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Raziel
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  Force Powers
May 25, 2013 2:22:33 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Force Powers

Based on a well balanced Jedi who spends their time studying all aspects equally. For example, Raziel has no telekinesis. Initially he focused on illusions and was more powerful than other trainees. As a qualified dark Jedi his perceptions (foresight and enpathy) have become his dominant abilities, and he heavily trains with his sabers to make up for his lack of offensive Force powers

Hopefully this is a useful guide without being overly prescriptive.

Telekinesis
Knight could throw one to a few people to the ground with the Force.

A Templar would be able to hold someone in the air and then have the skills to crush their throat with the Force.

A Master can lift and hurl huge objects, or manipulate the inner working of a micro device.

Lightning

A Knight has no ability to use Force Lightning

A Templar could throw a few sparks that could potentially incapacitate someone for a few moments.

A Master can control sustained and lethal bursts of lightning

Foresight

A Knight has a vague sense of danger through foresight.

A Templar can not only discern the source and nature of danger about to happen, but can get a vague sense of important events in the future.

A Master can follow others paths into the future. With enough practise and time they can even predict the affect of taking certain actions on the future.

Mind reading

A Knight can skim surface thoughts, particularly emotions from the untrained. With time they can pull out deeper thoughts and memories.

A Templar can dig into people's thoughts more easily and attack the defences of a trained and strong willed mind.

A Master can break down the defences of a powerful Jedi given time.

Mind Tricks

A Jedi Knight can conjure simple illusions and convince an untrained individual of an easily swallowed fact. With time they can more subtly alter perceptions and plant thoughts and feelings.

A Jedi Templar is able to completely change someone's feelings or opinions on a matter. They can hide themselves from someone's perceptions.

A Master is able to utterly dominate the mind of a weak willed individual with time.

Sabers

A Knight is competent with a single saber. They can defend themselves from blaster bolts from several directions and deflect some bolts back at their attackers. Concerted fire from a whole squad of troopers could easily overwhelm their defences.

A Templar can train with more advanced weaponry: light staffs, multiple sabers, whips. It would take a torrent of blaster fire to bring them down. A Templar could hold off two Knights, but would need particular circumstance in their favour to defeat them.

A Master will have years of combat experience. They will be a master duellist able to hold their own against several Jedi at once.
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  RE: Force Powers
May 27, 2013 12:39:56 AM    View the profile of Kami 
Not really a lot of discussion regarding the above. Does everyone understand the broad categories that Raz has outlined?

I know that this will require some of you to reexamine your character's capabilities with the Force. What I will say on top of what Raziel has already said is this:

You can have a great strength as long as you also have a great weakness.

If you want to have a character who is relatively adept across the board at everything that's your choice. But if you have an urge to pursue a power outlined above, or a power of your own making (see Havvie's capacity to influence machines, Val's absorption of energy etc) you must ensure that your character suffers elsewhere as a result.

You'll find that most of you are doing this anyways. For example, Jegora has always highlighted his lack of experience in the mental arts, but as a result he is an unusually powerful warrior. Raziel has his foresight and his skill with sabers, but struggles to utilise telekinesis. Kami can influence the minds of others and employs telekinesis frequently but is a relatively poor fighter, cannot summon lightning and collapses completely where ysalamiri are concerned.

Emphasising your character's weaknesses does not make them a terrible Jedi, it makes them an interesting Jedi.

If you're ever concerned about where you're taking your character, or just want to have a chat about potential powers etc, this is a thread where you can do it. Alternatively brainstorming in #VEDJ is always a fun and constructive way to get feedback!
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  RE: Force Powers
May 27, 2013 5:17:33 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
You'll notice I've deliberately left out any peculiar powers on there. They normally require some discussion and planning!
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  RE: Force Powers
May 27, 2013 5:50:55 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
Seems pretty clear.

My "Lucid Body Technique" thing is an attempt to keep options open for Trykon, in terms of powers, while still retaining that balance.  The idea is that by using the Technique, he can "unlock" a Force power temporarily that doesn't "come naturally" to him, but the trade-off is that every use destroys part of his sanity/soul, irreversibly, and carries certain risks besides (outlined below).  Needless to say, he won't be doing that if he can help it.

