 2:20:21 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
i think the navy is a dead deal... ive said it before that we needed to just accept it but u guys wanted to drag it on.
 
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January 16, 2004 7:39:34 AM    View the profile of chipmunk man 
I'm still here.
 
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January 16, 2004 3:28:10 PM    View the profile of Afyon 
Dare I suggest again a spec ops unit be formed...one who have commando skills and can fly...call it marines or something.  we have to accept the division as it currently stands is no longer able to attract and interest enough ppl...so acknowledge, adapt, and move on.

Thats my two cents.
 
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January 16, 2004 11:22:57 PM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
I believe Afyon has a very good point.  The lack of development of Star Wars and other space Flight simulators has also brought a lack of want for a Naval division within Star Wars and other gaming clubs.  Maybe a division a lot like the Air Cav would be more appealing, where people who wish to write about Naval escapades and be able to play games besides XWA XvT etc for their division can.  I know, for instance, a Navy may become more appealing when the Space Expansion comes out for SWG, but the Vast Empire currently doesn't employ a ton of Galaxies players, although there are quite a few.  Anyways, just trying to put some perspective on the issue...though it may not be wanted :-p
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January 19, 2004 12:06:54 AM    View the profile of Kuroishi 
My two cents are pretty much worthless.

I write fiction, that's about all I do.

From where I sit I see a few options:

1:  Close the navy and let those who want to still be a part of the VE transfer straight over to the army and make a note that they can fly too.

2:  Be patient and see if the space expansion does draw in more recruits.

3:  Call it quits and waste our free time on whatever we want.

4:  Anything else is pretty much a variation on the previous ideas.
 
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January 19, 2004 1:21:48 PM    View the profile of Arturus 
Again, Kurioshi, you discount creating some form of modified navy division, one that sorta merges the best of the army and navy into a division that can be successful.  If you dont want to waste the time on VEN then dont.
 
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January 19, 2004 2:31:23 PM    View the profile of Japheth 
Sorry I haven't been around much, I've just moved and don't have an internet connection yet (It should be installed tomorrow, god willing). We've talked a lot about the creation of such a division or unit and its been shot down every time simply because it takes away from what makes the Army the Army.

If you are truely serious about such an idea, write me a formal proposal and I'll see what I can do.
 
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January 19, 2004 6:27:06 PM    View the profile of blah909 
i like kuroshi's idea
we should make the...
STORMTROPPER MARINES!!!
the pilots get to fly fighters and gunships
 
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January 20, 2004 12:44:39 AM    View the profile of Hashi Shiyun 
Don't mean to butt my arse in (haha! pun.. butt.. arse, geddit? -.-) but I think Kuroishi's first idea holds credit. The navy is dead, the army still has life.

I say transfer the lone squadron over to the army, make it a ground support squadron flying gunships, stormtrooper marines, specops pilots slash commandos, part of the VSD Dominion's contigent of TIES, whatever.

I think that's better than just "calling it quits" and disbanding the navy.

Or, the other option always present is to try and inject some life into the navy, but I doubt that's possible at this stage.
 
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January 20, 2004 2:02:51 AM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
And the "Marine" squadron always would have the option of playing Army and/or Navy games.  My only contention to that idea is what happens if the Navy grows back and gets larger than the army again?  Do you remake the Navy or just make the Marines a larger division.  Just some ideas to ponder.
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  RE: Does Anybody Care?
January 20, 2004 6:11:18 AM    View the profile of chipmunk man 
If we were to follow the "switch to ground support craft, transfer back to full Navy when we get more recruits" is a little more complex than the hope of reactivating a squadron. I admit I have little idea what either would entail, but it would seem to me, for shear practicality reasons, that it would be far more difficult to reactivate a division than a squad.

I say that we write a few letters, as a collective group, to the main game development companies. We take it to other organizations and clubs similiar to the VE, as a sort of petition, in the hopes of proving to the corporate whores that people really will buy and play Navy games. In the meantime, we temporarily support more games, navy or even Star Wars related or not, to bring in recruits and keep this place from going under entirely. I say TEMPORARILY support, so that when new navy games are developed and numbers climb again, we can remove the non-related games and return to normal Navy duty.
 
