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January 29, 2003
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What is your favorite one? Clone Wars or Phantomenus?  |
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January 30, 2003
3:20:27 AM
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January 30, 2003
10:37:21 AM
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Clone Wars, by a long shot, Phantom sucked compared to the rest of them. If we were to say which was my favorite out of all 5 so far, not just the prequels in the Old Republic, then I'd have to say Jedi or Empire: Jedi was action packed, and Empire had the great mentoring mind of Yoda explaining the Jedi Way. -----------------------
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RE: Star Wars.
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January 30, 2003
11:19:18 AM
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Attack of the Clones had some cool stuff going on with Obi-Wan, but the sappy romantic plot and the rip-off fights at the end (Obi-Wan - Dooku, Jango - Mace, Anakin - Dooku) AND the craptasticness of little Boba Fett make me cast my vote for The Phantom Menace.
 EGADS! Whatsa mesa saying??
Well, for one thing, I liked Qui-Gon Jinn. Secondly, Darth Maul was just awesome. You can complain all you want about JarJar, but he's really not that bad. My only big problems with Numero Uno are the suckiness of little Anakin and the entire midi-chlorian account. That was just a bad move on Lucas.
So there you go. TPM wins out over AOTC only because the end lightsabre scene in I was better than anything in II, even the cool Force fight between Yoda and Dooku (ruined horribly by the stupid fly-around fight afterwards). -----------------------
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January 30, 2003
12:41:44 AM
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Hated PM so much I didn't see AOTC, but loved Jedi! -----------------------
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January 31, 2003
6:08:04 PM
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Reporter: Cos Mic, which movie do you prefer? Clone Wars or The Phantom Menace?
Cos: I liked the Clone Wars way better than ep. 1.
Mic: Same here. Clone Wars just rocked.
Reporter: And there you have it. -----------------------
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February 4, 2003
1:48:35 PM
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I'm of the mind that in reality, both of them sucked. Each time I watch them, they get worse in worse, when good movies tend to get either better or stay the same after each viewing.
That being said...
Lord of the Rings beats both of their asses. -----------------------
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February 4, 2003
3:01:15 PM
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I must agree with DH that episode one was better. Yes Jar Jar and little Ani sucked, and midi chlorians? WTF!?!?! But anyway Qui gon was a good character and I enjoyed seeing Obi Wan 'come of age' so to speak. Also The lightsabre fight at the end of mentace will be hard to surpass as my all time favorite. First of all the mood music, Duel of the Fates, is incredible. Second When Maul ignites the second blade of his sabre it's just cool. Third the moves are quick and acrobatic unlike most of the fights in the original trilogy, but not absurdly fast like Ep. II. Lastly when Qui Gon dies and Obi Wan gets pissed and goes postal on Maul, well let's just say there is a reason that Dooku talks about how Yoda spoke so highly of Obi Wan's sabre skills. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy seeing Yoda beat down on Dooku, I'm just saying that all it was was a bunch of flips and Yoda bouncing off the walls. I'm not sure their sabres even touched more than once or twice during the whole fight. As for my favorite star wars ever, it's empire by a long shot, and Riel, don't compare LOTR to star wars. I think we can all agree that Tolkien is on a slightly higher plane than Lucas when it comes to writing, and since it's the writing that goes on the screen, for the most part, LOTR is simply in a higher class. -----------------------
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February 4, 2003
5:01:17 PM
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I thought it was an appropriate comparison. Considering Star Wars is considered by most as being the epitome of Sci-Fi, and Tolkien is considered the Father of Fantasy, comparing the two heads of the sci-fi/fantasy genre seemed like a natural thing. Call me crazy. -----------------------
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February 4, 2003
6:24:13 PM
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February 7, 2003
6:56:22 PM
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Yep, you are. And so is everyone else on this planet. -----------------------
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February 8, 2003
3:09:07 PM
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"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!" Aren't those t-shirts great? -----------------------
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February 9, 2003
9:07:04 PM
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You know, I need to put that in my signature quotes... Anyways, liked AOTC better (even though I agree Qui-Gon was a cool character) because it had better graphics. My philosophy is simple, if I want a plot I'll read a book, but when I go to the movies I want to be moved by the picture, plot is extra  -----------------------
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February 12, 2003
2:40:47 PM
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A movie without a plot just suck pballs. -----------------------
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February 12, 2003
5:10:22 PM
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Nah, I'm a visual person when it comes to movies. Must come from reading too many books that I don't mind the lack of a plot  -----------------------
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RE: Star Wars.
