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Trykon
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  RE: Naval Wiki Topic
May 17, 2013 7:00:22 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
No, see how Task Force is listed BEFORE Fleet?  That introduces ambiguity.  "Task Force Aurek" exists in both First AND Second Fleet, as does Task Force Besh.  So unless Second Fleet is listed first, the reader is left in suspense (for a grand total of 0.3 seconds, perhaps, but still) as to which Task Force Aurek is meant.
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May 17, 2013 7:05:32 AM    View the profile of Gurlanin 
But the same could be said for everything in that list, in that case. Most noticably: Flight


Flight:   
Cresh Flight - But there are loads of Cresh Flights! Which one does he belong to?

Also, how it's done at moment, is in order of seniority. If you were to do it for geological, for example, you would do:

My House
My street
My town
My county
My country
My continent
My planet
My solar system
My galaxy
My universe

So, I think I see where you're coming from, and no disrespect intended, but you're wrong.
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May 17, 2013 7:14:03 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
Look at the edit to my post a few posts ago: I'm not wrong or ignorant, I'm just asking for all of them to be inverted. 

So, to use your (unintentionally condescending) example, my preferred order would be:

Universe
Galaxy
Solar System
Planet
Continent
Country
State
County
City/Town
Neighborhood
Block
Street Address

Lol.  It's totally okay if you prefer the opposite (pre-existing) order.  It's been that way for a long time, and nothing bad has come out of it.    I was just excited, to finally have some measure of control over the template (through your amazing skillz). 
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May 17, 2013 7:19:20 AM    View the profile of Gurlanin 
Oh I seeeee. I didn't see the edit. I thought you just wanted task force and fleet inverted. I was all: you crazy.

Personally I like the current one. Makes more sense, in my opinion. I could create a new one the inverts it, but I'm leaving now, so maybe later.

And apologies for being condescending.
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  RE: Naval Wiki Topic
May 17, 2013 7:21:55 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
No worries.  Initially I was like: where's this attitude suddenly coming from, but then I realized you'd likely just missed my edit.  So no problem. 

And yeah, we can leave the order as is.  I really appreciate the adjustments! 
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  RE: Naval Wiki Topic
May 17, 2013 8:24:44 AM    View the profile of Gurlanin 
Yay! Internet on the bus!

And no worries about the adjustments. It's actually really simple, once you know what you're doing.
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May 17, 2013 8:42:20 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
That's been the way of most wiki stuff, yeah.  But for whatever reason, the learning curve on templates has been too brutal.  Hehe.  At any rate, for now, in my period of prolonged ineptitude surrounding such things, I thank thee. 
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May 17, 2013 9:19:06 AM    View the profile of Gurlanin 
Like I said: no worries.

I'm sure studying Forensic Computing helps, however. Maybe I should add 'tech guru' to my ID line ..
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May 17, 2013 9:59:56 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
Hehe.  Perhaps, oh guru, you can figure out what's wrong with the VE Membership Time Calculator?  It was very cool, the first three months I was in the VE.  Then I think we updated the wiki, and the template totally broke.  Now, it isn't so much cool, as it is... broken. 
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May 17, 2013 8:57:54 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Behold, a new and improved VEN Main Page: http://www.vastempire.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy
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May 17, 2013 9:21:31 PM    View the profile of Avalar 
Holy crap, Tryk. You are making things easier. What is this madness?
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May 17, 2013 9:28:19 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Like I've been saying, I've been planning a lot of development work for a long time.  I just haven't had the time to really implement much of it, what with leading Counterpunch.  Now that there's a little breathing room, I'm trying to roll out as many of the upgrades as possible, before Chapter 9 starts. 
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May 18, 2013 4:40:58 PM    View the profile of TosthAaaiser 
Trick, been taking a look at the coding for the VE Membership Time Calculator... There's some major logical gaps written in that code. Unnecessary Boolean operators, etc.

I'll take a look over it the next few days, at the very least cleaning it up aesthetically. The code itself isn't too complex. Just might take a bit to write out logically and cohesively.
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May 19, 2013 5:00:51 AM    View the profile of Trykon 
Yeah, take your time.  That's another thing that's been broken for a long time; it'll keep a few more days. 

