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  Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 9:28:59 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Keeping the theme of some VE wide open discussion on various topics I thought I'd bring up chapter 9.

Now most of you will never have seen a VE wide chapter, but basically we used to constantly push forward the VE story line in big VE wide campaigns called chapters.


Something I'd be interested in is some cross divisional work. It was touched upon in Doc's IOC 2.0, but with the isolated nature of the campaign it never really came off. We could for example:

Have a convoy of troop carriers of some kind with army members at the guns and navy members escorting.

A squad of army troopers led into battle by a DJK with the aim of killing a Jedi of the NJO (big maybe there)

The DJO hasn't flexed any piloting muscles for a looong time. We could have a few DJO navy members in specific fighters joining in with a navy squadron.


Anyways don't just keep to the topic I've started with and don't be afraid to voice your thoughts!
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 9:52:55 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
Starting your post "Dear Fury, for this summer I'd like:" is optional
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 12:01:44 AM    View the profile of Atrasin 
most imperial campaigns consisted of several regiments of stormies and their gear being ferried/escorted to the locale by the navy. the navy would then bombard the surface/gain space/air superiority and the landings would begin. 

i, for one, would like to see more co-operation and co-ordination on those lines. the imperial war machine was one unstoppable force when it wanted to be, individually the services had their flaws, together they were mighty.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 12:13:03 AM    View the profile of Fury 
That's how we used to do it. Or at least, use the Corps' meager assets to breach defenses long enough to do a drop, pull out those ships and let the Navy soundly beat the enemy to a pulp, providing support as needed.

It would be nice to get this back into play and I hope to play at least some of the missions with this in mind.

I've got a long list of missions for the chapter. We don't have to get to all of them. It just depends on the reaction and likes of the members once we get started. We'll adjust accordingly but nice to get a gauge on what you'd like to see.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 12:17:39 AM    View the profile of Valthir 
Raziel wrote:A squad of army troopers led into battle by a DJK with the aim of killing a Jedi of the NJO (big maybe there)

Bam. That is my wish. I'd also like to see DJO members in general participating in battles. I know only DJKs and up are fit to lead, but some of us in the lower ranks could at least fight.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 12:22:11 AM    View the profile of Atrasin 
now, would DJK in open stories lead to them becoming more generally known? it is/will be 11ABY and Skywalker and the Jedi ARE known.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 12:42:29 AM    View the profile of Raziel 
The NJO are in fact going to be further along than in the books. Given the lack of reborn emporer the praxeum was founded earlier and several Jedi Masters from the old days came out of hiding quicker.

It is possible that because of this the DJO will have a more public face in character. This is something that will be decided at some point in the next few months, but Jedi may get to appear on the field in armor and protecting The Empire. No promises though.

Obviously we're not going to come out and say "Hi guys, we're the really evil Jedi"
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 12:48:12 AM    View the profile of Decembrist 
Dear Fury, for this summer I'd like:

Chapter 9.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 12:59:44 AM    View the profile of Atrasin 
ok...now, not looking for definitive answers at this moment, just opening a line of speculation.

would the DJO have an equivalent STC/VEN rank or would they just be automatically in command. if that's the case, does that not lead to a potential for rising hostility tween them and the officer corps?

if it's the equivalent rank case, how do we resolve the issues for those that are now of higher rank, but not DJO?

...just some food for thought
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 1:04:31 PM    View the profile of Valthir 
Atrasin wrote:would they just be automatically in command.

No.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 1:09:02 PM    View the profile of Fury 
The simple answer is to treat them as advisors.

You could argue the Clone Wars went on longer than they did because someone arbitrarily became a General because they could use the Force.

Didn't make sense to me then and makes even worse sense now with the galaxy spending decades learning to hate Force users.

I mean, hell, there's gonna be blowback with Imperials realizing we even have Force users on the payroll.

So, a couple problems. Are the Force users second to authority, kind of like alternate squad/squadron leaders? Will they have their own units and be like shock troops in a pinch? Will they be - imperfect example - kind of like old Soviet commissars with no defined role but with significant veto power over orders?

All are plausible options. And all could be used. No need to limit ourselves here. Play around with them.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 1:12:06 PM    View the profile of Atrasin 
personally, i'd love to see them used much like the Emperor's Hand's.
when something needs done, or there's a situation that requires 'special abilities' they'd be sent in, sort of a living special weapon.

that being said, they'd be under the command of the senior officer on the field and would obey them, to a point. what that point would be could be left to the DJO to decide.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 1:20:22 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Dear Fury, for this summer I want what Decembrist is getting: Chapter 9!

In short, the overall thing I most want to see has already been voiced: more mission-stories involving multiple divisions working together.