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  RE: Does Anybody Care?
January 20, 2004 6:26:36 AM    View the profile of Hashi Shiyun 
There have been many online petitions for LEC to make new SW flight-sims, like a sequel to TIE Fighter and stuff. I've seen them get pased around major SW gaming clubs like the Emperor's Hammer.

Nothing has come out of them though. Lucasarts seem to be concentrating all their efforts into developing and creating FPS games (KOTOR, JO, JA, Republic Commando, SW Battlefront etc).

So while the gaming prospects for the Army is looking rather bright, the same can't be said for the Navy, sorry. You'll have stick with those aging platforms for now, and that won't help with attracting and recruiting people.

Damn you LEC --;
 
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January 20, 2004 10:42:13 AM    View the profile of Arturus 
I must say that if it at possible we should keep the navy as some form of seperate division from the army, one reason being that itll be easier to move back to navy should new games out and secondly, because with serious reorganisation it can still be a viable division and different from the army.
 
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January 20, 2004 3:32:09 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
the likely hood of LEC actually creating another space simulator for SW is next to none, we got to realize that.

Should we transfer everyone to the army directly, no, but we also cant have any organization we create conflict with army recruits. they do after all have a senority in the area of ground combat games.

I honestly have to ask if anyone has play any of the navy games at all recently, and repeatedly??? i havent played XWA in probably a year really. Which brings me to another point, where the heck are you going to recruit anyone for a navy built soely arount XWA and XvT games?

I'm not trying to make it seem that elite but if we seperate ourselves from being labeled a navy or whatever, we need to have a more... strict process of recruiting individuals.
I was thinking something along the lines of like the DJO requirements to join, you know being around for like 3 months and showing activity in whatever. and if we do have requirements to join it would have to be something far easier to join than the DJO but at least able to comb out some of these ghost noobs who sign up and never exist. Thats just an idea though for that much, what we need is quality, not so much as quanity.

I'm not saying our men are as active as the army fellows but  if there is going to be any chance at all of us recreating a navy were going to need strong members, and intersted recruits. In a way we would have to "leech" off the military.

anyways... it is obvious we need to do something, and it should be soon i would hope.
 
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  RE: Does Anybody Care?
January 21, 2004 1:11:32 AM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
Here is an idea...kind of coming from what people have said.

Make a Marines division.

That division will be somewhat elite, maybe a month of activity in the Army before you are eligible to join.  The Marine division will either play Rebel Commando or Star Wars Battlefields, as well as write fiction.  Then, the next time a flight sim comes out (if one does), then the Marines can easily incorporate that into their system.

For positions and ranks, you could use a system that combines the Naval Officer ranks and Admiralty ranks with the Enlisted andNon-Com ranks of the Army.

I think it would be interesting to have the Marines play one of those games because they are FPS, and it is a lot like playing on the front lines...where the Marines are classically stationed.

Now, before somebody goes writing the proposal, I think that the Navy members that are still active should agree on a structure that they like, and by Navy members I am including JMac, because even though he is on the High Command for Navy, I am pretty sure he is also one of the more experienced and smart members in Navy, and I would think it is great if Japheth wanted to contribute, but it seems like he is more into seeing what we want.  So, if everybody thinks this is a good idea, maybe we can get them to post ideas on this topic pertaining to a new division.

And I am sorry this is such a long post, I didn't originally mean to type so much.  Thanks for reading it.
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January 21, 2004 1:26:19 AM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
Okay, three more things (that I can think of at the moment).

First of all, here is a list of people on the Active Duty Roster.  I don't know if it is accurate.
Chief Warrant Officer Liquid
*^Lieutenant Commander JMac
Warrant Officer Second Class Hammerman
*^Second Lieutenant LoneWolf
*Leading Crewman Blah909
*Petty Officer Second Class Chipmunk Man
Leading Crewman Chatham
Petty Officer Second Class Shazam
Crewmen Beryl, Syst, Ne0z0wNz, and Chabe Jagar
Ensign MegaDeth
+Ensign Arturus

* = Have posted on this thread.
^ = Currently an officer.
+ = Not on the roster, but definetly a possibility (Art said he wanted to rejoin)

Second thing is, Maybe someone should email Kadann and see what he thinks of this.  He is the leader of the club and someone should get his opinion.

