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Fury
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 20, 2003 11:03:31 AM    View the profile of Fury 
I have been getting reports that people are considering leaving the VE because of things that are being said that offend them and can be considered personal attacks.  All this in relation to the conflict currently underway in Iraq. There are a few Lounge Comnet posts that have at times gotten out of control.  I propose we all adhere to the following ground rules: 1.  Keep the superpatriot stuff out of the conversation.  Also, all past actions that do not have a direct and plausible bearing on the current situation absolutely do not apply in this discussion, namely the "who owes whom for what" line of discussion.  I had french fries with my burger at lunch the other day and I had no problem calling them that.  Drop the infantile BS. 2.  I don't care if you have a George Bush doll that you pray to everyday or a stuffed straw man of him you plan to burn at the next anti-war rally you go to.  He is the president of this nation, like it or not, and while you can protest his policies all day long, do not consider him either god or the devil.  Keep your need to exaggerate about him and anything else to a very bare minimum.  You do not help your cause and only go out of your way to offend others views. 3.  Speculation and fear mongering do not help.  Also, if you are going to quote, post a link, try to prove a point to a very radical sourcce, warn others before you go out of your way to offend. 4.  If you do have a thought out view, make sure you can post it in words that do not attack others outright.  Snipe's post is a prime example of this.  Blanket false statements can totally disrupt the nugget of wisdom you may have tried to get across.  5.  The Americans are not all bloodthirsty savages, the British are not our yes-men.  French, Germans, Russians, and whoever opposes war are not all wimps who dislike America.  Keep people's nationality out of it and try to respect other society's cultures.  There has been a lot of it lately, and no one is completely guiltless in this.  Some even choose to attack their own society just to be contrary.  None of it helps. I will try to abide by these as best I can and I certainly hope the rest of you will as well.  I definitely do not want to see anyone leaving the VE because of a personal attack.  Remember, this is a club based on a fictional movie series.  We come here to escape reality, not to let it tear us apart.  If you want to make enemies, go post on the Yahoo forums or something.   ----------------------- PRF/MG Fury/VEA/TADATH/VE [SCP][PoC][SotE:HC][SotE:VEA][IOC] Stormtrooper Corps Prefect Shopkeeper - Imperial Center
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 20, 2003 11:22:59 AM    View the profile of Peacemaker 
well spoken   ----------------------- Evil Clone from Warmaker Nobody argue with you when you aim with an Heavy Blaster Riffle at him Vast Empire Army Executive Officer
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 20, 2003 11:39:51 AM    View the profile of Arturus 
Very well said Fury
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 20, 2003 12:25:22 AM    View the profile of Sheepy 
never relised any of this was happening but yes well said
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 20, 2003 12:56:32 AM    View the profile of Swomz 
okay, I guess...I will keep the French comments down a bit.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 20, 2003 4:06:41 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
How about "Not at all"? Nicely done, Fury.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 20, 2003 4:21:29 PM    View the profile of Kjerri 
thank you fury, I was starting to see alot of it happening in a few posts. Lets keep descussions clean and talk with friends. We are not enemies but friends. If you have something mean to say, yell it out your window, don't type it in your keyboard.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 20, 2003 5:04:12 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Very well spoken.  BTW, if anything I said has been interpreted as such, I would like to take this opportunity to appolgize, it was never my intention to do so.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 20, 2003 8:10:07 PM    View the profile of Rizzit 
Same goes for me. Too much happens on the net due to these personal attacks or misunderstandings. Keep it down to a bare minimum, or preferably not at all. Those responsible for breaking these rules should have to not only answer to there superiors about their actions, but get some kind of punishment from not only their respective SL or SC, but also from someone on High Command!
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 21, 2003 10:00:55 AM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
DEATH TO ALL IOWANS!!! Just kidding.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 23, 2003 3:29:38 PM    View the profile of Drogo 
Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 23, 2003 5:02:07 PM    View the profile of Riel Fury 
Since this isn't America, this is the Empire, Freedom of Speach doesn't exist.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 23, 2003 11:51:37 PM    View the profile of Tycho Celchu 
Say what you want to say, just don't attack a person personally. Seems pretty simple to me, Drogo.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 24, 2003 2:13:33 AM    View the profile of Geist 
I know of a couple of boards where politics and religion are completely banned topics because its easier then dealing with the crap some people just have to toss in. I don't think anyone is asking too much to expect people to act like civilized human beings, but I sometime have the feeling that they're expecting too much when they do.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 24, 2003 8:11:51 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Unfortunately, these are very emotional topics.  I'd say just follow the advice Tycho gave; if someone insults you, don't respond to it, it's only a really bad thing if you respond to it and it bounces back and forth, building.  That said, you should try to refrain from attacking people to begin with.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 24, 2003 10:07:45 AM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
I don't think you can say "You can't say something to someone in the Lounge". If people want to be immature, insensitive, ignorant, idiots - whatever - let them. Just don't respond back. It seems to me to be a little too ... much ... to tell someone, "Because you're under my command in our online Army, you can't express your opinions in the open Lounge". You know?
