"Now we shall see our freedoms slowly dwindle away.  If you aren't white, straight, male, and rich, then you're in trouble" -Anubis

I havent seen Bush pass any racist or sexist laws. As for gay marriage, obviously Bush isn't the ONLY person in the world that is against it. (11 states banned it) So please Anubis, think before you speak again.

"The Patriot Act affected my freedoms. No longer can I take a flight without practically having a body cavity search performed"

I don't know about you heth, but when I was flying to England (across the US, and laying over in NYC) and coming back (laying over in chicago) I felt SAFER that I couldnt get through without a cavity search. Also, I don't really consider being able to walk unchecked through an airport a "freedom" I think you all are mixing "freedoms" with "privileges."

 
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dont forget the gun owners. or the poor, who are getting fired because of his war,
and like they porve by some study Jon Stewerts audience knew more about politics than i think it was CNN's
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Fury, Japheth, Afyon, etc. - I'd do more to back you up here, but the overwhelming dumbness has destroyed my will to live.

And I don't care if Canada wants me or not, I'm still going.
 
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Perhaps since I am anti-abortion (except for certain cases like rape), and not too big a fan of gay marriage OR affirmative action is why I don't see a problem here.

My solutions:

Abortion - Don't be stupid and have unsafe sex....better yet...don't have sex until you want a kid.

Gay Marriage - um...just no.

AA- wrong on so many levels. How is giving a job or college admission to a minority beneficial? All it does is perpetuate minorities using their race as a crutch and an excuse.
 
Oh and Anubis...if you are so radical that you ACTUALLY contemplate violent actions against the government...seek help.

As for your little "blame the roman catholic church" spiel, prostitution is not only a sin, its a crime, remember that. And actually prostitution was declared a sin in the OLD TESTAMENT. Once again, check yourself before you wreck yourself.

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Anubis, you didnt do this. It was bound to happen no matter who did what.

Well unless Tal locked it....
 
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1st  Talon: They are leaving

second i dont think anyone has said anything bad about having a military and if they did they're without a doubt fucking morons; i think the only military action being quetioned around here is iraq, wich has nothing to do with freedom, only greed.

third: the US sucks, it always has sucked and always will suck, if you think i'm going to move becuase of that then, well, thats idiotcy talking, the US sucks alot less than some other countrys, however the point of the US is for the people to be able to bitch and moan about how shitty the country is and for them to maybe decide to change something. thats the entire point, not for us to settle, but to always strive for better.
 
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Tal you have my support.
 
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"Join the Darkside...get a free cookie" - Talon

Yes many people have said that, and then gone on to protest the troops once they were deployed. That is just wrong.

Also, regardless of who gets elected what, the world is still going to be full of people who hate you. Why? History. Something you CANNOT escape. The US has seen itself as owning the world for longer than Bush has ever been alive, and that isn't something that is going to change any time soon. Hell, half my american customers have no idea how to dial outside the country because they have no concept of real "overseas" countries.
 
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If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, hunt it down and kill it.

Wow, lots has been said since I posted.

Pheonix said, "I felt SAFER that I couldnt get through without a cavity search."

Ben Franklin said, "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
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Fury said, "Granted, there are Republicans who aren't racists, suppressors of civil liberties, cowards, and doctors who sterilize women against their will (OK's new senator)."

I say, "I'm sorry America!"
I continue, "Don't blame me, I voted for Carson."
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Pheonix said, "Gay Marriage - um...just no."

I say, "Let people do what they want. We as a society that espouse freedom and liberty as core values do not have the right to restrict same to a group of people based on sexuality."

I've met a lot of gay people since comming to college and count at least one as a very good friend (and one of my pledge brothers in my fraternity). I can't imagine a mindset that would want to oppress that entire portion of the populace just because they happen to like people with the same plumbing.
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Talon said, "Guess what, I'm putting my life on the line so you can live in peace."

I say, "Gogogo!"

I, like many of us, have relitives that are either in the military or are military vets. Further I've had a lot of friends recently enlist and I have a few more that are currently in ROTC and will be out there as soon as their schools give them peices of paper to hang on a wall somewhere. I fully support every soldier out there and wish them the best of everything and all the luck in the world. They perform a service that I feel I could never commit myself to. I value their dedication to me and every other citizen and thank them for it. I also happen to disagree with many of the policies of their Commander in Chief. For those of them in the services that also disagree, I sympathize. Those that -do- agree have a much easier job to perform (no one wants to work for someone they hate).
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Snipes said, "third: the US sucks, it always has sucked and always will suck"

I say, "Fuck you kid. Go home."

The United States, for many of its failings (esspecially as of late) is still a great country to live in. It is quite likely that on a relative world-wide scale you are in the top 10% of people for quality of life simply because you live in this country. Here you have the freedom to, out loud, say what you have posted here and the government can't actually do anything to you (or shouldn't be able to, but thats another issue). While I have joked left and right about moving somewhere else when I get a degree, its all in jest. By the time I get a degree, Bush's term will be half over and I will be happily looking forward to putting some other monkey in office that couldn't possibly make worse policy decisions.
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Matok said, "Amen."