Taking that line of thought to an extreme, it might be fun for characters of one division to find themselves having to "do the job" members in their sister division usually do.  Examples could include pilots shot down and picked up by trooper squads, and forced to fight their way back to the line on the ground, or troopers "along for the ride" when a Navy ship gets crippled, who must help out with damage control, or act as the "hands" for an injured Navy crewer... there are plenty of dramatic scenarios which would let members really interact, cooperate, and bond with folks from the "other" divisions.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 1:29:50 PM    View the profile of Fury 
Trykon, that would - to a certain extent - be entirely in your hands. I just have some objectives that need met. If you want to go about them a certain way with the approval of all involved, have at it.

I like the idea though. As we go forward, if that looks like something that would be a fun plot twist here and there, of course we'll inject them.

Initially, you could of course be a pilot that gets shot down and rolls with a squad for awhile. Or a troop transport that goes full Marine with a shuttle team or runs counter-battery support for a vessel. I think all these things have been tackled before, though, as Raziel said, not recently.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 2:09:54 PM    View the profile of Atrasin 
here's something idk has ever been addressed...

for all intents and purposes the VE is a military dictatorship. we are an Empire w/o an Emperor.

that being said, have we ever contemplated opening a POLITICAL line of the narrative. the throne may be empty, but Kad could appoint a Regent, or take the title himself. we'd have a PM or Grand Vizir, a rump Imperial Senate, Planetary/Sector Moffs that are not military alligned, etc.

could make for a very, very robust writing environment.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 2:23:46 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
The story potential is rather nice, but I'd probably prefer that active-duty characters be ineligible to run for office or hold political positions... besides being implausible IC, there seems to me to be potential for political debates spilling over into meta-level argument between club members OOC.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 2:28:20 PM    View the profile of Drac 
Methinks there's plenty of politics already without inventing fictional ones.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure that would work out well. I think we'd find that it would drift off into inactivity after a bit, much like the various incarnations of VENI.

As an NPC function of the plot, on the other hand, it might be quite useful. Perhaps even a good platform for Fury to run things from within the story itself.

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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 2:34:07 PM    View the profile of Raziel 
I will say that when there have been DJO/other division cross overs before it has gone badly. Some immature behaviour and god modding from some DJO members and some people getting petty about their regular characters.

IF it happens, it would require some good ooc dialogue and for people to use in character tensions as a plot device and NOT as an excuse for a fight in real life.

IF it happens the DJO will probably present itself publically as Imperial Knights dedicated to defending the Empire. The reality is obviously different, they are far more self serving and almost always have ulerior motives.


The official line has always been that DJO members cannot order members of other divisions on or out of character. We'd need to put together some guidelines before we started each scenario. Small commando squads being led by dark jedi behind enemy lines could be fun.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 2:49:24 PM    View the profile of Fury 
Well Driver, that's kind of the point. Only long term.

We don't hold anything anyone would want to rally around. Yet.

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May 24, 2011 2:53:36 PM    View the profile of Drac 
Fury wrote:We don't hold anything anyone would want to rally around. Yet.


I hate you. Sir.

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May 24, 2011 2:55:08 PM    View the profile of Atrasin 
you know...your hate sustains him.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 3:23:11 PM    View the profile of Decembrist 
Perhaps this thought has been lost on our inactivity...

The Osk Company?
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 3:53:30 PM    View the profile of Fury 
They are certainly not lost in the planning.

I just need to hear from their side of the galaxy on their readiness.
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 5:38:04 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
We're pretty much dormant without Snipes, but as soon as that crazy bastard gets back I suppose he'll kick us all in the ass.
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May 24, 2011 6:41:32 PM    View the profile of Kami 
I'm going to second Dec. I just want Chapter 9. I don't really care what form it's in

There may be some issues including Osk though...particularly now that most of its active members are in the DJO. We can't be in two places at once.
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May 24, 2011 7:57:32 PM    View the profile of Jegora 
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 8:01:46 PM    View the profile of Valthir 
Noooo. You'll shoot your eye out
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 8:19:07 PM    View the profile of Bacredi 
Quote:that being said, have we ever contemplated opening a POLITICAL line of the narrative. the throne may be empty, but Kad could appoint a Regent, or take the title himself. we'd have a PM or Grand Vizir, a rump Imperial Senate, Planetary/Sector Moffs that are not military alligned, etc.

Ohmygod yes
Captain-"ish"
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 8:32:03 PM    View the profile of Valthir 
Are you even active?
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  RE: Chapter 9 Wish List
May 24, 2011 9:03:30 PM    View the profile of Fury 
He messages me about stuff.

Does that count?
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