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 24, 2003 10:15:56 AM    View the profile of Rizzit 
Well DH, it is all good advice and all. I have read the particular thread being addressed here and it is quite difficult to just "ignore" the things being said there. I personally back Fury 100% on this, and I think you should too. The comments made are brutal, and they are things that should be either kept to yourselves or to a PM or IM. Everyone can view the comnet, so it DEFINATELY should not be seen here. I find it amazing that the people that are complaining, are the people that would be most apt to go "attacking" someone!
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 24, 2003 12:52:30 AM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
Still ... even if this is an Empire, I think the Lounge should be a place for freedom of expression. I'm not encouraging personal attacks at ALL - don't get me wrong. That's idiocy. But unless they violate the CoC, then there isn't really much you can do. If you have a problem with something the person said, speak to them about it on IRC or through e-mail. But ordering someone not to speak his/her mind? Uh-huh. I will definitely adhere to some of Fury's suggestions, but they shouldn't be touted as some kind of "rules". I mean, really - if someone has a problem with France, do you honestly think it is 100% right to tell him that he can't have a problem with France just because you don't?
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 25, 2003 1:23:35 AM    View the profile of TK-112 
Well Spoken Sir, Too bad i'm not able to make a short speech like the others.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 25, 2003 6:51:50 AM    View the profile of Bear 
Recently, an Islamic preacher was arrested, tried and imprisoned for "inciting racial hatred" in the UK. He's got something in the region of 10 years in prison. Some of the comments I've seen about the French (in particular), are actually breaking the law. "French people are scum who don't deserve to live" I'm not quite sure that Private John Doe, KIA 1944, was fighting to protect our right to say that.
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 25, 2003 8:15:42 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
No, but saying France should die is a lot worse than attacking their history of warfare (which honestly hasn't been that bad, it's just that Germany has been that good).  I'm not sure where I stand, both sides have a pretty good argument here, and it'll be interesting to see who converts the other first 
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 26, 2003 10:16:33 AM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
Maybe it's a crime to say that in France, but I'm not so sure it would be here in the States, Bear. I mean, if you could get arrested for saying something abd about someone, I think 99% of us would be in jail. Probably for things we said about our own parents or friends. I mean, that is definitely a horrible thing to say, but it's no crime. It's just someone's delusional and misguided opinion.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 26, 2003 10:54:58 AM    View the profile of Bear 
Like I (tried to) pointed out, the Islamic preacher was imprisoned because he said that Americans should die. I would have thought that would be a crime in every "free" country.
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 26, 2003 12:10:09 AM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
You've never wished that someone you knew would die? I mean, I've wished I was dead before. Does that make me a criminal?
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 26, 2003 1:04:40 PM    View the profile of Rizzit 
YUP!
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 26, 2003 5:35:46 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
You're missing the point DH.  You don't stand in front of a crowd and tell them to go kill people, that is illegal.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 26, 2003 8:57:10 PM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
So the coalition commanders who are ordering the allied troops to go kill Iraqi soldiers are all criminals, eh? The Marines should just sit there and let the Republican Guard shoot them - you know, defy orders. I mean, their orders are to kill, right? ... You all have got to realize that there are no absolute truths in this world. All I'm asking is that you try to look at all sides of every issue and to keep an open mind. I think we all know that some complete assholes slip into this club from time to time. And I know that some very, very cruel and just plain flat out stupid things have been said. And it f'n pisses me off, too. All I'm trying to do is be a voice of reason ... mostly because I'd hate to see someone be afraid to speak his/her mind. That is a crime.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 27, 2003 9:31:02 AM    View the profile of Fury 
Funny how even this thread became a debate session. Okay, there is a difference between targeting opposing forces in a conflict area and calling for wiping out another nation's population by a non-military person.  For that matter, I know genocide is the act of wiping out a racial group, but what would be the term for atttempting to wipe out a particular country's population? In any case, there is a difference between speaking your mind and going out of your way to assault another person's point of view.  All anyone is being asked to do is think.  Before clicking submit, read what you have typed.  If it looks like it is a personal attack on someone, delete the offending phrases or just the whole post.  You are all capable of attending school, having a job, and are - or will be - given permission to operate a motor vehicle and vote.  While not all of these tasks require thought apparently, they DO imply that you should think being performing any of them.  So does posting on this little Comnet of ours. Just try to think.  That is the basis of any discussion.
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 27, 2003 10:25:29 AM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
That's all I'm asking, too, Fury. It's become obvious to me over the past year and a half that we are all very stubborn. Who knows if anything we say will ever sway anyone's opinion one way or another? The only reason I even replied is that I didn't want to see the Lounge turned into some kind of militarized board where freedom of expression turned into ... well, something else. I do agree with all of your suggestions, to a certain extent. And I will do my utmost to try to ensure that I avoid blanket statements in the future, or anything that could be deemed personally offensive. We can only hope that everyone else does the same. *salutes*
 
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  RE: Stop the personal attacks
March 29, 2003 2:42:27 PM    View the profile of MegaDeth 
man, French girls are HOT!!!!! how can someone not like a nation that breeds those hottie little romantic things?!!! anyways, I hope that we all get along, like we should in the first place. Anyways, get your shtuff straight VE, I'll be back in around 9 months, and if its not straight, I WILL STRAIGHTEN IT FOR YOU!!!!!  :P bye everyone
 
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