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February 13, 2003
1:38:11 PM
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Considering much of the animation and graphics of Ep2 were not as detailed as some movies, both were disappointing. Ep2 did have its ups and downs as did Phantom (although that had more downs then anything else :P). I would have to say Episode 2 was better because it had a better plot, it showed the army, and it gave more worlds then the other movies as well as show some of coruscant, which was a huge plus.
What EP3 needs is a strong sense of realism in its graphics, say Lord of the Rings, which did a great job. Star Wars is suppost to be the movie that is the amazing in detail, lets hope Ep3 will do this next time. (and hopefully add many good active battlescenes so we can see all the glipses of the Imperial navy and army at work.)
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February 13, 2003
7:25:37 PM
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Yes! So we can watch our comrades at work!
Say, does anyone else have a REALLY OLD version of TIE Fighter? If so, did it come with The Stele Chronicles? -----------------------
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RE: Star Wars.
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February 13, 2003
8:16:33 PM
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Yup, had the Stele Chronicles, read them about a hundred times, and proceeded to lose them a few years ago  Anyways, I agree that Ep3 needs to be more real, however Lord of the Rings is not an accurate comparison, they only have to do Orcs, Humans, Dwarves, and Elves. SW has to put together thousands of species meaning that they can't just do one super detailed model of each, it would take them years. Anyways, my only hope is for a complete account of the Clone Wars, nothing could be better than that.
BTW, anyone notice the parallels between Bush and Palpatine's rise to power?
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February 13, 2003
9:57:41 PM
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Yeah, but Lieberman looks more like Palpatine.
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February 14, 2003
9:59:52 AM
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Oh yeah, that's right. Go Joe!
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February 14, 2003
11:59:35 AM
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[shakes his head]
No. I don't.
Your comparison between Bush and Palpatine could work equally well (or rather poorly) for Roosevelt (World War II), Woodrow Wilson (World War I), Abraham Lincoln (Civil War), James Madison (War of 1812)...
People caught up in a crisis of somebody else's making.
Palpatine, on the other hand, mounted a vast conspiracy to sieze total control of his nation. Big difference there.
At any rate, is a thread about star wars movies really the place to grind axes about Dubya?
Oh yeah, the Phantom Menace for me. The big battle at the end of Attack of The Clones was cool and all, but it just didn't make up for all the romance that got crammed in. The movie was practically a chick flick. -----------------------
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February 14, 2003
5:10:05 PM
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Yeah, but that's what the fast forward button is for
Personally, the droid army wasn't nearly as cool as the clones, they definitely made the movie 
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February 14, 2003
6:34:07 PM
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But here's the thing, Iraq doesn't need attacked because of the inspections (or lack there of), but because it went AGAINST the UN. The UN laid down a resolution, Iraq disobeyed it, and now needs to be punished.
Here's an easy example.
Iraq is a little kid who stole a cookie. Should the parent go crazy searching the jar, to find which cookie was taken? No, the child needs diciplined (spanked, sent to its room, etc). So should Saddam be punished for disobeying the UN. -----------------------
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February 14, 2003
7:59:34 PM
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Oh yeah, just to set the record straight with Geist, the only reason I compared Bush with Palpatine is that I heard the same comment given by Lucas in an interview. If I could remember where, I'd tell you, but that's the origin of it.
As to Chipmunk, you haven't been here very long, so I'll let you know straight out that I like to debate and that I have very liberal leanings. That being said, let's get to it
First off, Iraq is nothing like a child with his hands in the cookie jar, they haven't even put up real proof that Iraq still has those weapons (the closest they've gotten so far is some shells that could have been empty for years and some missles that, first off, the Iraqis themselves pointed out, and second off, only exceed the designated range limits because they were fired without anything but the engine and the shell).
Now, do you punish a child when you have no proof that they stole the cookie? No.
Anyways, the child in the cookie jar analogy isn't very solid since everyone will agree (at least at the table) that every nation is entitled to their sovereignty. This attack would be a breach of Iraq's sovereignty and could be used to terrible advantage by other nations (i.e. Russia in Chechnya, and China in Taiwan).
Always remember, we don't operate in a vacuum, and nothing is ever black and white.
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February 14, 2003
11:50:13 PM
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Okay, try this one....
I steal a car with a baby in the backseat.
A lot of people witnessed the carjacking and video tape proves that the baby was in the car.
I put the car in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico and sell the baby to white slave traders in New Mexico.
You can't find the car. You will never find the baby.
Do I go to prison for a long damn time if I get caught?
HELL YEAH!
Absence of the proof of a crime does not negate the crime from ever happening. If Iraq had this stuff before and can't prove where it all magically disappeared to, then yes, there is definitely a problem.
