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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 3, 2005 4:53:16 PM    View the profile of Jakireth 
Back to the topic:
So, a Dark Jedi can incorporate real-world fighting styles and techniques into his/her own dueling style? Can you also include Star War's dueling styles? If so, how many techniques can be included in your fighting style? Can it change?
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 3, 2005 5:25:47 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Lightsaber combat is mainly based off of Kendo anyway. Once in a while you'll get a few unique fighters, such as Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Anakin's dual-lightsabers.

You can actually go and google the different Lightsaber Forms.
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 4, 2005 7:16:41 AM    View the profile of Kairo 
This is probably off topic, but I had thought up using two lightsabers at once right after the first time I saw Return of the Jedi. Then, in EP2, I see Anakin using them, and I want to say, "That was my idea..." Anyways, to get on topic, Count Dooku had a unique fighting style? How so? I guess I could probably google it, but if you want to answer here, that would be nice...
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 4, 2005 9:42:39 AM    View the profile of Yillis 
What you want to see is in Jedi Outcast is get the mods for two lightsabers and double lightersabers. Thats some trippy material.
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 4, 2005 9:45:41 AM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Compare Dooku's style with Anakin's and Obi Wan's. Obi Wan/Anakin used more of the Kendo-fighting style, whereas Dooku used more of a fencing style (a rapier instead of a sword).
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 4, 2005 10:03:00 AM    View the profile of Jack Nebulax 
In the Episode II Visual Dictionary, it gives some information on Jedi and their fighting forms. I personally think Form VII is the best, because the users tend to skirt close to the Dark Side. Only Mace Windu and one other Jedi used Form VII during the final days of the Old Republic.
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 4, 2005 10:04:18 AM    View the profile of Kairo 
That is true Yillis, but in my mind I have it done differently then both what Anakin did and what is in JO and JA. So Cosmic, you're saying Count Dooku likes to use Makashi, which uses short and precise movements like a rapier user would? Or is Makashi not really a proper Star Wars term?...

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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 4, 2005 1:31:13 PM    View the profile of Sniping101 
i was under the impression in Kendo you didnt let the blades touch, i could be wrong, it could be that other japanesse sword battleing method i cant think of the name of.
 
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July 4, 2005 1:39:31 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Don't know what that terms means, but "fencing" is my best way to describe his style.
 
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July 4, 2005 5:08:44 PM    View the profile of Willtconq 
I always thought kendo is almost the same thing as fencing, except they use wooden sticks as swords.
 
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July 4, 2005 5:39:19 PM    View the profile of Angel 
Kendo is in no way related to fencing, except that they both use weapons.
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 4, 2005 11:45:17 PM    View the profile of Sniping101 
yeah, and both are methods of using real weapons, just kendo uses kendo sticks to practice with and fencing uses foils, both work well to emulate the weapons they are made in image of, the Katana and Rapier.
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July 5, 2005 2:45:57 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Fencing is just... way more different than Kendo, heh. You guys need to Google it or something.
 
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July 5, 2005 3:10:36 PM    View the profile of Japheth 
Kendo is a very Japanese style. Its highly active. It uses a shinai, which is a split-bamboo sword. It relies on mostly slashing-style attacks (a shinai cannot slash, it is not sharp :P) and practicioners wear a lot of armor.

Fencing is similar in that it also uses some armor, though generally lighter armor. It is, by contrast, very western. The most famous sort of fencing involves foils, which are only good for poking, since they're essentially long, thin flexible spikes. The term "fencing" also covers the use of sabers and rapiers though.

Strictly speaking, in the Star Wars universe, they aren't using either of these styles. Lightsabers are entirely weightless except for the handle itself and thus do not handle the same way as any existing weapon on earth does. I, in real life, have recently begun Iaido lessons, Iaido is a sort of passive, non-combative, refined form of Kendo (its actually older than Kendo, so thats not entirely accurate), and with my limited experience with that I can say that the weight of the blade plays a very important part of all weapons training. Thus lightsaber forms may appear to be these, but are not.

Many sources have names for some of the various lightsaber forms featured in Star Wars. I don't personally know any of these, but someone else may be able to provide a link or something.
 
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July 5, 2005 3:55:10 PM    View the profile of Angel 
Japh is right on the money. I meant to post about that earlier, but it slipped my mind. When I say that I base my technique off of iajitsu and basic kendo, its not to say I am imitating it perfectly. I use quick thrusts and slashes, which is reflected in kendo fighting. The iajitsu fighting, it more or less a "do or die" fighting style. It relies heavily on speed, accuracy, and catching your opponent off guard. When executed properly, one blow is enough to win a fight due to its lethality.

I can explain it furthur if you wish, but it'd just get down to the nitty-gritty of the form.