And so, the vast majority of the time, that leaves him with what does "come naturally" for him.  In order from above-average to below-average, that would be: Foresight and intuition; Mind Tricks; Mind Reading; Saber work, in which he's about average for his rank in terms of deflecting blaster bolts, but below-average in terms of everything else lightsaber-related; Telekinesis; and Lightning.

And then I should probably mention the weird thing that happened on Copperline, where he laid his hands on an enemy and burned the crap out of them.  That's not a controllable ability, so much as a manifestation of "Dark Side Trykon."  What I mean by that is if Trykon uses the Lucid Body Technique too much - or if he loses control of the process when he's midway through an instance of using the LBT - he will become a sort of hollowed-out vessel, open to the raw Dark Side.  In essence, the Lucid Body, if done too much or improperly, could leave Trykon as "tainted" an "abomination" as any of the Reborn.  And that version of Trykon - the Reborn-style husk of a man, used as a puppet by the Dark Side itself - would be a psychotic pyromaniac, without any of the personality traits that make Trick, Trick.  He's caught glimpses of that possible future, and I don't know if I can describe the depth of his existential terror, when he thinks about it.

The ways in which those strengths and weaknesses interact are definitely part of what I find interesting about writing Trykon (and hopefully it makes my posts interesting to read, too).  And I hope too that the added dimension of having the Lucid Body Technique available to him adds to the possibilities and the stakes of my posts.
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  RE: Force Powers
May 27, 2013 6:45:44 AM    View the profile of Kami 
I think you've done a really great job so far Tryk. There's always a cause and effect when you use the Lucid Body which prevents it from being unattainable or overpowered in any sense.

I can relate with what I'm doing with Kami. Each and every time she uses her powers to delve into/alter the landscape of someone's mind she loses a part of herself and attains part of the essence of those she kills or mentally maims.

This is not to suggest that everyone needs to pursue a similar path, indeed being great with sabers doesn't really have an discernible effect other than making a character great with a saber.
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  RE: Force Powers
May 27, 2013 8:21:29 AM    View the profile of Aeos 
It's quite an interesting technique Tryk, but it sounds like your character would be spent before he turns 35. How would Tryk's personality temper this? I don't know enough of your character yet, so excuse the ignorant questions, but how would he control the lure of that power? It must be quite addicting despite knowing the outcomes of too much use.

The same as smoking(excuse the crude comparison) but you know it will kill you, but continue anyway.

I'm gonna slap down some concepts I've been working with as well if we're discussing this The following are just concepts of where I want Aeos to head eventually, her use of any of these currently are limited and she's only beginning to explore the techniques.

A Force power I'm looking for her to specialise in is the manipulation of senses. She either enhances or disconnects a sense. E.g Manipulation of depth of field causing someone to block earlier than he should have because he perceived the attacker to be closer. This is ideal to use in battle.
She struggles in saber combat, which is why she would use the above to even the playing field. Very dirty in a way. Taking away someone's hearing, sight or even strength for a second to gain the gap to strike back.

Further development way down the line:
The same would apply in terms mentality and emotions. She would turn someone confidence into over confidence or lack thereof resulting in errors on the person's behalf. This is best used over extended periods of time and would be difficult to use in battle as it requires more control and effort than the previous one. This could change the outcome of alliances forged, broken etc.


For me, one of my character's greatest weaknesses is her lack of ambition and drive. She's quite passive for a DJK, and while she's a spirited person in her own way she would never seek for power. I believe that through that sentiment she very much averages herself.

Edit: I probably should have added, with this technique of above, Ae can't create new information. She can only use what already exists. The only way she can create new information is to manipulate the subject's actions to plant the thought. So she cant plant thoughts, ideas or memories. E.g Cant fill a subject with fear if he doesn't feel fear unless she creates the circumstances for him to feel it which takes time.

