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  RE: A Personal Request
September 17, 2001 5:20:40 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Greetings leaders of the VEDJ.  I have come to ask something very serious.  Currently, my dad has been trying to check if the Vast Empire is a good club to be in.  He doesn't like Role Playing Games, stuff with evil magic and things.  I know that part of our VEDJ has a system that has Cults and Sects.  I am requesting that the words Cult and Sect be changed.  If it isn't, and if my dad sees them, I know I will be forced to resign from the VE itself.  So, please take this into consideration.  And any words containing: Cult, Dark Lord, Sect, and maybe even Cabult would definately mess up things in email. So please, if you can, change those names. I know it's a big change and probably hasn't happened before. I know that you don't have to do it, but like I said, if my dad sees it, he will surely take me out of the VE. ---------------- Journeyman Cosmic
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September 20, 2001 6:57:27 PM    View the profile of Talon 
I'm sorry to hear that, but those things (most of them at the very least) cannot be changed.. Let's just hope he doesn't see the DJO -Tal
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September 20, 2001 9:59:52 PM    View the profile of Majere 
Ask him to read the definitions of those words and if he has any questions have him contact me personally (no I wont act like a jerk - i will speak to him professionally).  We have many christians in the Vast Empire who understand that this is just a game.  Cult, Cabbel, Dark Lord, etc etc is just a name with a definition.  We do not use them in the same text as bigots.  Its like saying all Afganistani's are terrorists when only a couple of specific individuals that happen to live in that country are causing all of the problems.
 
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  RE: A Personal Request
September 20, 2001 10:19:18 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
I understand, but it won't make a difference...I know.  Cult is Cult to him.  That is all. ------------------- Adept Cosmic
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  RE: A Personal Request
September 26, 2001 2:52:00 PM    View the profile of Stormtrooper 1026 
mm........hope cos he wont see it...havent you told him about star wars? the force is a big cult - doesnt he allow you to watch star wars?
 
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October 12, 2001 11:37:32 PM    View the profile of Master 
I agreeing with Cosmic, im not in the Dark Jedi Order and im not gunna be, no offense but ill never be, but Cult, Cabbel, and Sect are words that dont need to be used, use another word, it doesnt matter how responsible it is used but look back on the history of cults and sects, its not pretty and i can see why Cosmic's Father might not be happy, ifi had kids and i didnt know what it was all about then i prob would check it out before i let them join. I dont think Dark Lord is bad however it is used throughout the SW Movies however u dont see Cult, Cabbel or Sect in any of them do you. So you got my vote Cosmic. ------------------------------ ***Master*** Fallen Angels Terrorist Pilot  And most of all Worshipped Among Women on every planet in the known universe.
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October 13, 2001 12:53:34 AM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
I agree with Master.  So does Geist... and Daishi... heck, the whole FA agrees with Master    We refuse to join the Dark Side, even in fiction.  If you would just drop the Dark from the name and all the evil stuff from the group, us FA Jedi would probably join.  I mean, come on, Darth Maul was my favorite character in the SW movies, but you don't see me devoting myself to evil.  Lighten up the group a bit, and you won't scare away everyone who looks at you...
 
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October 14, 2001 6:53:04 AM    View the profile of Master 
That really wasent what i was on about, but i agree with what Viper said too, i was more intrested in the used of those words, but yea Dark Jedi isnt the best thing to follow anyway, we not teach both Light and Dark or something, i dont know. Theres my 2 cents.
 
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  RE: A Personal Request
October 14, 2001 1:14:03 PM    View the profile of Talon 
*shakes his head* Don't hold your breath =cÞ Wait.. on second though, you do that.
 
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  RE: A Personal Request
October 15, 2001 1:21:04 AM    View the profile of Anakin 
The idea here is not a moral issue on right or wrong names for VEDJ members. We play a role...the role and names of our groups match those described in actual Star Wars books, therefore thats what we use.  I'm highly against changing the names of the groups, I admit they do sound bad, but thats the role we're playing... We are Dark Jedi, devoted to evil...need I say more
 
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  RE: A Personal Request
October 15, 2001 6:52:22 PM    View the profile of Talon 
Exactly.. Although you might want to remember to change your name next time. -Tal
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  RE: A Personal Request
October 16, 2001 5:27:53 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
We're not debating your right to be evil.  Heck, look at the FA(actaully, now that I think about it, we're really not that evil, we've got decent morals, we just do the good things in a psychotic way...).  What we're contesting is your insistance that everyone who joins has to be evil.  The FA would sincerely like to join a Jedi group, but we refuse to join the dark side, or evil, or whatever.  Go ahead, keep the Sith and Krath, just start up another group for those who prefer Jedi, would that really be all that hard? 
 