I say, "Ditto."

Though I'm by NO streatch of the imagination a religious person, I agree with Matok that Snipes has, unfortunately, hit the nail on the head with his directions of who he is against. The troops are the bestest 3v4r. Their leader, however, is employing them as a police force for no good reason. The military is not a police force. Its a giant beating win-stick force. You don't use the military to keep the peace in some other country. You use the military to WIN in some other country.
 
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Heth you are still mixing up that waltzing through airport secuirty is a privilege, not a freedom. Personal privacy is all good and fun, but certain precautions need to be taken when your boarding a big-ass moving bomb.
 
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"Join the Darkside...get a free cookie" - Talon

I just read all of your posts and I am realy happy to know some reasons now.
Also I never HATED someone who voted Bush. I like the people who said they voted Bush as much or less I did before.
And for the people who wrote that they voted Bush because Karry is not better: there were also other candidates like Nader....!
And yes - Karry would not have been a great president. But I would never had voted Bush, in the first place, because he never got realy elected by the American people. He cheated on the last elections 4 years ago - and that is PROVED.

Well, anyways - a nice discussion - thank you for your intrest and keep on posting
 
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Well I really don't want to bring in the discussion about why I think that homosexuals shouldn't marry but that is just me.

And Tal I agree with you totally, and for that matter I am soon going to go to a recruiter and look into very deeply the armed forces. I want to join one way or another because I really would like to serve my country and help Bush make this country a nicer to live in.
 
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Stormie said, "there were also other candidates like Nader....!"

In Oklahoma we had only two people on the ballot: Bush and Kerry. It's bass ackwards way of decideing who gets on the ballot means that the only third party candidate to be on an Oklahoma ballot in my lifetime was H. Ross Perot.
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JMac said, "Amazingly, we are fulfilling all three in Iraq.  Go figure."

We shouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place. We wouldn't have to be fufilling the roles you have stated in the event of not ever having invaded a soverign nation.

The following is from this website, the US Army Infantry homepage:

"Thus, American leaders called on their military forces to perform a range of military operations from combat to peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance. Army doctrine changed to reflect this new reality, evolving a whole new category of peace operations. Although the Army had conducted many of these kinds of operations throughout its history, the new doctrine reflected the expectation that, in the future, it would perform them as a matter of course."

This statement implies that peacekeeping was NOT an origonal goal of the US Army, but was instead added later after Presidents repeatedly used them as a world police force. This is not their orignonal or primary purpose. I stand by my statement.
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Phoenix said, "waltzing through airport secuirty is a privilege, not a freedom"

No, its a right. I have the right to my own privacy and to not have some anonymous and questionably motivated security guard ruffle through my things. I have the right to take a goddamn safty razor with me because I want to shave.

I'll agree that a certain amount of security is needed concerning airtravel. I believe we were at a perfectly acceptable level of it before this entire fiasco. While security SHOULD be reliving people of box cutters, guns, and the like, they should not be taking the goddamn pocket knife that my deceased grandfather gave me.

If you believe that the current airport security is NOT impinging on your rights as an American citizen then you are sorely mistaken.
 
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Talon - calm down.
I don't believe that anyone here said a foul word against the military or anyone in it. My problem is not with a specific branch of the military or with any American citizen in the military, but with certain actions of the Commander-in-Chief and others in high-ranking positions. Does that sound hypocritical? Well, perhaps. But it's still the way I feel.
The respect I have for you, and everyone serving in the military (Megadeth, Twin Fury, two of my uncles, two of my cousins), is more than tremendous.
Don't take 1 + 1 and come up with an answer of 3.
And I'm not actually going to move out of the country. How is that going to get anything done?

It seems to me that we're approaching a turning point in history... this is the darkness before the dawn - sometime soon this nation will get swept up in a huge Civil Rights movement again, and I'm all for it.
 
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How do you have a right to privacy?  I would really like to know, because I find that no-where in the constitution, Pheth.  In any case, you give up that right by going to the airport, no-one is sticking a gun to your head and making you take a plane. 

The Florida Recounts were IILEGAL.  That's right, ILLEGAL.  They shouldn't have happened in the first place, they were against the law, but once they occured, and Bush won, the court eventually stopped them, because giving the leader of your country an even bigger air of illegitamacy then his sore-loser opponent already has is not a good thing.  Undermines everything.

Darkness before the dawn?!?  What darkness.  We are in the middle of an economic upswing, rebuilding the middle east (Afganistan had a better voter turnout then we did), so far as I'm concerned, things are going great.  I've never been happier, well, girlfriend breaking up with me aside, I've never been happier.  Life is going great.  Why would we have a huge Civil Rights movement?  Civil Rights are still fine, there is no need for a movement.
 
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