Oh, yeah, right I almost forgot about that, that's one thing that the terrorists love to take on us because they use guerilla warfare.

BTW, I should ask why would we want to ally with Afghanistan, I mean how's their relations with us? That's the question......

also, I agree that bush is turning out to be the next richard nixon because the man is crazy in doing this whole thing, it's a waste of money and people that could have been spent on fighting diseases and the hunger that is living in this world, christ, I mean the man is so impatient!!!!!
 
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TRP/PFC Jennabelle/2SQD/2PLT/1COM/1RGT/1BAT/VEA/VE/Tadath

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. " -Darth Vader

Hey Art did you hear what happened in Canada? They found three metric tons of some stuff to make bombs. and they were going to blow something up. What was the deal with that?
 
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FM/ LCR Krius/ Kaph 8/ Wing 2/ mSSD Atrus/ Pheonix Wing/ VEN/ VE/ (=A=)
Krius=Leon

Just as I say this more details were just released.  Undercover agents sold the amonium nitrate to the suspects however it was a fake substance designed to look like it.  So really brillaint work on the part of investigators.
 
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WAJ/ESN Corran "Arturus" Hargraves/M-SSD Atrus/VE/VEN/(=A=)(=SA=)(=*MA*=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)[MC:1](x2)[SV][BRC][VC:B][LSM][LoC]


"The way of war is a way of deception. When able, feign inability; when deploying troops, appear not to be. When near, appear far; when far, appear near. Lure with bait; strike with chaos. If the enemy is full, be prepared. If strong, avoid him. If he is angry, disconcert him. If he is weak, stir him to pride. If he is relaxed, harry him; if his men are harmonious, split them. Attack where he is unprepared; appear where you are unexpected. This is victory in warfare; it cannot be divulged in advance. Victory belongs to the side that scores most in the temple calculations before battle. Most spells victory; least spells defeat; none, surer defeat. I see it in this way, and the outcome is apparent." -- Sun Tzu

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle but in defeating the enemy without ever fighting." -- Sun Tzu

It is the tallest free standing structure in the world, it has to be reasonably strong. :P
 
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"The way of war is a way of deception. When able, feign inability; when deploying troops, appear not to be. When near, appear far; when far, appear near. Lure with bait; strike with chaos. If the enemy is full, be prepared. If strong, avoid him. If he is angry, disconcert him. If he is weak, stir him to pride. If he is relaxed, harry him; if his men are harmonious, split them. Attack where he is unprepared; appear where you are unexpected. This is victory in warfare; it cannot be divulged in advance. Victory belongs to the side that scores most in the temple calculations before battle. Most spells victory; least spells defeat; none, surer defeat. I see it in this way, and the outcome is apparent." -- Sun Tzu

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle but in defeating the enemy without ever fighting." -- Sun Tzu

Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.
 
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WAJ/ESN Corran "Arturus" Hargraves/M-SSD Atrus/VE/VEN/(=A=)(=SA=)(=*MA*=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)[MC:1](x2)[SV][BRC][VC:B][LSM][LoC]


"The way of war is a way of deception. When able, feign inability; when deploying troops, appear not to be. When near, appear far; when far, appear near. Lure with bait; strike with chaos. If the enemy is full, be prepared. If strong, avoid him. If he is angry, disconcert him. If he is weak, stir him to pride. If he is relaxed, harry him; if his men are harmonious, split them. Attack where he is unprepared; appear where you are unexpected. This is victory in warfare; it cannot be divulged in advance. Victory belongs to the side that scores most in the temple calculations before battle. Most spells victory; least spells defeat; none, surer defeat. I see it in this way, and the outcome is apparent." -- Sun Tzu

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle but in defeating the enemy without ever fighting." -- Sun Tzu

Al-Zarqawi was the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq.  Osama bin Laden is the leader of Al Qaeda.
 
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"The way of war is a way of deception. When able, feign inability; when deploying troops, appear not to be. When near, appear far; when far, appear near. Lure with bait; strike with chaos. If the enemy is full, be prepared. If strong, avoid him. If he is angry, disconcert him. If he is weak, stir him to pride. If he is relaxed, harry him; if his men are harmonious, split them. Attack where he is unprepared; appear where you are unexpected. This is victory in warfare; it cannot be divulged in advance. Victory belongs to the side that scores most in the temple calculations before battle. Most spells victory; least spells defeat; none, surer defeat. I see it in this way, and the outcome is apparent." -- Sun Tzu

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle but in defeating the enemy without ever fighting." -- Sun Tzu

Two things.

1. Like Art said, Zarqawi was the leader of a small group called al-Qaeda in Iraq.  Basically named such for marketing purposes.

2. This group is the foreign element that is responsible for about 10-15% (depending on who you ask) of the fighters in Iraq that oppose us and the new government.  Though, granted, these are among the most brutal of our adversaries there.

Given both of those trends, we *could* see a splintering of that particular group, but other than for a morale boost on our side of the conflict, it isn't the end-all, be-all you would hope it would be. What they lost was a poster boy, one that couldn't even properly operate a US-made machine gun if you watch the outtakes of his most recent video.

