Simply; in retrospect, was Bush horrid, seriously unapprecitated, a moron, etc?

And looking forward: will Obama-Biden make a better White House pair than McCain-Palin?

And just about the US government in general.


Personally, I think that Obama will make a better president globally and in just America.

Why? Obama has a better chance of setting up the economy in a good way. The US economy is very important to the rest of the world, and its the rest of the world's fault. They bought into the US Stock Market when it boomed and now it's dived. While that sucks, the US isn't in another depression...yet.

It's just a recession, but it hurts the whole world; we export, we owe everyone money, and we're wasting money in stupid wars or embargos. Out budget is shot to hell, the president only made the situation worse.

This brings me to point two (or one, whatever): Bush is not entirely to blame.

Again: why? I believe that he reacted the only way America knows how to react to the terrorist strike; with a declaration of war. 'War on Terror' may have passed Seven years ago but it does not cut it now.

"We're chasing down the last of the terrorists" they say. My response; simple: bullshit. There are too many Muslims who hate America for Israel or for any of a dozen other reasons. It is impossible to win a war the way we're fighting it.

Meanwhile, most of our allies hate us, Russia's screwing around, and frankly, the only country with enough power is dragging its feet in Iraq and Afghanistan.

My theory: (which would never work, duh): build a giant wall around the entire middle East and let them shoot the hell out of one another. It is simply the most chaotic region of that size on earth. Tribes, Muslims with AK's, terrorists.

And who cares about Osama? He's probably died of malnourishment or old age by now. Maybe even cancer. The justification to fight those wars is done. the US should go home, and stay there. Fix the economy, send small amounts of aid, keep Russia and China in check. The world doesn't need us to police it. It resents us, and not for entirely bad reasons.

Garryll Gates wrote:Simply; in retrospect, was Bush horrid, seriously unapprecitated, a moron,

You still voted him in for two terms... If making sure supplies vital to your countries survival aren't under the control of someone like Saddam makes you and idiot, then I'd hate you know what your definition of a genius was.

Garryll Gates wrote:simple: bullshit. There are too many Muslims who hate America for Israel or for any of a dozen other reasons. It is impossible to win a war the way we're fighting it.

Its not necessarily a war, since your trying to re-establish the government in Iraq. Occupation would be a more appropriate word. What most people seem to overlook is that most Iraqi's think the US are doing a good job... and that Saddam was a complete asshole. (You could go into the argument that they should of taken him down in the early 90's, but we wont)

Garryll Gates wrote:Again: why? I believe that he reacted the only way America knows how to react to the terrorist strike; with a declaration of war.

Saying he brute forced is a bit much, He was showing that you couldn't pull this kind of crap and get away with it... If he hadn't of acted you'd be criticizing him now on why he didn't act. In his shoes you'd probably would of done the same thing.

Garryll Gates wrote:The US economy is very important to the rest of the world, and its the rest of the world's fault.

Well, it was your banks fault for dodgy buisness practices that gave it a kick start.. not the rest of the world

Garryll Gates wrote:My theory: (which would never work, duh): build a giant wall around the entire middle East and let them shoot the hell out of one another. It is simply the most chaotic region of that size on earth. Tribes, Muslims with AK's, terrorists.

... Now, common sense would say to me "I shouldn't say this out loud if i actually believed it", because its one of those things that make people hate you.

Africa is probably worse off then the middle east in terms of chaos. (Also, Chaos implies there isn't meaning to it, when there is a clear pattern to the violence in the region)



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The topic should be called "Garryll's rant" as you only have two or three lines about the presidency. Also, you constantly contradict yourself (eg- what snipes said). Next time I recommend you take the argument to the IRC, and see how it stands up. lastly, you should stop generalizing the whole "Muslim" thing with terrorism... it demonstrates ignorance

I'm truly sorry if this sounded like a rant and if it sounded like I'm a racist.

That was not my intention, and I apologize.

It may look like I'm speaking from my own, anti-everyone viewpoint, and they may be right. I'd advise just not reading this, in that case.