As for sovereignty, we used to call places like Iraq rogue states. They don't seem very interested in following the normally established dictates of the rule of law and don't seem really interested in justifying their existence with elections (I mean, even the Soviets allowed people to run against the Party). You are gonna have to do a whole lot more to prove that a) Iraq is what someone would call a sovereign entity, and b) that their right to sovereignty in their current state is something their neighbors are all chipper and happy about.
If it wasn't the US trying to kick down Saddam's doors, I'd guarantee the Kuwaitis and Saudis would have eventually started crying foul eventually...and they'd get a whole lot more interested reception from all those nations currently worried about American "hegemony".
I'm not a full-on pro-war hawk, but geez, you have got to be some kind of idiot to pretend that a few dozen inspectors receiving zero help from the locals is a perfect solution to a sordid problem like this one. I doubt bombing people back to the 12th century is either, but at least we'd have free and unfettered access to the buildings around any craters we may have created. -----------------------
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February 15, 2003
1:02:39 AM
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First I would like to point out that if Lucas said that, he is a ninny. What do you expect from a guy that wanted to put a boy band into ep 2?
(No, I'm not going to forgive him for almost doing that)
The comparison is invalid and meaningless, akin to comparing fictional apples to real life oranges.
I will never take the political opinions of celebrities seriously. They DO NOT know more than I do just because they make movies and drive cars that cost more than I make in a year (which, admittedly, isn't necessarily all that impressive considering my continued unemployement).
As for my opinions of the whole Iraq thing...
Is Hussein a bad man? Yup.
Did he use weapons of mass destruction against his own people? Hai.
Did he mount an agressive invasion of a sovereign state? Yeah.
Is he a dictator running a repressive regime? You betcha.
Does he have chemical weapons? Probably.
Is that the point? No.
I don't care if Sadam has chemical weapons or not. I'm afraid I'm stuck on the whole bad man who does bad things. My humanities teacher would be horrified to know I'm using her lessons in this way (uber pacifist), but she always told her students that when you see someone doing wrong, you stop it.
Hussein is a man who has proven himself unfit to stand among the leaders of the world. A man who cares nothing but for his own petty power. Knock him down and be done with it. -----------------------
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February 15, 2003
7:47:31 AM
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Also, it's not an "if" as to whether or not Saddam has chem weapons. The inspectors found artillery shells filled with mustard gas. Yeah, that's right, mustard gas! And as Geist said, it is well documented that Saddam used chem weapons on his own people. His OWN PEOPLE! Is that really someone we want running a country?! -----------------------
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February 15, 2003
4:19:22 PM
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Ummm... Mustard gas? You may want to check again. The report said that those shells were empty but had at one time (indeterminate) been used for mustard gas.
Anyways, the whole idea of war in the first place is just stupid, the people making the decision are never those who would be on the ground dying. In fact, I have to say that the best way to deal with this would be to simply enforce a non-country policy against those states that didn't cooperate with the UN.
No matter what you believe, most religions (despite what evangalists will tell you) have it built into their moral systems that you cannot force upon someone something they have not agreed to. You can, however, let passive resistance take its toll, it may take longer, but it's a better solution than giving a madman an excuse to launch chemical, biological, and possibly nuclear weapons.
The idea is this, establish regular patrols around the border, nothing gets in or out from the UN nations of Iraq. Allow them free trade with everyone else in the same position (North Korea and Cuba...) becuase that won't really help them anyways and it would go against the original condition, and let them stew in their own country. Eventually, you'd have a revolution, because the leader could no longer say "we need to stick together to fight the invading Americans" because we're not invading, and they would realize that the leader is the problem.
If we go in there and kill him, we make him a martyr, and that's not a good idea.
Also, in response to Chipmunk, if we attacked Iraq for that reason, we'd also have to kill Israel, they've broken nearly as many UN resolutions.
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February 15, 2003
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That's a very idealistic response, of course it doesn't adress the fact that madmen, especially agressor madmen, very rarely need a reason to do anything, like launch attacks against their neighbors.
It also doesn't solve the problem of all the suffering the people of a "non-country" will go through while we wait for them to settle matters themselves. You would be amazed how much people can delude themselves into thinking that their life isn't that bad.
Far better to deal with the problem swiftly and finally.
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So is agression, and I'd prefer the ideal that leads to a better world to live in, thank you very much
No matter how you put it, any war we wage on Iraq (if he actually has these weapons or not) is going to result in massive consequences, but in going to war, we extend those consequences outside of Iraq instead of localizing them.
In addition, we set the precedent for removing the leader of a country that's weaker than yours if you don't like them. It sets a bad example for countries like China and Russia who have similar situations much closer to home.
Once again, the idea from Spider Man pans out here "great power comes with great responsibility". Our responsibility is to set an example for the rest of the world to follow, and we can't expect any nation to follow us when we say "peace" if our first answer to any situation like this is war.
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