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JMac
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  RE: We Got Him
December 15, 2003 11:32:24 AM    View the profile of JMac 
That really says it all, doesn't it?  And to all those who said that this operation was screwed from the start and that we couldn't do it...
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 15, 2003 11:38:00 AM    View the profile of Rema 
Got who??

Milk?

I didnt think milk had a sexual peference, but i supose. I mean you would figure milk at a female since it comes from cows which are female. Very odd. I wonder who made that up??

/me shrugs
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 15, 2003 12:16:18 AM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Someone's not up with the times...
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 15, 2003 1:14:44 PM    View the profile of Mars 
I think we should bring him back to the US and hang him in front of the Capitol building, but I know that we will probably let the Iraqis pick his punishment...
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 15, 2003 2:12:06 PM    View the profile of Rema 
Technically we cant kill him. That would make him a martyr, and make people that kinda like him like him, and people that hated the US hate us even more. It would be sorta like Jesus Christ, they killed him, he became a martyr, and now millions of people worship him and would die for him. Look at the Crusades, tens of thosands of people went to reclaim the city he died in. So if we killed Saddam, that would be bad. He will just rot away in some prison at the North Pole for the rest of his life. (North Pole because no one can get him )
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 15, 2003 6:50:28 PM    View the profile of Afyon 
It would also be government/state/international sanctionned murder in the name of justice which is wrong and immoral
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 15, 2003 7:13:59 PM    View the profile of Fury 
JMac, while I love the fact that we managed to capture that jerkwad, that unfortunately does NOT complete the mission we sent our guys over for.

I'll grab a box of popcorn and watch the translated trial tape delayed on C-SPAN with the rest of you, but my brother and thousands more troops still have to go over and attempt to stabilize and help hand over a democratic government to a bunch of people who for the most part resent us for one reason or another.

You can put away the "Mission Accomplished" banner again before another silly incident is created.  It ain't over yet.
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  RE: We Got Him
December 15, 2003 8:49:14 PM    View the profile of Afyon 
too true Fury
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 16, 2003 5:14:50 AM    View the profile of JMac 
I'm not saying that it is over, I'm saying that it is looking good.  A lot of the people in Iraq wanted us to succeed, but after the way Bush Sr. screwed them over they were worried about us leaving them again and Saddam coming back.  Now that we have him, I think that we are going to get a lot more help from the local population.

I don't really think that the Iraqis resent us.  The rest of that part of the world does, but at this point the Iraqis are just glad to be rid of Saddam.  We actually had to stop their celebrating when we got him, because the idiots forgot a solid law of the universe: what goes up, must come down.  They were actually shooting their guns up in the air, and then the bullet were falling back down on them.  Not really sure what that has to do with the point I was trying to make, I just found it amusing.
 
I'm also pretty sure that we are going to hand him over to the Iraqis, as they can do much worse things to him then we can, and they will be glad of the opportunity.  There is also a huge difference between Jesus of Nazareth and Saddam, martyrdom notwithstanding.

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  RE: We Got Him
December 16, 2003 6:36:30 AM    View the profile of chipmunk man 
/me grabs his gun collection and resumes turning pictues of Osama into paper mush.

Well, So-damn In-sane has been caught, now we just need O-so-gay binLadin.

Lock Saddam up in a third-world prison with some gay rapists, and throw away the key.
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 16, 2003 3:41:39 PM    View the profile of blah909 
how bout we take the third world prison to the north or south pole?

unfortunatly, the capture ain't gonna do much. maybe make attacks a litte more frequent for a week. not much else. they are detirmened to kick the invaders out of their house.
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 16, 2003 7:54:06 PM    View the profile of Afyon 
lets not kid ourselves, Saddam's power was essentially broken after the US began its occupation of the country.  I highly doubt the attacks will stop since they are now from foreign terrorists (who were never supported by Saddam Hussein but are taking advantage of the so-called "American hunting season" as it is probably called there.)
Also various ba'ath factions and other supporters but I highly doubt they were directly co-ordinated by Saddam Hussein anyhow.

The US managed to capture a desperate and haggard man who was once a bloody dictator.  He will be brought to justice for his crimes but until they capture someone who is really co-ordinating the attacks, dont jump for joy.
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 19, 2003 11:46:14 AM    View the profile of Mars 
Technically, we could kill him.  Dying like a coward doesn't make one a martyr.  There is a difference between Jesus and Saddam... Jesus, stay with me here, didn't perform genocide on his own people, nor anyone for that matter.