I'm still trying to find the balance in terms of what is stronger, what is weaker, but would love to hear whether the above concept is too over conceptualised or could be steered into a different direction or is fine as it is.

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  RE: Force Powers
May 27, 2013 10:43:30 AM    View the profile of Skarr 
I've always had the image in my head of Vexus being rather exceptional at telekinesis. I've also been toying around with the idea of giving Vexus the ability of psychometry. It would start out as more of an instinct ability before he learns how to start controlling it. As a result, however, Vexus loses nearly all skill in mentally affecting others. He can receive telepathic messages, but cannot send them. He'll be able to glean emotions off of people, but nothing else. He's unable to affect minds or perform the Jedi mind trick.
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  RE: Force Powers
May 27, 2013 1:42:42 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
Jeg smash. Rawr.
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May 27, 2013 2:32:21 PM    View the profile of Garryll Gates 
Garryll also smash. Be intimidated.

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May 27, 2013 2:42:16 PM    View the profile of Aeos 
Siths, such savages :P

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May 27, 2013 2:46:07 PM    View the profile of Raziel 
Skarr wrote:I've always had the image in my head of Vexus being rather exceptional at telekinesis. I've also been toying around with the idea of giving Vexus the ability of psychometry. It would start out as more of an instinct ability before he learns how to start controlling it. As a result, however, Vexus loses nearly all skill in mentally affecting others. He can receive telepathic messages, but cannot send them. He'll be able to glean emotions off of people, but nothing else. He's unable to affect minds or perform the Jedi mind trick.

You'll have to explain in more detail what you mean by psychometry?

Any Jedi can use their senses to perceive their surroundings and read thoughts/emotions.
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May 27, 2013 3:26:14 PM    View the profile of Valthir 
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May 27, 2013 3:36:06 PM    View the profile of Raziel 
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May 27, 2013 5:41:36 PM    View the profile of Skarr 
Well, Val pretty much covered it, haha. I just found it to be an interesting and useful power that no one has displayed from what I've seen. It doesn't really have any practical uses in battle, but we're not always fighting. Of course, I can always scrap the psychometry deal if it doesn't work with you, Raz.
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May 27, 2013 6:18:03 PM    View the profile of Kami 
Oh yes. I don't think you'd have to limit yourself to not being able to send telepathic messages (a relatively crucial power) just by having psychometry capabilities. Its uses are rather limited.
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May 27, 2013 6:33:00 PM    View the profile of Skarr 
Haha, my original idea was crazier, Kami. I had the idea that he couldn't perform telepathy because he couldn't really relate to anyone and his disgust for other people prevents him from being able to connect with anyone mentally.
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May 28, 2013 2:30:05 AM    View the profile of Kami 
Yeah that makes less sense. In terms of not being able to relate with anyone there's two fellow Kuati DJO members (Tryk and Kami) and even if the use of a certain power disgusts him that doesn't translate to him being unable to use it. He'd likely just use it less frequently. As Raz pointed out, all Jedi can use their senses to read other's thoughts/emotions, it's just part of the natural growth that comes with learning how to use the Force.

I'm interested to see what you'll do with psychometry. I seem to recall someone else doing something along those lines...was it you Havvie? Or Ae? Either way it doesn't seem to be in use at present.
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May 28, 2013 2:36:28 AM    View the profile of Kami 
Actually...leading on from that, we should all play with the Kuati heritage thing a bit. Tryk was originally Telbun, which would likely piss Vexus off to no end, and Kami was from a middle-class military family.

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May 28, 2013 2:47:04 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
PILLOW FIGHT!!!

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This is perhaps not the thread for it, but we Kuatis should definitely talk!  In fact, I'm starting another thread right now! 
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May 28, 2013 3:08:39 AM    View the profile of Skarr 
Told you it was a crazy idea. But yeah, I could see him just using it as infrequently as possible. He'd probably just keep an eye out on people's surface emotions more than anything.
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  RE: Force Powers
May 28, 2013 5:04:02 PM    View the profile of Aeos 
Managed to get my hands on a digital copy of Book of the Sith, so will be evaluating my approach. Some interesting stuff in there

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