Oh, and that Form I-VII stuff is BS in my opinion.
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
July 6, 2005 12:29:55 AM    View the profile of Japheth 
Iaijutsu and Iaido are related, for those wondering about the similarity in the name. Iai is a japanese phrase that means "drawing the sword from the scabbard (japanese term: saya) and striking in a single motion, following up quickly and replacing the sword in the saya" obviously iai is much shorter.

Iaijutsu is a more practical form which focuses on actual combat applicable techniques. It is oriented at legitamtely learning how to draw a sword and kill an opponent as fast as is humanly possible. Note the -jutsu suffix. This suffix is indicitave of styles which focus on realistic combat and disabling/dispatching opponents, other examples of -jutsu arts are jujitsu, kenjutsu and the ever-popular ninjutsu.

Iaido is, by contrast, more focused on using the sword and its accompanying forms and movement to focus and discipline oneself. While one still learns techniques that are directly applicable to actually employing one's weapon, one does not practice Iaido with the intention of ever actually doing so. The -do suffix directly translates as "the Way". Arts with the -do suffix are more focused on the philosophy of the art and self-discipline than one actually using it in order to defend oneself or harm others, though practicioners often learn how to do so as a side effect. Other -do arts include Kendo, Akido, and Judo.
 
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July 6, 2005 12:41:28 AM    View the profile of Talon 
Don't use any video game as a resource for saber styles.

Also a point of note: kendo does not make use of jabs. There isn't a single move in the form to stab with the tip of the blade. It's primarily slices. If you want to see an example of a good kendo battle, look at Obi vs Vader in Episode IV. It's a dull battle as far as Star Wars goes, but their form is decent.
 
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July 6, 2005 2:51:47 AM    View the profile of Japheth 
That said, my favorite is still Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon vs Maul in Ep1. It was the best part of that movie. Plus the music in that fight scene, superb!
 
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July 6, 2005 4:24:06 AM    View the profile of Yillis 
i did a project on that soundtrack, for music class.
 
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July 6, 2005 5:43:44 AM    View the profile of Jack Nebulax 
Yes, the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul duel was excellent. Combined with the "Duel of the Fates," it was in my opinion the only really good part of the movie.

But my ultimate favorite lightsaber duel was the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan duel on Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith.
 
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July 19, 2005 1:25:17 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
I have little experience of any sword fighting styles, except what i can find on the internet. I've read many many books with lots of swordplay in them though.

So, as in my bios, i just sat down and tried to come up with some stuff that seemed fairly imaginative, Raziel's strength is actually his ability to use a variety of styles effectively
 
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December 14, 2005 1:40:55 AM    View the profile of Evanture Marana 
If you want an indepth information on Lightsaber forms and what is available i would suggest picking up a very good book based off of Episode 3.  It is the book that is based off of the movie, and i was one of those people who went out and bought it long before Epi 3 was even prereleased for tickets.  Not only is the book an excellent read for an indepth look into the characters and why Anikan did what he did by joining Palp, but it goes very in depth with the Light Side fighting styles, including everything from Dooku's Makashi, to Windu's Vaapaad.  Also, Mace Windu is the ONLY user of Vapaad.  There is no one else, for he only has to concentration required to pull himself away from the lure of the Dark Side, and he refused to train anyone else in the art.  It is based on the Fighting style that made the reason for Obi-wan to be chosen to take down General Grevious.  At least according to the book, which was approved by Lucas, so i am taking it as canon.
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December 14, 2005 6:50:21 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
It'd help to know the title.

And I'm still working on the Dark Side Source book.
 
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December 18, 2005 5:16:43 AM    View the profile of Angel 
he was the only user at that time. There were many others before the Jedi Purge.

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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
December 18, 2005 2:59:00 PM    View the profile of Evanture Marana 
How could that be when Windu invented the Vaapaad style. 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
December 18, 2005 5:40:45 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Windu didn't "invent" the style. There was a previous form already created, and Windu merely further developed it.
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
January 2, 2006 10:33:28 AM    View the profile of Darr-Rann 
  A better "Duel of the Fates" fight is Yoda vs. Sideous. And the "Battle of the Heroes" fight between Obi-Wan vs Anakin. Episode three  was such a good movie...
 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
January 3, 2006 2:12:25 AM    View the profile of Angel 
what does that have to do with this topic?


 
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  RE: Dark Jedi Dueling Styles
January 6, 2006 10:41:48 AM    View the profile of templar 
A little off topic,but is ir pronounced Ray-pier or Ra-pier? Or rae-per or ra-pper?  Also I agree with episode 3 being good, I almost got arrested that day for assaulting a guy ho cut in line with my two light-sabers, and i cried during the movie, cause of vader. im a softy.
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