Just happy to have somebody around who's able to make heads or tails of it. 
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July 12, 2013 9:06:37 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
Have you had a chance to look at the calculator any more?  Still not a priority; just curious. 
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July 12, 2013 10:24:22 PM    View the profile of TosthAaaiser 
Oops. Completely forgot about this one; looks like I need to hammer out some logic and code in the future.
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July 16, 2013 4:32:16 PM    View the profile of TosthAaaiser 
Trick, the problem with the calculator seems to be internal; for it to work for individual users, there needs to be what is essentially a user input variable. But, as far as I know, wiki coding does not allow for that, meaning that the variable can only be defined within the code itself. Which means it will never work within wiki coding.

There may be ways to code variables in wiki that I don't know, but I personally thing the best way to handle this is to either drop it or draft up a java/html applet, which might work. I doubt it, though.

So essentially what I'm saying is that the reason the calculator doesn't seem to work is because of internal wiki coding not allowing for dynamic variables such as this, due to the fact that they have to be immediately referenced. I've spent the last few days playing around with every possible modification I could think of, even pulling in different languages, but to no avail.
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July 16, 2013 4:37:09 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
I appreciate you taking a look, but for the record, it used to work.    It worked for maybe the first six months I was here, and then we switched to a new version of the wiki software, and the calculator broke.  No worries, though.  While neat, it's nowhere near necessary.
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July 16, 2013 4:46:09 PM    View the profile of TosthAaaiser 
Yeah. I'm not entirely sure why it broke; there's a few places where I should be able to change the code to make it work, but it doesn't want to accept the changes.

But yeah. I think most of us keep track of our length of service by other methods anyway. And people do that well enough, with service ribbons and such. I've thought those work better than the calculator anyway, especially for those of us who do disappear for a while and eventually find our way back.

I'm just gonna leave this particular one alone. I've scoured the internet as well, for anything on using variables in wiki coding. But nothing relevant seems to exist.
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July 16, 2013 7:03:09 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
/me nods.  Consider the issue closed. 
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July 17, 2013 5:27:09 PM    View the profile of Serpent 
I have a problem with the wiki and thought I'd post it here for some insight.  It seems like I can't go past 35 Medals on my wiki page awards list, which is odd.

Could someone have a glance at the coding on my page (link below in my ID line) and just check that I haven't missed anything?  I've had a play about, but for some reason entry 36 (which is my recently acquired Long Service Medal) won't show up.  It does show if I change the entry numbers from 36 to 35, but then obviously that overwrites the 35th award (2 Year Naval Service).

Maybe the wiki is only set up with a 35 award cap (which would be weird). I hope not, so I'm hoping that if someone looks at it with a fresh eye they can tell me what I've done wrong.

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July 17, 2013 5:30:56 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
You've outpaced the very structural limitations of the wiki!!! 

If the table does have a limit of 35, we should see about increasing that a bit.  Fishhead, do you have any ideas?
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July 17, 2013 5:36:57 PM    View the profile of TosthAaaiser 
Yep. It's actually very simple. In the ribbon table template, we just need to add more entries. The last one in the should be 35. I can expand it out to, say, 50, for now.

Give me a bit of time to find the template and enter everything; should be updated sometime tomorrow.
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July 17, 2013 5:37:53 PM    View the profile of Trykon 
It really is wonderful to have a wiki genius in residence. 

Also, Serpent: you may want to separate your skill/Cert achievement markers from your medals/awards table.  It'll free up space, and organize things a little more categorically.
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July 18, 2013 2:34:01 AM    View the profile of Serpent 
Good idea Trick!  And Fishhead, thanks so much for your help in this!

Don't worry, your excellent work will be recognised!

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July 18, 2013 8:59:26 AM    View the profile of TosthAaaiser 
It is done.

And Serpent, the other template Trick was talking about is the Naval Exams template, linked right here. It's very similar to the Awards template.
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July 18, 2013 10:01:49 AM    View the profile of TosthAaaiser 
I've got a favor to ask you guys in the Starfighter Corps.

One of my projects for the wiki I'm currently drawing up includes a revamp of the categorization of the squadron pages, and possibly a bit of clean-up work. As some of you might know, the main link off of the main Naval wiki page to the Starfighter Corps page is sadly blank. I'm planning on rectifying this in the coming weeks.