And I need to get this off my chest, for those people that say we got into a war of imperialism for the oil... I say this... we are the f**king United States, and if we need oil, then hell, we'll take it!  Darwin's Survival of the Fittest
 
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December 19, 2003 2:39:24 PM    View the profile of Rema 
Mars, Mars, Mars. It is for oil, and for many other reasons which i dont care to list. BUT the atitude that we can take whatever we want because we are the most powerful nation is the arrogance that the rest of the world hates. We are the most powerful nation on the world yes, but we cant go around taking what we want. Thats Imperialism. That kinda goes against everything this country basically stands for. The opinion that we can take what we want when we want it is one that many of our leaders in this nation have. Perhaps thats why this nation has many problems. I end with something that shows what we could become if we continue with this "bully" thing the US has going on.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Imperial States of America, and to the Empire for which it stands, one nation, under Bush, indivisible, with opression and injustice for all.

 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 19, 2003 5:53:59 PM    View the profile of blah909 
that darwin rule applys to animals
like monkeys
like you
we are not monkeys
we don't kill someone and take their bannanas because we want more and we are bigger than them
we don't invade someone and take their oil because we want more and we are a friggin mega-power that could take on the world
 
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December 20, 2003 3:33:22 PM    View the profile of Mars 
blah, I hate to tell you this but humans are animals... just very intelligent animals (not animals in the sense that we are savages... we are biologically animals, the other option is plants and I know we are not all plants).  And I don't think lesser beings steal "bananas" just to have more than everything else... they steal them so they can survive longer.  We can't let our own country die out just because we think others will hate us if we do what we can to ensure our survival.

Imperialism has to happen sometime... it is just a given fact.  If humans are ever going to establish off-world colonies (I'm not trying to be geeky here... just stating that this is our future), we can NEVER do this if separate governments still exist.  Granted that the United Nations exists, but this is just a compromise between states, not a true worldwide government.  Look at Japan, this country produces tons of products... why?  Because the United States exerted "imperialism" on this island nation.  Aside from the land crunch, Japan is doing quite well for themselves with the third highest GDP in the world.  Then compare South Korea(12) to North Korea (98).
 
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December 20, 2003 6:07:32 PM    View the profile of blah909 
i agree that we are animals
i was refering to the animals with less intelligence than us
 
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December 20, 2003 9:56:39 PM    View the profile of Denethor 
So you're insuing that an entire country has less intelligence and is therefore more animalistic than ours? Do you not realize that some of the best doctors in our country come from foriegn third world countries, and the average IQ in the US could not hold a candle to theirs? I'm sure you could go over to Iraq and not be able to understand how to do a task that they find completely menial,  and someone there would be a master of it, while you look like a complete idiot. Watch youself as you call another nation lesser beings, someone from that country could be your means betweeen life and death, and if they heard what you had said about their country and people,  they just might decide to be your means towards death.         

As for "completing the mission", what mission? The mission the american people were told about was a complete lie. weapons of mass destruction nothing, there was no evidence of it, quoted by dick cheney himself, the only reason we went over there was to complete the job bush sr couldn't,  or didn't have the guts to. don't get me wrong, I'm glad we've got the piece of crap, but sending our troops in to risk there lives in a cover up mission that the president lied to his own country about is completely wrong


 
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December 20, 2003 10:42:06 PM    View the profile of Swomz 
About the first part, you would have no idea what those people do and do not know.  While they are probably just as intelligent as many of us, they obviously don't have a society that even closely rivals ours.  Although, I guess that can be debated.  We have plenty of intelligent people, as do they, and you can't judge who is smarter, either Denethor.
 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 23, 2003 4:05:29 PM    View the profile of Mars 
I don't think anyone was degrading the mental abilities of Arabs, nor anyone, so how did that rant get started?
 
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December 23, 2003 5:08:01 PM    View the profile of Rema 
I agree with Mars, the Intelligence of people has nothing to do with any of the things we were discussing here.

