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January 20, 2010
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Hmmm... that's a shame.
What would happen if you used numbers instead of words?
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January 20, 2010
11:59:40 AM
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January 20, 2010
12:12:41 AM
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Looks decent, but if we can't seperate off with "Fifth Fleet," then we might have to give it a header like the other sections and just be satisfied with that?
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January 20, 2010
12:46:07 AM
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maybe someone else can play with it too? hint hint..
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January 20, 2010
3:00:44 PM
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Ok ladies, And Den...I got good news and...other? news lol
Good news: I got your precious "5th Fleet" designation in correctly
Other news: I'm uncertain how to designate everyone so I just started out at 1 on each ship...shouldn't be a problem, yet anyways.
Our next topic of discussion...designations!
How do we want to be designated?
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January 20, 2010
3:37:54 PM
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/me paints the 'Guest Ships' RED
Feel free to kill'em off now.
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January 20, 2010
4:11:01 PM
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What do you mean by designations? The numbers that start off each line in the crew bit? Why is that important?
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January 20, 2010
4:17:29 PM
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A Task Force is, essentially, a squadron of Capital Ships. Why wouldn't we need designations within the roster? Of course, we will be spoken of in character as the name of our ship, but for roster purposes, we need a designation type.
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January 20, 2010
4:20:10 PM
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Oh right I see.
I beleive those are on the wiki - we use TF-X# format (numbers from 1 - 7). IF you go to TFX's main wiki page:
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http://www.vastempire.com/wiki/index.php?title=Task_Force_Xesh_%28TF-X%29[/url]
All of the ships had designations.
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January 20, 2010
4:27:02 PM
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aight, i will fix them in a few
Thanks
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January 20, 2010
4:31:26 PM
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It may not be my place to make comments like this, but usually in a task force there would be several different ships and they would be talked about generally by their designation within the task force or Armada, an so say you have a task force of 16 ships, you have 2 squadrons of 4 light ships, for this purpose called destroyers, and then you have a 4 ship squadron of light cruisers, and then you have two cruisers, one battlecruiser, and then a carrier or support vessel, the roster would probably be broken down that way, instead of each ship being given a separate designation, since the different elements would try to operate together, just my opinion, you may take it or leave it as you wish.
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January 20, 2010
4:34:49 PM
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I think he mean't designation as in the equivelent of 'Gamma 4' or Viper 6, but no you're right, vessels can also be identified by their role.
We have divided up the wiki between the Command ship, Line & Pickets ships, as well as identified ships if their a carrier, or an anti-starfighter ship.
Whilst it wouldn't be a problem for the Strike, the Vic or the Broadside, as there's only one of each, there are two carracks and two lancers, so we would need some kind of basic designation to destinguish between the two.
As I said, we have the TF-X# designations anyway.
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January 20, 2010
4:40:38 PM
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Yeah, Ib's got it...but i know what you mean Slasher, and i believe that's how we divided the TF up
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January 20, 2010
4:45:36 PM
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the could be Lancer wing 1 and Lancer Wing 2 etc. I know it is a different series, but in star trek deep space nine, in the episode sacrifice of angels, at one point Captain Benjamin Sisko gives the order "Have Galaxy wings 91 and 95 engage those destroyers, the each of those numbers refers to a single ship, but in the thick of battle it is easier than trying to remember all of the different names of the ships, because you can give the order for a particular section of the force to engage, and regardless of whether you have the Tiamut, Horn of Valor, or Rising Sun in the carrier wing 2 slot, when you order Carrier wing 2 to move forward and engage an enemy unit, you don't have to worry about which ship it is, the correct ship will engage them. It also helps when you have to close ranks during a battle because you can order the fourth destroyer squadron forward, and even if two of the units have folded together as the 4th, they will all move to engage. Anyway, that's how I would organize it. Lol, I was writing this while stormz was writing no disrespect meant by continuing the conversation.
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January 20, 2010
4:49:13 PM
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That's a very valid point, but saying 'Wing 2' or whatever is no different from us saing 'TF-X2' or even just 'X2'.
It's ok Slasher, really :P we know what we're doing. (Sort of?)
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January 20, 2010
9:37:36 PM
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I think what he's trying to say is the difference is, for lack of a better word, the selection (like in a strategy game) of a single ship, and multiple ships. With a whole fleet of a huge number of ships, it would obviously be better to group like ships together and just call them out with 1 designation. It wouldn't be practical to give out orders to one ship at a time. However, in our case, we're looking at no more than 10 ships... I don't think that's too hard to manage, is it?