So what I need from you guys is just to look over the following list and make sure everything looks alright. Some of the squadrons/wings are possibly a bit too old for our current members to know anything about, but I'd like to be as accurate as possible in logging our current and former squadrons. Again, I found all of the squadrons and wings scattered across the wiki. I'm not too sure if I found them all.
  • Blade Wing
    • Jexxel Squadron
    • Strill Squadron
    • Krakana Squadron
    • Gundark Squadron
    • Vornskr Squardon
    • Chlovi Cat (a special note here: I was looking through individual squadron pages and found that Dunny attempted to have one last attempt at vengeance(?). He deleted all of the content on the page, but I can very, very easily get the previous version back. Although, I'm not sure I have that authority to do so.)
  • Javelin Wing
    • Razor Squadron
    • Tuk'ata Squadron
    • Veractyl Squadron
    • Elix Squadron (does not have a wiki page)
    • Blackguard Squadron
    • Bha'lir Squadron (does not have a wiki page)
  • Phoenix Wing
    • Nazgul Squadron
    • Reaper Squadron
    • Polaris Squadron
    • Blizzard Squadron
    • Aegis Squadron
  • Non-Wing Squadrons
    • Rhegent's Reign
    • Nightshrike
    • Alpha
    • Kaph
    • Sentinel
    • Vengeance
    • Venom
    • Raptor (Training Squadron)

So, again, if you could take some time and help me out with checking to see if there are any squadrons I missed, that would be great. I've got rough estimates on dates of each squadron.

There is one other thing I would ask, if anyone is willing to help me here. There is an inconsistency with which squadrons are currently active and inactive. I would like to figure out the case in each squadron/wing and work on normalizing the inactive pages. By which I mean, simply, standardize the way in which pages are retired, in text and in formatting. More on this later.

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July 18, 2013 11:08:52 AM    View the profile of DeepSix 
In regards to Chlovi - my personal opinion on the matter is to leave it like this. Let it slowly be forgotten and generally put behind us all. Besides, Dunny could've erased all his pages and contributions throughout the wiki - not in a permanent manner granted but still... From what I can see at a first glance he chose only Chlovi however so out of a twisted sense of respect for the good things he had done throughout his career (and there were a few to be honest) I would prefer that decision be taken into account. Again this is my personal opinion on the matter.

In regards to the old (ex: Javelin pages) and ancient (Phoenix pages) wikis... truth be told I'm not really sure who would be interested in looking over those. The ancient ones have a minimalistic amount of information on them and the old ones no longer really concern anyone from the present. Less so from the future... I wouldn't mind some standard INACTIVE or CLOSED or REMOVED or whatever sign appearing in large letters at the start of the pace but other than that I don't know if anyone would really be interested in proceeding to read after seeing said sign. Just my 2 cents on the matter.

In regards to your inquiry - there are currently 7 active squadrons that are officially recognized. Talking about the 6 in Blade Wing and Raptor which is used for training. Some of the other ones, unless explicitly stated otherwise, may at times still be referred to IC as partaking in action but they'd just be regular NPCs in this capacity.

Now if you were referring to which squadrons are open to the PCs and which are made out only of NPCs however... Then the answer would be Raptor, Jexxel, Strill are currently available to the public, with everything else consisting entirely of NPCs.
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July 18, 2013 12:27:24 AM    View the profile of Rocketman 
Kaph Squadron would be apart of Phoenix Wing also Viper Squadron would also be apart of Phoenix Wing unless they got moved to another wing witch I am not aware of right now.
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July 18, 2013 1:40:42 PM    View the profile of Avalar 
http://vastempire.com/wiki/Viper_Squadron

Viper was Phoenix. It ran alongside Nazgul so not sure if it would have been moved.

And it makes sense he would have deleted it. Dunny didn't even want us touching his baby to help it move forward. And Deep, Chlovi is being used as an NPC squadron by Maroy. She's already written about them once.

EDIT: Also Fishhead Rhegent's Reign and Regents are the same squadron. She just got renamed at one point. Now when that point is not sure, but looking through edit histories may or may not answer that question.
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