We can't let our own country die out just because we think others will hate us if we do what we can to ensure our survival. Last time i looked, the United States isnt close to death, not by a long shot. Corruption? Perhaps. There is one thing you also must understand, we are the most powerful nation in the world and that brings certain responsibilities. We must set an example for other countries and we must be conscience of what we do. We cant go around taking what we want, we would be no better than Saddam himself.

Imperialism has to happen sometime... it is just a given fact.  If humans are ever going to establish off-world colonies we can NEVER do this if separate governments still exist. I totally agree with you Mars, but the only way that a world wide government will happen is of two ways. Either that country takes over the world with military force and eradicates all those that dont share the same views as it does, or something that threatens the entire mankind. Both of those, in our life time that is, seem are far fetched. Now i know there are more, if you feel it necessary to post it then do so.

Because the United States exerted "imperialism" on this island nation. Last time i checked, Japan was an Imperial Nation before the United States was even around.

Denethor, i agree with your entire post. Except there might be a few other reasons why bush invaded Iraq. We can get into those fun things later

 
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  RE: We Got Him
December 23, 2003 7:08:15 PM    View the profile of blah909 
ya, denethor, i was never refering to the intelligence of other homo sapien sapiens
i was reffering to monkeys
oh-ah-ah (monkey sound)
 
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December 24, 2003 10:00:05 AM    View the profile of chipmunk man 
I was going to restrain myself from posting, but Denethor called down the fire and brimstone. Well, in the next couple of posts, that's gonna come pouring down.

You think there was no evidence of WMD's? HAH! THEN HOW IN GOD'S NAME DID SADDAM GET THE ONES HE USED?!?! That's right, maybe you forgot, but Saddam was such an evil, whacked out freak that he even used WMD's against HIS OWN PEOPLE!! That there PROVES that he had them. The problem now is finding them. Things like that don't simply vanish into thin air. They don't bio-degrate. So they have to somewhere. Iraq refused to say where they went. We KNOW that they had them, all we wanted to know was where they went. Iraq refused to tell. That, in my mind, says that they were either planning to use them, or had given them to someone who would.

Maybe you like the idea of everyone running with the deer in a field of daisy's. Yes, that would be nice. BUT AS LONG AS SICK FREAKS LIKE SADDAM AND OSAMA HAVE WMD'S THAT CANNOT BE ACHIEVED! Sometimes war, although ugly is NECESSARY to serve the public welfare. Those American and British and other coalition troops put themselves in harm's way to protect all of our sorry rears from psychos like Saddam and Osama, and all I hear is people complaining and calling the troops baby-killers. We are one of the greatest, most civilized societies the world has seen as a DIRECT RESULT of brave men and women like the ones currently serving, offering their lives if necessary to make our's more safe and secure.

Doesn't anyone remember the days right after 9/11? Doesn't anyone remember that we were the victims of a WELL PLANNED attack, one that took years of planning? We rallied around Bush then, why not now? What happened? We were all patriots once.

DIDN'T ANYONE ELSE HEAR ON NPR THAT THE FBI HAD LINKED SADDAM TO THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING?!?! He apperently gave Tim McViegh money and technical help to kill all those children in the nursery. Osama attacked us, Saddam attacked us. Both deserve to be punished.

Don't tell me I was lied to; that there were no WMD's. Maybe they aren't in Iraq anymore, but the purpose of the invasion was to figure out WHERE THEY HAVE GONE. And I believe that soon enough, after the capture of So-damn In-sane, he will help us fill in that gap.
 
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December 24, 2003 3:41:22 PM    View the profile of TK-112 
Personally, from my point of view the US should just stay out of Iraq....

No country should be able to send their military forces to another country, unless they were specifically asked by either the citizens or the leaders of that country with 100% backing from the UN. People can handle their own business. When I was living in Indonesia and Soeharto was still the president. That dictator killed many people, corrupted, shot people that were demonstrating and started a whole riot and almost a civil war. But still, I don't see any western/asian countries coming in to help us, but after a while, things died down and we managaded to overthrow his dictatorship without the help of any other country.

Another thing is, if you want oil, get lost and get your own oil. Don't just come in and steal other people's oil, go find some alternative ways, use LPG or something. The USA is an advanced country, i'm quite sure that if they didn't spend all those money preparing for war and diverted the money to further research, they would probably be on their way to a new solution by now.