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October 16, 2001 6:02:29 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Yes it would be, actually.  Jedi, in StarWars, are meant to be a symbol of Peace.  The Imperials are a symbol of Discipline, Order, and Power, which are obviously not the philosophies of the Jedi.  If we added a Light Jedi Order, there would be continuous conflicts between the two Orders, which would eventually lead to the destruction of one or the other.   ----------------------- CoT/SL/CPT Cosmic/3SQD/1PLT/1COMP/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE [OPE][OTH][OPA][IH][CDS][IOC] CM/DJK Cosmic/Lion 1-3/mSSD Atrus/VEDJ/VE [VP]  
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October 16, 2001 10:15:22 PM    View the profile of Talon 
Well spoken Cos -Tal
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October 16, 2001 11:41:22 PM    View the profile of LoneWolf 
for those of u who are dark jedi u must look into the names lucas gave that they dont call Darth Vader "Dark Father" (i think thats the latin translation) so i have a compromise if u insist to add "Dark" to ur Name use "Darth" instead it basically means the same thing sounds mostly the same and if u insist on a star wars explaination the sith were and will always be more powerful than dark jedi though it seems cooler the dark jedi often have philosfical difference or mental promblems trying to escape theyr old selves (plus they never said "im dark soandso") i agree to change those words that cosmic has a promblem with. 
 
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October 17, 2001 1:04:51 AM    View the profile of Anakin 
lol...that has almost nothing to do with the words he's talking about...but thats ok
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October 17, 2001 11:19:37 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
bah i hate it when people take religion too far we had some christians come to a simple rock concert i went to and started preaching about us being evil or something? oh well
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October 17, 2001 3:23:12 PM    View the profile of Spartacus 
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October 17, 2001 5:38:12 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
Comon Raz, you think I'm religious?  Have you lost your mind?    But the FA has a simple code regarding the force: No dark, no matter the circumstances.  We aren't going to give up our sabers and abilities just cause some people in the VEDJ complain(we probly have a longer history too), so you might as well get used to us.  Besides, the Jedi and Sith are not as incompatable as you might think, the only reason they fight on the movies is because one allied with the Empire and one with the Republic.  If we both fight for the Empire, where's the problem?
 
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October 17, 2001 6:12:49 PM    View the profile of Raziel 
Lol argon now i know you're not religious. I think you have pretty much the same view on religion as me Cosmic seriously...no offence to your dad, but he seems to have some very ignorant views.
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October 17, 2001 7:59:19 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
On the contrary, no he is not ignorant.  Is it so hard to see that he's doing it for my protection? I mean, I know I'm old enough to make my own choices, but he's just a little more cautious than most default parents.
 
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October 17, 2001 10:42:23 PM    View the profile of Darkhawk 
Whew. This is a pretty rough debate going on here. I know I'm relatively new to the Empire, but I thought I'd throw in my two cents as well. Where did someone all of a sudden come to the conclusion that Empire = Evil ? Not everyone in the Empire, in the New Order, was evil. Just because Palpatine was an evil madman does not mean every Imperial soldier was dark and menacing. Look at Admiral Piett, for instance. Did he seem sadistic? Or look to the books. Grand Admiral Thrawn was not necessilary evil. Pter Thanas was a really good guy. And I've always thought that Pelleaon is one of the most noble characters in the Star Wars Universe. Come on, guys. Lighten up on the whole Dark Jedi thing. Who says that the Empire has to have Dark Jedi, Sith, and Krath running around? Couldn't this New Order, although not exactly a peaceful Utopia, be run simply by Jedi? Albeit, Jedi who don't mind using their powers in whatever way necessary . . . All of the Empire was not about evil. Look at Darth Vader, in the end. That's what the whole damned story is about - how good wins out over bad in the end. If you continue to hold on to old traditions by keeping the DJO so secret, culty, and dark, you are going to scare away a lot of people. And you are going to lose a lot of new members. I think the Fallen Angel's have a very nice idea. The only problem is that you don't want every squad and squadron in VE to have their own little contingent of Jedi running around. I don't know what to ask you to do. But the Vast Empire is growing. And growth demands change. Please ... let's be an Athens, not a Sparta. Follow the majority will and at least look into what they are saying. Take some time out to listen to your fellow members ... and respect their views. That is all I have to say about that. Goodnight, all. -Darkhawk-
 