Third and final thing, a bunch of new recruits joined today, anybody mind if I send them the welcome letter seeing as how JMac is unable to?
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January 21, 2004 9:06:58 AM    View the profile of Talon 
Eh? Claw's not active duty anymore? I thought he was still captain of the Nemesis
 
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January 21, 2004 9:43:26 AM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
Hmm, I thought I saw him in Reserves so I did not put him down.  I may have been mistaken, my apologies.  I am pretty sure I also missed Rear Admiral Daishi.
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January 21, 2004 3:02:56 PM    View the profile of Japheth 
You also missed me...
 
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January 21, 2004 4:10:24 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
I think Navy Seals would be a more accurate comparison, although im not too sure how that would work in comparison to SW. Perhaps just Naval Commandos or something. Marines just seems too army like to me.
We would have to specialize more in things like zero G combat, infiltration, recon, search and rescue, capture, etc. and also be able to pilot in both support craft, transports, and fighters (atmospheric as well as space).
Our job would be more or less to compliment the military not out do them... i think. Thats just what i think we would have to change things to.
 
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January 21, 2004 4:22:19 PM    View the profile of Liquid 
back to the original topic....

Does anyone Care?

Simple answer: yes

Long answer: yes, but nobody seems to care enough to do much about it, other than talk, and if they do talk, they either get shot down, or when their plan is halfway through, everyone looses interest in it and nobody cares after that for a while.

The Navy Seals idea, that's a great idea....if we can get it off the ground and prove that we have enough activity for it to be a valuable venture. I'm willing to throw in my support and my *lackluster* activity.
 
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January 21, 2004 9:22:13 PM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
Sorry Japheth, I was bored but also really tired.
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January 22, 2004 5:50:12 AM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
Just in case anybody wanted more information, it seems that Star Wars Battlefront supports the ability to fight through the use of Snowspeeders and X-Wings...sounds like a prospect for a semi-Navy division, nay?
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January 22, 2004 9:08:30 AM    View the profile of Fury 
Maybe instead of SEALS, you find an appropriate SW-ish creature and acronym that one out. Maybe MYNOCKS or something?  Don't blame me, I'm tired....

The Army is toying with an ARC troopers section and how to implement it so feel free to copy from that idea once we get it up and running.

As for Navy members occasionally getting out of their craft and shooting enemy troops in the face, I like it.  Hell, the Army has the occasional pilot (mostly our ex-FA friends) to help us accomplish our missions.  I'm considering making it a regular specialty too as we need the occasional transport flight, bombing run, air cover, etc.  My only hesitation was to not draw anything away from you guys.

But hell, games are out there.  Freelancer was a fun game that eventually spawned a Star Wars mod.  Granted, it doesn't come with an LEC logo but who cares about that necessarily?

As for disbanding the Navy, I've never thought that was a good idea.  Start off with a couple flights, get good, meaningful activities and follow through on them.  There was a time when the Navy could out-activity the Army, and while I don't want to see THAT necessarily, I do want to see a counterweight to my division so people have a real choice when joining the VE.

Whatever you do, good luck to you guys.  I'm sure any Army member would be happy to pitch in to assist.
 
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  RE: Does Anybody Care?
January 22, 2004 12:09:09 AM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
Some ideas for Elite Navy guys:

ISC, Imperial Storm Commandos - Originally from the Army, but I couldnt find anything else, you might like this.

HAWK, High Altitude Warriors of Kadann - Came up with it.

I couldn't think of anything else cause I am so tired, and I have spent about 20 minutes trying to just type this post.
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January 22, 2004 1:01:31 PM    View the profile of Talon 
Why not just have a flight of Master At Arms? Even the US Navy has some badasses with guns.
 
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January 22, 2004 10:14:02 PM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
Yeah, but that doesn't sound as cool.
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January 22, 2004 10:39:03 PM    View the profile of Japheth 
drawing from our allies: the Navy in the FES has managed to stay afloat without LEC flightsims by embracing Galaxies as it's game of choice.

We need a set of new, supported games. Galaxies might be a good starting point. I've also always been a fan of Natural Selection, though thats never really received widespread support from the VE as a whole.
 
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January 22, 2004 10:55:35 PM    View the profile of Kieran Hels 
Galaxies would be nice, but what about Freelancer?  Is there much of a community there?  I looked at some old posts and it seems like it was quite a hit for a while, and then sort of died out.
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