One last thing, the UN building should be moved to a neutral teritory, God there's a hell of a lot off inhabited pacific islands that they can buy, or make a place like Hawaii a  UN island. That way people would stop thinking that the UN (wether it is or it isn't) is controlled by the USA.
 
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December 24, 2003 3:45:49 PM    View the profile of TK-112 
one last thing with the US,

It's either you're are friend, or we bomb you.

(No disrespect meant to the US members of the VE I am mainly pointing this out to your government)
 
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December 24, 2003 5:42:41 PM    View the profile of Rema 
Well this is turning into a most amusing thread. (Not disrespectfully that is) I think all this heated debate is good, this world needs more of it. Anyway on to the topics!

You think there was no evidence of WMD's? HAH! THEN HOW IN GOD'S NAME DID SADDAM GET THE ONES HE USED?!?! Well i do believe that last time he was caught with weapons was back at the original Gulf War. While he could have had them now, it would be more likely that he was still in the development stages of these weapons.

That's right, maybe you forgot, but Saddam was such an evil, whacked out freak that he even used WMD's against HIS OWN PEOPLE!! Two things about this. First, Saddam used them against the Rebels who opposed him in the north(forget their names) that fought with us. While they were his people, they were rebels and going against him so kinda not his people. I do agree though that what he did to them was horrible. Finally i heard some new info about these things. I heard from Art that he watched a interview or something about a CIA agent who said it was Iranian soldiers who killed the MAJORITY of those people. Im not sure if this it true.

Those American and British and other coalition troops put themselves in harm's way to protect all of our sorry rears from psychos like Saddam and Osama While i agree that Osama could hurt the United States and the rest of the world, Saddam had NO, i repeat NO capabilities to either attack the United States or anyone else. He could barely hit Israel at best. If there is one thing that annoys me about this whole thing is people saying Saddam was gonna attack the United States. That just stupid.

We rallied around Bush then, why not now? What happened? We were all patriots once. Two things. One, everyone agreed that 9/11 was a horrible tragedy to hit the United States since Pearl Harbor. Why we didnt rally around Bush per say, but rather the attacks "stirred the sleeping giant". In other words we rallied around the foundation that the United States were founded upon. (That doesnt make much sense but its hard to explain.) Now when Bush sent troops into Iraq, Americans didnt feel that Saddam threatened them or that he posed a threat. Thats why we dont support him fully. Our right to not support him is one of the greatest things we have in this country. And finally, was there a Bush spokes person in the room at the time you typed this??

DIDN'T ANYONE ELSE HEAR ON NPR THAT THE FBI HAD LINKED SADDAM TO THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING?!?! I find that hard to believe. And i doubt that the FBI would make something up to help their Boss. But you gotta trust the FBI, i mean they havent screwed up on anything at all. Oh no wait..........

Saddam attacked us Nope.

but the purpose of the invasion was to figure out WHERE THEY HAVE GONE Strange, i thought it was to free the Iraqi people and get the weapons he already had, not the ones he "supposedly" gave away. /me shrugs

Don't tell me I was lied to; that there were no WMD's. Im sorry to break it to you, but you were lied to along with the rest of the world.

Ok Tk, I agree no country should be able to send an army in to "free" it without being asked. Now about the oil. Over the years, the US has made many enemies because we either pissed people off because of our "freedom" (Dont know if i agree with that but whatever) or uhh.. wait that the only big reason. That is the reason why we have to have a big army. I agree that is kinda stupid but what are you gonna do?

Bush=Wealthy from Oil Business=Want oil for friends and family=oil in Middle East=They all bad and gonna attack us=invade and take over all resources=Another Mansion for Bush and his buddies

Ah.. Gotta love how the world works.

(Not offense to anyone i have talked about. Im just arguing the point.)

 
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December 25, 2003 1:01:38 AM    View the profile of TK-112 

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December 25, 2003 11:17:30 AM    View the profile of chipmunk man 
If we invaded Iraq for the oil, then why did we put all the oil wells in Iraqi hands? I've been told that the Iraqi people are in control of their own wells, not US companies, and that we are NOT making huge profits from it. Thus, Bush is NOT lining his and his buddies' pockets.
 
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December 25, 2003 2:05:57 PM    View the profile of TK-112 
Heh, just a massive cover up story...
 
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December 25, 2003 5:01:21 PM    View the profile of blah909 
is hallburton a company or is he the CEO?
 
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