Snipes just spoke the most sense I think I've heard in this entire topic

Decem, well said. And I'm not just saying that because your on my side as well.

I'm on neither side, no one who has spoken in this topic is wrong apart from Dante saying that it it basically is humans fault.

And Al Gore being the first political figure to speak out may well be true, but it doesn't really matter. In my opinion he is just doing is to bring more attention to himself, because once again his spotlight is running low on power. South Park's 'Man Bear Pig' was a perfect summary of AL Gore's attention seeking.

Hippies spoke out before Al Gore, and they numbered in their thousands, if not millions. I don't care how famous one person is, millions of people carry the same, if not more of an impact than one particularly egotistical politician.

Whether Politicians care or not, and regardless of whose fault it is, something is happening.

Whether we like it or not, the planet is apparently getting hotter. Now there's no use playing the blame game, but doing something about it would be useful.

I had a lecture on global warming once, and at the end of it, my lecturer put it into figures that everyone could understand:

If we do nothing, we stand to lose 10% of the worlds GDP. If we try and control the rate things happen, we may only stand to lose 1%.

Those figures didn't actually come from him, it was from some research some guy had done recently on the topic. I forget who.

Ok, I'll amend that :P We're having very messed up weather, which some have dubbed "global warming" - go figure.

That exactly what the people arguing for action have been telling us to do...

Yes, but Dante and Ibram have a point. Those people for action have been encouraging us to take action, not forcing us to pay bills for the UN, Gshlecc. Besides, we also use a lot of energy, so why should we ask Al Gore how much he use? Why should we mock him when he has a sorrowful past already, why? What's the point of us mocking him, will it make us feel good, Kand, Gshleecc, think about it, and ask me truthfully.

This isn't necessarily substantial, but I thought I might add that eliminating the "supposed" cause of Global warming would improve the environment.  You've already pointed that out of course, but I thought I'd also mention why that is important: we are humans- we breath air.  Those plumes of smoke rolling into the skies above factories- not good for you.  That exhaust from the back of your car: a lot more dangerous than cigarettes ever have or will be.  You're taking harmful gases and exposing people to them constantly: a move to remove fossil fuels would have farther reaching effects than crops.  Global warming: we should try and prevent it, but whatever way you swing it- fossil fuels really aren't a good thing...  I could go into greater detail about the foods you eat, the pills your doctors prescribe, but I'm not really the paranoid type; you folks keep talking- I'll watch.

It's somewhat fair to say that, Orobos. America is a VERY large contributor to fossil fuel consumption and gas production. But places like China, Japan, and even your precious UK do alot as well.

Surprise surprise as well, we DO recycle. However, studies have shown that in most cases, the process of recycling actually emits CO2. How much CO2? I have no idea, go look it up. Perhaps it's better than throwing it away, but there is a drawback.

So pelase don't go championing your own nation and chastising America on a message board choc full of Americans. You may be right, but chances are you'll get attacked.

Decembrist wrote:your precious UK

My precious UK. You're kidding right?

I know China probably puts out nearly as much rubbish as America, and as one of the superpowers of the world it probably should do something about it, but it is seen as a developing country (from what I've rea) and isn't put under the same amount of pressure to change this as the rest of us is. I know that America recycles, I'm just saying, it might not be recycling as much as it should(I know I'm just asking to be flamed by saying this).

Decembrist wrote:So pelase don't go championing your own nation

Can't help it

Shazam wrote:This isn't necessarily substantial, but I thought I might add that eliminating the "supposed" cause of Global warming would improve the environment.  You've already pointed that out of course, but I thought I'd also mention why that is important: we are humans- we breath air.  Those plumes of smoke rolling into the skies above factories- not good for you.  That exhaust from the back of your car: a lot more dangerous than cigarettes ever have or will be.  You're taking harmful gases and exposing people to them constantly: a move to remove fossil fuels would have farther reaching effects than crops.  Global warming: we should try and prevent it, but whatever way you swing it- fossil fuels really aren't a good thing...  I could go into greater detail about the foods you eat, the pills your doctors prescribe, but I'm not really the paranoid type; you folks keep talking- I'll watch.

Quite right, Shazam, I compliment you on an excellent speech, we should really try and prevent global warming from happening. And we Chinese admit, we have been polluting the environment, but we, like the Americans, are doing something about it, and I'm sure, the Britians are also, right, Orobos?

Apparently the Comnet won't let me leave this box empty.

No one here has said that China is blameless. All of the major countries have to act in order to stop Global warming, or we're still screwed. Still, the US shouldn't shirk its responsibility just because China is being childish.

What the US is doing is a token gesture at best. An international effort is needed to make a real difference.

Gshlecc wrote:no, they want to give over sovereign control of YOUR nation to the UN. control how warm your house is. force you to drive less or not at all. make you pay taxes to the UN.

I know this was said a while ago, but, wow. I thought I had some ridiculous conspiracy theories but now I feel tame.

/me goes to the basement to decipher more mass governmental subterfuge.

P.S. They say that you can't be a real environmentalist these days without being a vegetarian. I wonder how many of the folks in here have taken that step to save the planet?

Dante and Arnaut all have their right points, the US government needs to do more for their country to lower carbon emissions, they have the technology as Al Gore stated.

Now China is definitely doing something about the pollution and the carbon emissions, for they are going have the Olympics at their capital, they've decided to make it one of their many policies, that's all I'll say.