I've spoken with various military officers and NCOs in the past few days, either online or bumping into them around the neighborhood. One special forces NCO pretty much just laughed off the whole thing, and hell, he'd been tasked to off the guy when he was over there. That gives me a good indication as to how much this really means in the grand scheme of things, which isn't that much.

They lost a recruiting tool and an organizer. As for al-Qaeda at large, they lost a rogue element they never really could control anyway.
 
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Prefect - Stormtrooper Corps
Administrator - Imperial Center

He's saying that it is almost laughable that the administration and senior military brass think that the killing of Al-Zarqawi is vitally important and a great victory.  In the area of propaganda and public relations it is a victory given the general ignorance of the average person in regards to what is happening in Iraq and what it really means.  It is a victory for the administation because they will spin this as a case to continue the war, etc.

Al-Zarqawi was apparently charismatic (at least secondary sources maintain this and it is probably on the mark) and a masterful creator of propaganda.  He generated propaganda and his death will be used by the other propaganda masters, the Bush administration.  Does it at all alter the security environment in Iraq?  Not really.  In fact, there is always the worry that killing off a leader will allow radical clerics to spin it as martyrdom and try to gain more recruits.  Killing off terrorist leaders, despite how tempting it might be, is a fundamentally stupid idea in the grand scheme of things.  Capturing them alive and keeping them alive in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives is the best way to eliminate the martyrdom spinoff.

Al Qaeda has a fluid, not rigid, organizational structure and the loss of a leader or even an entire cell is relatively insignificant.  Even killing Osama bin Laden wouldn't be a tremendous blow given the structure.  It would be the loss of another master of propaganda but other than that it would probably create proclamations of martyrdom and will be used by the Bush administration to further the war and radical clerics and other Al Qaeda leaders as an inspiration of martyrdom to be used to get more followers.
 
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WAJ/ESN Corran "Arturus" Hargraves/M-SSD Atrus/VE/VEN/(=A=)(=SA=)(=*MA*=)(=JCPA=)(=SCPA=)[MC:1](x2)[SV][BRC][VC:B][LSM][LoC]


"The way of war is a way of deception. When able, feign inability; when deploying troops, appear not to be. When near, appear far; when far, appear near. Lure with bait; strike with chaos. If the enemy is full, be prepared. If strong, avoid him. If he is angry, disconcert him. If he is weak, stir him to pride. If he is relaxed, harry him; if his men are harmonious, split them. Attack where he is unprepared; appear where you are unexpected. This is victory in warfare; it cannot be divulged in advance. Victory belongs to the side that scores most in the temple calculations before battle. Most spells victory; least spells defeat; none, surer defeat. I see it in this way, and the outcome is apparent." -- Sun Tzu

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle but in defeating the enemy without ever fighting." -- Sun Tzu

If the hydra keeps growing heads, chop up the body, logic says.
 
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one of few - A vast Empire medic
Read Losses of Vandetta by me and Hellra
Flashmaker

that's a good idea, but has the administration thought of this idea?
 
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DarkDragoons

TRP/PFC Jennabelle/2SQD/2PLT/1COM/1RGT/1BAT/VEA/VE/Tadath

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. " -Darth Vader

Bush is too concerned with killing "'em baddies" than thinking of effective strategy. Too much thinking makes him miss his nap time.
 
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DarkDragoons
+ Advance Recon Commandos {ARC} +

FTL/SGT Garet Daimun/2SQD/1PLT/1COM/1RGT/1BAT/Tadath/VEA [ES2C]

"I don't need a plan. Plans are for scientists, and builders. I've got moxie... and guns."
-Jennifer Mui, Mercenaries

I know what you mean Darr but a part of me says kill em all and let god sort them out even though im not religious, it falls into the two angels on my shoulder, it just infuriates me that they have the guts to complain about being tortured after what they were planning to do.
 
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He will give them death, and they will love him for it -Gladiator

TRP/PFC_Rogueboy/1SQD/1PLT/COMP/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE [LoR]

Abu Grahib? It was more humiliating to America than it was to them.
 
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DarkDragoons
+ Advance Recon Commandos {ARC} +

FTL/SGT Garet Daimun/2SQD/1PLT/1COM/1RGT/1BAT/Tadath/VEA [ES2C]

"I don't need a plan. Plans are for scientists, and builders. I've got moxie... and guns."
-Jennifer Mui, Mercenaries

look, the whole thing was a disaster for the US, being that the whole world now knows how America was humiliate, I mean, I was even humiliated!!
 
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DarkDragoons

TRP/PFC Jennabelle/2SQD/2PLT/1COM/1RGT/1BAT/VEA/VE/Tadath

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. " -Darth Vader

wow and you say stay on topic. C'mon Atrick stay on topic!!!! lol.
 
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NightStalkers
TRP/LPC Leon/3SQD/2PLT/1CMP/1RGT/1BAT/Tadath/VEA
And so we go.