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January 21, 2010
8:20:03 AM
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We shouldn't be dealing with any more than 5-6 ships(?) in a task force. Slasher's idea would be very usefull if we do a story like the wing story of last year (where each squadron was given a group of Capital's in the first fleet). But, for now, I don't see it being much use. - OOC:
- Just noticed the task force designations skip from TF-X2 to TF-X4...there a reason for that?
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January 21, 2010
9:05:24 AM
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January 21, 2010
1:13:32 PM
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That was just an idea i threw it out there for consideration. and no more than 2 guest ships at any given time, and none larger than the flagship.
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January 21, 2010
4:15:25 PM
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Quote:Just noticed the task force designations skip from TF-X2 to TF-X4...there a reason for that?
TF-X3 is the Broadside-class Cruiser/Missile Corvette, our support ship. It should be on the wiki, althoug now that I mention it I don't remember seeing it on the roster you made. Maybe you didn't see it?
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January 21, 2010
4:58:50 PM
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It's an NPC ship anyway, so i guess it could or could not go on the roster?
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January 21, 2010
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If it's a permanent part of our roster, I will add it...but seeing as it's a support ship, i think it should be changed to TF-X8
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January 21, 2010
6:14:20 PM
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Or rather, TF-X7 and shift everything down a number...
It makes no difference to me to be honest, that's just the story behind the 'missing' TF-X3.
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January 21, 2010
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The numberings were done based on the sizes of the ships. The broadside being larger than the Carracks and smaller/less-powerful than the Strike. But if people feel the need to have everything go in order, then sure we can move the numbering.
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January 22, 2010
3:37:11 AM
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Mmm- you've lost me? Lol. Btw- we ganna start tossing some ideas around for this story?
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January 22, 2010
7:16:33 AM
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Well not if you're going to commit suicide :P no.
I reckon this should be a some sort of 'trial by fire' story, so that Task Force Xesh isn't officially made until afterwards.
I'm thinking... Den could be on a 'tour' of the defences along the Eastern Territories, in the Pandora. Sort of a moral boosting/sight seeing trip for him and his staff at TacCom or whatever.
They're ambushed, or go missing, or something, and then the rest of us who are in the area, but at different locations, come and respond.
We kick but, Den realises we work well together, and so forms an official task force in order to help defend the Eastern Block, and then we go from there.
This story would essentially have two elements. There's the main story of us trying to rescue Den, and then we each have our own personal sidestory about how we first get to where we are.
So for example, my chracter isn't the Captain to begin with, but when the command staff are wiped out, I end up being the senior ranking officer. So there's that.
For Will, it could be his first day aboard his ship. Shaz, Liquid, STormz etc... we all have our 'Origin' Storys (To borrow a phrase from Dragon Age: Origins).
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January 22, 2010
1:34:41 PM
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Heck, let's call the story Task Force Xesh: Origins :P
I really like the idea of the story, btw Ib
However, i can't help but notice that it's a bit hard for everyone to have all their COs killed all of a sudden and all become captains. This is where having different stations might have come in handy lol.
However, don't fret, I thought of another idea. A couple people can be captains to begin with, and already working together. Like Shazam could be on a patrol or escort mission with another ship, and receives the distress call and heads over... Like the Rising Sun from S&M i guess. sooo yeah.
Me likes it.
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January 22, 2010
1:39:11 PM
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Both are good ideas in my opinion.
It would be easy to assume Shazam and Liquid or myself were the other ship on patrol with Shazam, since we have the smaller ships.
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January 22, 2010
2:26:58 PM
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Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that EVERYONE follows the same scenario I did lol
Only Ibram gets to do that one :P as I dibbsed it first.
But it can be logical to assume that Shaz would have his own ship, so that can be the Kasabian. Willt you're not going to be a captain anyway, so that's ok. Stormz could pretend that his ship was from the group stationed at VENA, and then that just leaves liquid to do whatever he feels like.
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[VE-NAVY] 1st Lieutenant [VE-VEEC] Ink Slinger
Post Number: 1105
Total Posts: 2218
Joined: Oct 2004
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RE: CSS Topic
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January 22, 2010
2:32:55 PM
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Naval AcademyNTO/1LT Stormz/NP Saratoga /TF:TH/3Flt/NAD/VEN/VE [NSM][IG][SWC][SRC][BI](=A=)(=^SA^=)(=ME=)(=*MAE*=)(=FOCE=)   Imperial Baronet of Kashyyyk
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