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October 17, 2001 11:23:28 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
I think the Empire has just found it's new sadistic person.... /me scratches his head
 
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October 18, 2001 5:31:47 AM    View the profile of Master 
Im starting to really like this topic, so ill add a few more cents to it. The Dark Side is evil, the Empire isnt. Many Imperial's served because it was something they belived in, Grand Admiral Thrawn for example, i serve the Empire becuase of that reason, also cause they have cooler ships but thats not the point. The Dark Side Jedi and Light Side Jedi may not work totally together, but there is nothing wrong with two parts to the VE's Jedi Group. Understanding is the key Im not going to go out there and kill lots of Innocent people just cause i serve the Empire, also i am not going to go out there and kill as many Dark Jedi as i can find just cause i serve the Light. A Light Jedi uses his Saber and fights only as a last resort. In all the fics i wrote, i dont go hunting for Dark Jedi, they usually attack me. I will not serve the Dark Side just to keep my saber, take it and ill just make another one, take that and ill steal it back. If there was a Light Side VE Jedi group, then i would join it.
 
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October 18, 2001 9:47:12 AM    View the profile of Bear 
*Bear opens his mouth to say something, looks confused, and closes it again*
 
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October 18, 2001 5:31:56 PM    View the profile of Cosmic 
Having an "undestanding" between Light and Dark wouldn't not make any difference in the VE about the Dark and Light Jedi Orders.  Having them both would totally disregard about what this club is all about.  We are Imperial, and true, we are not "evil", but we do things not Totally "Light".  We search for Rule and Power.  We want Control.  The Empire may not be very evil, but there is a difference between the Imperials and Rebels.  The Rebels are pure lighties, the Imperials have Power, and want it, therefore we will always be a little dark.
 
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October 20, 2001 4:43:52 PM    View the profile of Argon Viper 
I think both Darkhawk and Master(and Raz) bring up some very good points.  And Cos, the Jedi do have power, look at Yoda and Obi and Luke, there isn't a singler person alive that has no dark in them, or they wouldn't be alive    The difference between a lightee and a darkee is which way they lean, not which side they are on.  I would consider Thrawn a lightee, he worked for conquest so that he could restore the galaxy to peace and prosperity, same with Palleon.  As you know, they had a lot of dark in them, but they leaned toward the light.  They can and do work together, balancing each other to keep boredom out of our lives.  If you don't see this, I'd like to ask Master and DH to clarify this for me, I can't go any further...
 
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October 20, 2001 9:48:51 PM    View the profile of Japer 
Like we all said, its just a word of a small group. Besides, its just a game.   ----------------------- GV/ SG Japer/Sith/Dark Knight 1-2 Cabal/ Eagle Sect/VEDJ SXO/CPT/Japer/1SQD/1PLT/1/1COM/1BAT/1RGT/VEA/VE/IOC/LoC/CM /BS/ES 2nd Class Pilot/LCW Emon/Viper 1-4/Wing I/m/SSD Atrus/VEN/VE
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October 21, 2001 1:31:12 AM    View the profile of Master 
I agree with everything Viper said.
 
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October 21, 2001 12:40:12 AM    View the profile of Exar Kun 
You may think I am evil. I am not. I am efficient. I serve my Master and the glorius Sith Tradition. We are no less powerful for being hidden. We grow in the darkness. We gain strength from it. -Darth Maul- As you can see, in his first paragraph of his first entry, of his Journal Lord Maul clearly puts into place his veiw of the Force. The Sith seek power, and control, and order. That is our ultimate goal. The Jedi seek peace, and serinity. What is their goal? Peace, no matter how nobal the goal, is impossible to reach, without ORDER! Now, I am a Christian, and I have a deep intrest in the philosophes of hindu, and buddahism. I in no way consider myself an 'evil' person. Witch is exactly the reason I am in the Vast Empire. The best actors, and preforms know that in order to play your best role you must play an oppisite role to what you are in real life. Hence I am (in my own eyes at least) a 'good' person. So I play an 'Evil' person in the Vast Empire. The Krath, and the Sith of the Vast Empire are not evil, and if you noticed, dark Jedi Masters have both light and dark powers. We study both sides, both arts. The word 'Dark' is who we are, we cannot change that - that would be changeing everything about star wars. Either you are on the light side, or the dark side. We are no less powerful for being hidden. We grow in the darkness. We gain strength from it.
 
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